Off-Topic Things TERFs have improved?

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I have to say tho, the past decade has been quite interesting:

Around the Gamergate era, despite being a religious right-winger, I found myself agreeing with Youtube skeptics and atheists on a lot of things, at least in regards to social justice warriors and feminists who complained about first world problems, more specifically video games or other media they don't even consume, much less understand. As in, it seemed like even those skeptics and liberals understood that those feminists and wokists were just as bad, if not worse, than the christian moral guardians that they criticized in the previous decade.

And now, despite still being a right-wing reactionary, I still find myself agreeing with people who would otherwise be my political opponents, or people I'd simply find annoying. This time, it's feminists I'm agreeing with. The same ideology that was everyone's favorite punching back during the first half of the 2010s.

Dear God, I really hope there isn't something in the 2030s that's batshit crazy enough that we'd side with the troons against it. Honestly, there can't possibly be anything that fucking horrible.

 

[GenderCop]

I guarantee you if the pendulum ever swings, TERFs will want the same exact shit back that caused trannies to happen in the first place.

what "caused trannies to happen in the 1st place"?

How are feminists responsible for trannies?

Honest question, I don't get it.
I've seen this stated several times in this thread, so thought I'd ask.

I understand believing that the gay rights movement is responsible (my nominee!) but trannies had push-back from feminists from the beginning.
Gays loved all of this until very recently, when they suddenly had to deal with pooners demanding sex from them, as the lesbians have had already for years.

The first books and articles critical of this abomination came from feminists, the famous one "Transsexual empire" by Janis Raymond, clocked the huge profits, also mentioned trannies could be routinely expected to invade women's teams, toilets, scholarships... the future foretold in that book.
Everybody thought she was exaggerating & alarmist.
Of course its now lots worse than she ever thought it be.

I see feminists as the ones who warned us, not the ones causing it.
Omnipresent pride flags pushed down our throats did that.
And still no goddamn end to it.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

Not necessarily. Zoe Quinn trooned out. Justin "Riley" Dennis was a pretty big player on certain feminist blogs. I've never heard Anita Sarkeesian say anything bad about transgenderism.

JK Rowling, as dumb as she could be on numerous occasions, was never quite as bad as most feminists, even at that time. Most feminists back in 2015 were sucking troon dick pretty hard. Not to say that many feminists at that time didn't eventually come to their senses and realize that transgenderism posed a direct threat to their rights, even moreso than their hated enemies during the Gamergate era.

I will agree with you that even TERFs were responsible for creating the monster that would turn into gender ideology tho.

Those self-same feminists who were sucking troon dick became the TERFs of today when troons were given unfettered access to their bathrooms, change rooms, and sports teams.
It was very easy for feminists to side with trannies because feminists also side with fags, and if they didn't side with trannies too they'd be "bad allies" in the fight against "cis normative heteropatriarchal something something something idk"

If trannies didn't get politically enfranchised there'd be no TERFs now because they don't actually care about trannies existing, they're just mad because dickless dudes are getting the exact amount of equality and representation and tolerance as fags, women, and niggers.

 

[Special spoonie]

what "caused trannies to happen in the 1st place"?

How are feminists responsible for trannies?

Honest question, I don't get it.
I've seen this stated several times in this thread, so thought I'd ask.

I understand believing that the gay rights movement is responsible (my nominee!) but trannies had push-back from feminists from the beginning.
Gays loved all of this until very recently, when they suddenly had to deal with pooners demanding sex from them, as the lesbians have had already for years.

The first books and articles critical of this abomination came from feminists, the famous one "Transsexual empire" by Janis Raymond, clocked the huge profits, also mentioned trannies could be routinely expected to invade women's teams, toilets, scholarships... the future foretold in that book.
Everybody thought she was exaggerating & alarmist.
Of course its now lots worse than she ever thought it be.

I see feminists as the ones who warned us, not the ones causing it.
Omnipresent pride flags pushed down our throats did that.
And still no goddamn end to it.

Faggots have been pushing this for ages and are the bigger handmaidens when compared with women. Most of the troons start out with some sissy fetish before progressing out of the bedroom.

Women and terfs have been fighting in the trenches against this for the longest. A good example of this is outrage from normie men when Dylan Mulvaney dared too ruin their precious Bud Light. None of them cared about this before because it didn’t effect them. Yes it was more effective, because people listen to men more. Men didn’t care when it was only effecting our toilets and changing rooms. A pooner doesn’t dare terrorise a man too much. Although it’s on the rise.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

they're just mad because dickless dudes are getting the exact amount of equality and representation and tolerance as fags, women, and niggers.

The fact you laughed about women getting raped by trannies in prison shows this is a fake and dishonest argument. You know damn well theres more argument than that.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/terf-vs-tra-fatigue.182305/post-17669250

 

[DumbDude43]

what "caused trannies to happen in the 1st place"?

How are feminists responsible for trannies?

who else has been the driving force behind the gradual erosion of the boundaries between the sexes that took place over the past century in virtually all parts of society and aspects of life?
without that foundation being created by feminism in the first place, tranny shit has no legs to stand on, has zero hope of achieving anything close to the mainstream acceptance and normalisation it is now experiencing.

