Off-Topic Things TERFs have improved?

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I used to follow a lot of swedish radical feminist discussions like 20 years ago (the swedes were woke as fuck before it became cool), and one of the worst things I read were mothers talking about feeding their toddler sons some testosterone supressant (can't remeber what it was, seemed very diy) so little Sven 3,5y would develop healthier interests than superheroes and guns and other toxic little boy interests. Gender is biological, that means you can mess with it chemically, exactly like troons.
My point is that their misandry is always bigger than their situational transphobia and they tend to be too radical to be constructive.
 
How are feminists responsible for trannies?
By getting exactly what they asked for. Once you take history into account and start seeing people for what they really are, it's impossible to see feminists and trannies as anything but two sides of the same medal.

Hence why the tard fight between TERFs and trannies can be summarised as "Your delusional makebelief bullshit is in the way of my delusional makebelief bullshit."
 
TERFs are the perfect foil for trannies and every time a tranny engages with them, they expose how silly the whole situation is. I remember reading about a protest were a bunch of older women were protesting something along the lines of "Sex is real". Then a bunch of masked men comes in and try to use violence and be intimidating. Women demonstrating for the existence of women, being attacked by men who fight for their "right" to be women. Says all you need to know about the situation.
 
been said many a dozen times, but: pointing out the fetishization of women and, more specifically, women's sexually attractive parts (to male insticts) by MALES. a whole lotta feminists are guilty for the degeneration of society (making women feel like massive victims because a man once asked them what time it was, unironically letting men repurpose their mysoginy into a "nicer" form, promoting shameless prostitution via sexual liberation, etc.) but you gotta hand it to them with the trannies. they really know how to put into words the depravity and debauchery of the near-rapey (or just downright) AGP troonies.

they still can't attack the HSTS's properly, tho. they don't understand that some men reaaally love men and will even get pamela anderson-looking titties if it gets them rawdogged by a daddy who'll block them on grindr afterwards.
 
I think it's pretty funny that within a few short years, the default Kiwi position on porn shifted from "eh, it's fine as long as you aren't doing it to excess" to "EVERYONE THAT'S WATCHED ANY HENTAI IS A GOONCLOWN WAITING TO HAPPEN. TOTAL PORNOGRAPHER DEATH." And no one even noticed they were slowly moving towards the TERF/radfem position. I'd be willing to bet a good half of the male members here fell into the culture war thanks to feminist harpies refusing to leave their shit alone during the Gamergate days and would probably have a visceral reaction if I showed them a clip of Anita Sarkeesian, yet they're now carrying water for those self-same feminists.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but TERFS are absolutely not your friend because they came around trannies way, way too late. She may not support trannies, but she supported everything that brought us trannies. Erosion of gender segregated spaces, erosion of a concept of gender at all, destruction of the nuclear family, demanding the government legislate vague concepts like diversity and equity, and so on. They want to snap their fingers and make the most pernicious problem to them personally vanish, and they want to do it absent any analysis of how their worldview inevitably leaves the door wide open for this kind of fuckery. They don't realize that if they don't address the holes in their philosophy, they'll just have another set of grifters at their door the very day after TTD. They want to keep telling the entire world that women deserve every institutional and social advantage there is simply for existing, then make the shocked pikachu face when a man puts on a dress, claims to be a woman, and beats them at their own game of Gender Calvinball.
 
And here's another thought: There is a reasonably good chance that feminists adopting anti-gender-ideology views holds the potential for conversations across the aisle. During the 2010s, skeptics and religious rightists could find some common ground, maybe long enough for them to hear each other out on stuff they still disagree on and stop the idiotic slapfighting.

Same thing with TERFs, conservatives, and GamerGate supporters. I've had at least one Gen-X TERF admit to me that maybe conservatives had some good points the whole time. And here's a point that is often missed: the same people who supported GamerGate were also the same people who were genuinely upset over Zoe Quinn screwing over the Fine Young Capitalists, a TERF group that promoted women game developers.
 
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And here's another thought: There is a reasonably good chance that feminists adopting anti-gender-ideology views holds the potential for conversations across the aisle. During the 2010s, skeptics and religious rightists could find some common ground, maybe long enough for them to hear each other out on stuff they still disagree on and stop the idiotic slapfighting.

