Thoughts on Mormonism?

[urr13 account]

All the mormons I've met IRL have been nice and attractive people. I'm sure there are mean or ugly ones out there but not that I've ever seen IRL.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I'm more of a racialist than a Christian so in that sense the Mormons have a lot that's appealing to a guy like me. Sure they do outreach to all the monkeys but they've got a surplus of blonde daughters to give you so you breed more loyal followers. The religion may be nutty as hell but I like the idea that once you're a Mormon you can go anywhere there's Mormons and you won't be out of place. They offer organization and a slutty hot breeder wife. That's powerful stuff.

I don't want to talk to them until I'm a more attractive candidate though. If I show up right now they'll try to fob one of the ugly daughters on me. Not happening. My price for conversion is a hot blonde no older than 26.

If you're a racialist then you'll be disappointed. Mormonism nowadays places a huge emphasis on converting Latinos - they're an especially receptive population of converts - and their missionaries often marry foreign women as a result of that.

The thing about minority ingroup stuff is something I subconsciously felt as one (except I didn't really fit in with them either). having done some reading on it, converts to non-majority religions tend to be people who feel on the outs with society, there's definitely a thing there of liking the idea of being one. I had a professor who experimented with Jehovah's Witnesses who had that thinking. But I don't know how well it really works. Unlike people like Sikhs and Jews they may be very eager on converting people, but becoming a coreligionist doesn't make you part of that culture, just like how an Ethiopian Jew sticks out badly in Israel. And their organization is unamerican and hella gay.

Since you said slutty, I do really like that Mormonism is (forgive the SJW talk) sex-positive. Of course they're Abrahamic about their rules, but the religion actually explicitly teaches that pleasure/emotional intimacy is one of the reasons sex exists. It's completely the opposite of the fucked up, wretched fun-hating attitude of Catholicism and, I assume, Orthodoxy.

I can buy god living on planet called kollab and giving planets to the other high ranking elders before I'll believe whatever it is Scientology believes about zenu and alien wars and tiny microbes in our bodies that can be measured by stress tests.


Joseph Smith had the better religion, L Ron Hubbard shoulda stuck with writing science fiction novels.

As much as I hate to admit it there's no difference between the two, if Joseph Smith lived nowadays he'd be writing space opera and if Hubbard lived in the 1800s he'd have been shooting it out with the Federal cavalry.

I don't think it's a coincidence Orson Scott Card (maybe one of the most famous Mormon authors?) writes science fiction.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

If you're a racialist then you'll be disappointed.

Where isn't that the case? In the long run the Mormons will learn the same lessons as all other Whites and give up on teaching the heathens to read, write, and wear fancy underwear. I think the number of splinter churches is telling. There's obviously benefits to joining that people don't want to give up but at the same time they want their good old American independence. At some point there will be a great schism. A polygamist LDS offshoot based around racial purity is easy to picture. The American Hitler will be a Mormon? Not as crazy as you think!

they may be very eager on converting people, but becoming a coreligionist doesn't make you part of that culture, just like how an Ethiopian Jew sticks out badly in Israel. And their organization is unamerican and hella gay.

The few regular churches I've been to since moving to a red area seemed just as hard to "break into" as someone who didn't grow up Christian. And there wasn't really a way to "throw yourself in" like there would be with the Mormons. I want a church that makes some demands of its members so you know people are serious about it. I figure if I'm enthusiastic enough I'll be accepted.

Since you said slutty, I do really like that Mormonism is (forgive the SJW talk) sex-positive. Of course they're Abrahamic about their rules, but the religion actually explicitly teaches that pleasure/emotional intimacy is one of the reasons sex exists. It's completely the opposite of the fucked up, wretched fun-hating attitude of Catholicism and, I assume, Orthodoxy.

/r/exmormon/ makes it sound the opposite but of course it's reddit autismos.

Spoiler: One weird blowjob that will lead you to your wife. Mormons don't want you to know this!