(sure if you want to be particularly autistic you can argue shit like "actually it was the jews, feminists were merely their pawns" but that doesn't change a whole lot)

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

who else has been the driving force behind the gradual erosion of the boundaries between the sexes that took place over the past century in virtually all parts of society and aspects of life?
without that foundation being created by feminism in the first place, tranny shit has no legs to stand on, has zero hope of achieving anything close to the mainstream acceptance and normalisation it is now experiencing.

(sure if you want to be particularly autistic you can argue shit like "actually it was the jews, feminists were merely their pawns" but that doesn't change a whole lot)

A lot of things that feminists fought for played right into the hands of their capitalist/patriarchal enemies:

Women in the workforce, as if there's anything liberating about becoming a wage slave like your husband, also giving employers more incentive to not pay men more so they can support their homemaker wives. Because you know, the latter is being a lazy bitch and needs to contribute to the company's profits.

Or abortion, as if male rapists or other such pigs don't have much more to gain from aborting their kids.

Or the fact that feminists failed to stop the tendency within their own ranks to be pro-porn, pro-prostitution, pro-hookup culture, pro-topfreedom, or pro-tranny.

https://archive.md/dybU9

We can appreciate the fact that TERFs do make a good case for being anti-tranny from a leftist point of view. We can appreciate that they (not incorrectly) point out that transgenderism negatively affects women in ways that most men can only understand on a surface level.

But they're still wrong on a lot of things, and they shouldn't be surprised by the fact that the gender critical movement only got off the ground thanks to the involvement of men, teenage boys posting SuperStraight memes, conservatives like Matt Walsh, etc.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

The fact you laughed about women getting raped by trannies in prison shows this is a fake and dishonest argument. You know damn well theres more argument than that.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/terf-vs-tra-fatigue.182305/post-17669250

It is funny when inclusive politics comes back to bite the people voting for it in the ass, or in this case, dick them in the pussy.
"You're not allowed to laugh at that!!!"
But I am.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

It is funny when inclusive politics comes back to bite the people voting for it in the ass

annnnnd.....What if the woman raped DIDN'T vote for that?

 

[Neko GF]

Harry Potter. Genuinely would have zero interest in it if wasn't form the constant troon seething over JK's mild TERF rhetoric is the most entertaining thing about that series.

 

[GenderCop]

who else has been the driving force behind the gradual erosion of the boundaries between the sexes that took place over the past century in virtually all parts of society and aspects of life?
without that foundation being created by feminism in the first place, tranny shit has no legs to stand on, has zero hope of achieving anything close to the mainstream acceptance and normalisation it is now experiencing.

(sure if you want to be particularly autistic you can argue shit like "actually it was the jews, feminists were merely their pawns" but that doesn't change a whole lot)

I'm southern, so my autism is more like: if these heathens hadn't left the Church, none of this would have happened. (Repent!)

Human reproduction unmoored from family, tradition and clan, invited in the disaster. Some theologians (the late JPII) wondered if feminism might have been a RESULT of increasing family breakdown instead of the cause, since it was well under way by the 50s.
and speaking of the 50s, men benefited a LOT from the sexual revolution, my crazy great-uncle (RIP) went on famous hilarious tangents about not getting any in the 50s.
no available (for civilians) porn until Playboy published in 1953. The belief of "no difference between the sexes" applied to Playboy lifestyle & meant women were as lusty as men, so no reason for hesitation or guilt over rogue behavior. Fuck as many of them as you like, they enjoy it as much as you do, they like variety as much as you do. this lie was beneficial to men.

No reason for women to feel guilt for leaving children in daycare and going to work, since women are "just like men" emotionally--men financially benefited from that lie too. Women didn't run roughshod over men. In every instance (such as abortion) men also directly benefited in some way or it would not have been as popular & widespread.
Gay rights benefited lots more men than women, including many powerful & rich Jews (whoops you told me not to go there sorry) persons of international influence, suddenly permitted to live openly and contribute to shady causes quite openly.
(see: Jon Stryker, Pritzker,etc)
No lesbians seem to have this kind of money.

If its true what you say, then men are also responsible in our own way for being led by the ring in our noses.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

annnnnd.....What if the woman raped DIDN'T vote for that?

Why would a decent woman be in prison in the first place?

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Why would a decent woman be in prison in the first place?

False accusation, killing a rapist (especially in self defense hating places) hate speech against trannies, being a political target, killing someone trying to hurt her kids, or, and you will love this one, following her husbands directions that violate law (assuming shes an extremely loyal type).
Take your pick faggot. Thats not even an exhaustive list, so just fucking answer what you'd think if a decent women (assuming you think this exists) got raped in prison. Because theres reasons even your absolute fantasy woman COULD go to jail.
Or are you just going to admit you think no woman is decent, and you think all women should be raped? The honesty would be refreshing.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Why would a decent woman be in prison in the first place?

How’s about a woman going to jail for shoplifting some groceries or buying drugs doesn’t mean she deserves to be raped by troons? You’re clearly just trying to get a reaction but come on.

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@GenderCop said most of what I have to say about the feminism and troons question.