Same thing with TERFs. I've had at least one Gen-X TERF admit to me that maybe conservatives had some good points the whole time. And here's a point that is often missed: the same people who supported GamerGate were also the same people who were genuinely upset over Zoe Quinn screwing over the Fine Young Capitalists, a TERF group that promoted women game developers.
Wouldn't label myself a TERF, though I've been called that as a warning for wrong think, but I fit your theory.
 
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How are feminists responsible for trannies?

Take single-sex spaces (I'll refer to the UK, don't know about the USA). It used to be that you could run, for example, a male-only snooker club and it would be essentially legal. Nowadays, that's essentially outlawed unless you apply for certain exceptions. This is because of evolving legislation over the years culminating in the Equality Act 2010. This piece of legislation is the result of decades of feminist activism. So remember to thank feminists every time a group of women have to engage in some rhetorical gymnastics to justify excluding trannies from their spaces! Used to be that you could just tell trannies to fuck off from women's spaces and they had no legal recourse, because you had that level of freedom of association by default until feminists agitated to have it taken away from everybody.

Another area where feminists have caused absolute carnage and devastation is academia. Feminists infamously were quite antithetical towards empirical knowledge production in academia during the "Science Wars" of the 80's and 90's. Falsification and objectivity were attacked for being oppressive phallocentric masculine constructs that devalued feminine "other ways of knowing". They weren't the only ones who did this but they were enthusiastic participants. But now a lot of LGB-dropetheT rhetoric in couched in terms of facts, logic and evidence. Concepts which feminists, again, did much of the work of attacking in the past. Feminists weaponized postmodernism and now that sort of post-truth politics has been turned against them.

Similar to the above point, lots of postmodern drivel was written back in the day (and still is https://bit.ly/3gUMedS) about how all sorts of words and concepts were offensive to women for very esoteric reasons. Such as the word "history" being problematic because it implies that history is masculine, etc (they started talking about "herstory" instead). This sort of symbolic word-policing is the same sort of behaviour as trans people obsessively complaining if an innocuous document fails to acknowledge their existence.

So trannies saying something like, "some women have penises, so your guide on women's health is offensive because it only mentions vaginas", is the same behaviour as declaring that the word history is offensive because it (allegedly) implies history is about men and not women. In the modern day it also seems like pooners are even bigger menace than MtF trannies when it comes to word policing. It's mostly pooners trying to remove the word 'woman' from existence and replace it with bleeder, etc. Pooners are true and direct inheritors of feminism here.

A good example of an old school feminist hypocrite is Julie Bindel. Bindel is regarded as based by gender crit feminists but she described herself for a long time as a "political lesbian". Essentially that she became a lesbian by choice even though she is, presumably, naturally heterosexual. This is essentially laying the foundations for so-called transbian claims later down the road. The whole genital preferences arguments goes out the window here. If Bindel can meme herself into homosexuality by hating men enough, then MTF trannies can do the same right? Why can't they be "politically" lesbian too? It's smashing cisheteropatriarchy!

And the concept of patriarchy, as it has been used in practice by many feminists, often appears to be a conspiracy theory. The notion that men are all in on a devious and hateful plot to oppress women for the fun of it, rather than women's oppression having been the historical product of material forces (including biological differences). The intemperate and intolerant behaviour of the transgenderists towards gender critical women is easily matched by the rhetoric of the likes of the late Dworkin towards men in general. The idea that men everywhere are hatefully murderous towards women was and is such a popular stance among radfems and correlates to the inflated trans-genocide rhetoric of trannies.

Dworkin was a celebrated and adored female incel. The original Supreme Gentlemen but with a vagina. It's baffling to me that at least some heterosexual women seem remotely interested in the opinions of fat ugly lesbians regarding hetererosexual relationships. I don't ask gay men for advice about women.
 
Dworkin was a celebrated and adored female incel.
A lot of that was for PR, her relationship with John Stoltenberg went on for several decades. I think they eventually married?

Robin Morgan was also married to same man for decades. A lot of these radical women secretly had husbands or boyfriends.

It was like they were worried their fans might disapprove.
 
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