Almost 19 years ago I had a sexual encounter on my mission and I realize now it was the best thing that ever happened to me.​

Long story short, I got sent home a year into my mission because I had a consensual sexual encounter on my mission.
For the longest time I believed that it was the most shameful moment of my life.
Now I look back and I realize it was the best thing that could’ve happened to me.
First, that blowie ensured that I didn’t give one more minute of my life to that organization.
And secondly, coming home early allowed me to meet a girl who agreed to go on a date with the “guy who came home early”. We were both Mormon kids who were “damaged” and we found each other and got married.
If I had stayed on my mission, our paths would likely never have crossed and we never would’ve found each other.
Years later, we found our way out of the cult, us and our 4 children. We are more in love than ever. And it’s all thanks to a blowjob in Brazil.
Edit: the point of the post was not to brag about the sexual encounter but to illustrate how things I was told would ruin my life (I.e. the sexual encounter and getting sent home early from my mission) directly resulted in meeting and marrying my wife.

I don't think it's a coincidence Orson Scott Card (maybe one of the most famous Mormon authors?) writes science fiction.

Brandon Sanderson is a mega popular fantasy writer and is Mormon as well. Though you can really tell with Card since it's in his weird sci-fi ideas and focus on family. Sanderson has weird magic systems but no focus on family. But he didn't get married until his 30s so maybe he's not a good Mormon.

Card's daughter is cute. Would sniff her temple garments.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Where isn't that the case? In the long run the Mormons will learn the same lessons as all other Whites and give up on teaching the heathens to read, write, and wear fancy underwear. I think the number of splinter churches is telling. There's obviously benefits to joining that people don't want to give up but at the same time they want their good old American independence. At some point there will be a great schism. A polygamist LDS offshoot based around racial purity is easy to picture. The American Hitler will be a Mormon? Not as crazy as you think!

The few regular churches I've been to since moving to a red area seemed just as hard to "break into" as someone who didn't grow up Christian. And there wasn't really a way to "throw yourself in" like there would be with the Mormons. I want a church that makes some demands of its members so you know people are serious about it. I figure if I'm enthusiastic enough I'll be accepted.

/r/exmormon/ makes it sound the opposite but of course it's reddit autismos.

Spoiler: One weird blowjob that will lead you to your wife. Mormons don't want you to know this!

Almost 19 years ago I had a sexual encounter on my mission and I realize now it was the best thing that ever happened to me.​

Long story short, I got sent home a year into my mission because I had a consensual sexual encounter on my mission.
For the longest time I believed that it was the most shameful moment of my life.
Now I look back and I realize it was the best thing that could’ve happened to me.
First, that blowie ensured that I didn’t give one more minute of my life to that organization.
And secondly, coming home early allowed me to meet a girl who agreed to go on a date with the “guy who came home early”. We were both Mormon kids who were “damaged” and we found each other and got married.
If I had stayed on my mission, our paths would likely never have crossed and we never would’ve found each other.
Years later, we found our way out of the cult, us and our 4 children. We are more in love than ever. And it’s all thanks to a blowjob in Brazil.
Edit: the point of the post was not to brag about the sexual encounter but to illustrate how things I was told would ruin my life (I.e. the sexual encounter and getting sent home early from my mission) directly resulted in meeting and marrying my wife.

Brandon Sanderson is a mega popular fantasy writer and is Mormon as well. Though you can really tell with Card since it's in his weird sci-fi ideas and focus on family. Sanderson has weird magic systems but no focus on family. But he didn't get married until his 30s so maybe he's not a good Mormon.

Card's daughter is cute. Would sniff her temple garments.

Well, I wasn't raised in the Church - I barely spent any time with them at all, really, though it made a long term impression, probably because it set the foundation of all my further exploration of religion/spirituality - so I can't really speak to how they think, just what I've read of it. I don't remember if the Church has any teachings about what kinds of sex you're supposed to have, and of course it's all purely monogamous heterosexual married sex, but I think it says a ton just that they have an idea of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother making humans who will have sex in Heaven and make more children. Normalfag Christians go spastic at the idea even though it really makes perfect sense. What is the basic purpose of all life? To make more life. Is it not natural that it would be the nature of gods to reproduce, to make more worlds, spread themselves? And you've got branches of Christianity that do glorify fertility without lust (Catholicism does), but what's messed up with them is that they act like the lust is a corruption of the purely utilitarian fertility function.