It’s true that feminism has had a lot of deleterious consequences, but with anything there are tradeoffs. What the trads always want to ignore is women in poverty unable to support themselves and their children after their husbands leave them. Which yes, still happened even back when there was more pressure on men to be decent. Or the huge amount of babies filling up orphanages (see: baby scoop era) when it wasn’t acceptable to have a baby out of wedlock. I could go on. Women weren’t even allowed to have credit cards without their husband’s permissions until 1970’s.

It’s also true that much of the ill effects we are living with are the result of technological innovation (namely: the pill) rather than feminism per se. (Which is actually kind of an own to the feminists.)

To be clear I have catholic sympathies and really don’t want to defend every aspect of feminism, but there’s always trade offs that I think ppl ignore.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

False accusation, killing a rapist (especially in self defense hating places) hate speech against trannies, being a political target, killing someone trying to hurt her kids, or, and you will love this one, following her husbands directions that violate law (assuming shes an extremely loyal type).
Take your pick faggot. Thats not even an exhaustive list, so just fucking answer what you'd think if a decent women (assuming you think this exists) got raped in prison. Because theres reasons even your absolute fantasy woman COULD go to jail.
Or are you just going to admit you think no woman is decent, and you think all women should be raped? The honesty would be refreshing.

Why are you trying to derail this thread with your autistic whataboutisms

How’s about a woman going to jail for shoplifting some groceries or buying drugs doesn’t mean she deserves to be raped by troons?

I didn't say she deserves to get raped by a tranny, I just said it was funny.

You’re clearly just trying to get a reaction but come on.

I mean... it's working though.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Why are you trying to derail this thread with your autistic whataboutisms

I would break my own legs if I dodged a question this hard.

I didn't say she deserves to get raped by a tranny, I just said it was funny.

But what about the women in prison getting raped, okay so don't be a criminal.

Sure fucking sounds like you thought she deserved it. And again, whys it funny for a decent woman to be raped? Does the shoplifter deserve rape?
Don't give me shit about "whataboutism" when you derail, triple post and have a pink triangle.
Just be honest, in a weird way, I'd probably have a SLIVER more respect for you if you just admitted from the start you think all women deserve rape, at least then its honest from the start, because this weasel like dodging of the question is just pathetic. its WORSE than the feminists I hate, because as awful as they are, THEY AREN'T IN FUCKING DENIAL, they own what they think.. Nobody buys your shit, everyone already thinks what they think of you, you are like a child covered in mud tracked from the front door to their room INSISTING they didn't play in the mud. It just comes to now, are you going to remain in denial, express even the slightest backtracking by saying "ok, this 1 hypothetical girl is a victim", or just own your beliefs and say you think rape is fine. Which is it?
You ALREADY have a pink triangle, and people think you are a fag, what would it hurt answering honestly?

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

I would break my own legs if I dodged a question this hard.


Sure fucking sounds like you thought she deserved it. And again, whys it funny for a decent woman to be raped? Does the shoplifter deserve rape?
Don't give me shit about "whataboutism" when you derail, triple post and have a pink triangle.
Just be honest, in a weird way, I'd probably have a SLIVER more respect for you if you just admitted from the start you think all women deserve rape, at least then its honest from the start, because this weasel like dodging of the question is just pathetic. its WORSE than the feminists I hate, because as awful as they are, THEY AREN'T IN FUCKING DENIAL, they own what they think.. Nobody buys your shit, everyone already thinks what they think of you, you are like a child covered in mud tracked from the front door to their room INSISTING they didn't play in the mud. It just comes to now, are you going to remain in denial, express even the slightest backtracking by saying "ok, this 1 hypothetical girl is a victim", or just own your beliefs and say you think rape is fine. Which is it?
You ALREADY have a pink triangle, and people think you are a fag, what would it hurt answering honestly?

Thanks for the new copypasta.

 

[KriegmanFan]

Somewhat peaking normies

 

[i just hate them]

Not necessarily. Zoe Quinn trooned out. Justin "Riley" Dennis was a pretty big player on certain feminist blogs. I've never heard Anita Sarkeesian say anything bad about transgenderism.

JK Rowling, as dumb as she could be on numerous occasions, was never quite as bad as most feminists, even at that time. Most feminists back in 2015 were sucking troon dick pretty hard. Not to say that many feminists at that time didn't eventually come to their senses and realize that transgenderism posed a direct threat to their rights, even moreso than their hated enemies during the Gamergate era.

I will agree with you that even TERFs were responsible for creating the monster that would turn into gender ideology tho.

I suppose the main takeaway I wanted to come across was that TERFs are never really going to be on 'our' side. You can agree with them, but if you're a man they fundamentally despise you; you need only look at the double-standard they espouse when it comes to trooners and pooners. Trooners are malevolent rapist-men who go on the hunt to rape as many women as possible, and the hate is directed at the fact they're men, not the fact they're troons, mostly. Pooners are sweet, innocent victims who were lead astray by the evil trooners and are just poor, sweet victims who have no accountability for their actions.
They still hate men, it's just at this current juncture they hate a particular group of men more than the rest of us.

 

[Johnny Salami]

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