In fact, Mormonism celebrates life in general, although it's harsh in its dietary restrictions. It doesn't view the physical world as some corrupt filthy thing that we're supposed to be amazed at God making yet also scorn because the real world is some hazy feeling that you'll be stuck in like an endless dream. The Mormon world is fully physical and physicality is a thing to revel in. In combination with other things, it is easily the most positive, optimistic religion that I know of.


Oh, and churches can be hard to find. I've had a problem in my life that I haven't found a religion yet I'm really fully sold on (I was on Mormonism, but the roots of that faith didn't run deep) and I also get this thing where when I've been in a congregation long enough, I start getting way more social anxiety about going than when I first start. I think it's one of those things, like a lot in life, where being invited into a place by a friend is a lot more reliable than wandering in from the street.

 

[Catler]

I like them. Their beliefs aren't really any weirder than other religions and they do legitimate good in my community which is more than I can say for most churches. The members here are all the exact type of person you'd want as your neighbour.

There are very few mormons where I live though and I've been told they're very different from "utah mormons". I don't know how true that is though.

I do feel bad for the kids on missions, that has got to be really tough at that age and people are so needlessly cruel to them.

 

[millais]

How did the 19th century Mormons trick all those English to cross the ocean and join them at the ass end of the American continent? Come to think of it, Branch Davidians also successfully recruited English from across the ocean.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

What is the basic purpose of all life? To make more life. Is it not natural that it would be the nature of gods to reproduce, to make more worlds, spread themselves?

Yeah when I first heard about Mormons I thought the doctrine sounded pretty sensible then I looked into Joseph Smith and thought "well I guess anything can be sensible if you just make up a story". But I didn't want religion back then and now I do.

How did the 19th century Mormons trick all those English to cross the ocean and join them at the ass end of the American continent? Come to think of it, Branch Davidians also successfully recruited English from across the ocean.

I don't know how historically accurate it is other than broad strokes, but Orson Scott Card's novel Saints has that as the first 1/3rd of the book. Basically England was a fucking shitty place to live in the mid 19th century and America was still a wide-open land of promise. If charismatic young men came from America giving you promises of cheap land, no more factories, and a vibrant religious community, you'd probably join up to get out of living in a Dickens novel.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

How did the 19th century Mormons trick all those English to cross the ocean and join them at the ass end of the American continent? Come to think of it, Branch Davidians also successfully recruited English from across the ocean.

Mormons largely come out of New England WASP (ethnic Yankee) culture, so closely connected to the original English. Interestingly, a huge chunk of Mormon background is Scandinavian, and in the part of the Great Lakes were New Englanders primarily settled, so did Scandinavians. There seems to be something about Scandinavians and English that attracts them to each other, possibly that Protestant work ethic, communitarian crap? In contrast to the wildness of Celts. But whatever the case, Utah is basically English, Scandinavians, and New English who are just English several generations removed. Don't know if anybody's found a connection between Mormons and a specific part of England.

Part of me wonders if English and Scandinavians didn't convert in large numbers because they were straight up more gullible than other nationalities. Scandinavians, especially Swedes, seem outright retarded.

Yeah when I first heard about Mormons I thought the doctrine sounded pretty sensible then I looked into Joseph Smith and thought "well I guess anything can be sensible if you just make up a story". But I didn't want religion back then and now I do.

I don't know how historically accurate it is other than broad strokes, but Orson Scott Card's novel Saints has that as the first 1/3rd of the book. Basically England was a fucking shitty place to live in the mid 19th century and America was still a wide-open land of promise. If charismatic young men came from America giving you promises of cheap land, no more factories, and a vibrant religious community, you'd probably join up to get out of living in a Dickens novel.

Do you think there may have been a lack of organized religious communities in England, compared to Germany, to account for that? German-Americans were really good about showing up with wealth and then moving straight into the interior to settle around other Germans in little enclaves. English may have been more socially alienated.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Just want to point out the LDS gave us the masterpiece Napoleon Dynamite