Times when you have felt genuinely sorry for Chris

[FightenGnome]

Yeah, fair point. I like shorter guys and I don't care about weight. I guess it's because I'm against superficiality as to why I never factored his looks, but I guess it's fair to say that it's mainly his psychological problems. I mean, Chris is autistic. He could find another autistic girl, felt like it wouldve been easier.

To be honest finding an autistic girl is probably more difficult since it's more prevalent in males than females and autistic girls are generally more likely to be shut-ins because whilst they may have an interest in having a boyfriend, they would feel the interaction to be too socially demanding whereas autistic men like Chris might feel some societal or parental pressure like they're not a real man for not having a girlfriend and see putting the effort in as having the added effect of status.

I don't know if it's like how it was in the 1990s if girls are pressured by their peers to have boyfriends as a status symbol, but I am pretty sure parents of an autistic girl would probably prefer her to be a bit of a shut in out of fear of her getting taken advantage of, whereas an autistic boy's parents wouldn't have that same fear and would see him getting involved in a relationship as a sign that he's "improving".

And like Hogar said, Chris wouldn't want to go out with someone who had autism because he felt like they were drooling retards even though he himself was one. Now that didn't mean he wouldn't be interested in a girl who wasn't labelled as autistic, but by all other accounts is, I think that Chris just didn't really come across a lot of women like that in his day to day life.

I don't really go to comic conventions, and maybe my interests are generally more masculine oriented anyway, but the last time in my entire life I met a girl who was autistic was when I was in high school many years ago. I wouldn't even know how Chris would really stumble into one let alone focus exclusively on autistic girls.

 

[323758]

Early in Christory, I felt bad for him. When it was just about him and his terrible Sonic recolors, it was basically just people fucking with a retarted person, especially with the whole BlueSpike thing...that was fucked up. His ego, his narcisism, his inability to learn from his mistakes, and antics such as trying to run down Michael Snyder and harassing Doopie Doover all eroded my sympathy for him. After raping his mother, the tiny shred of sympathy I had for him went out the window.

 

[The Ugly One]

I've always felt sorry for Chris, because the only way people with the kinds of significant, obvious neurological development issues he has can have some semblance of a functioning life is for everything to go basically the opposite of his life, starting with his parents deciding to let the TV raise him. He needed to have fairly consistent, adult supervision, and definitely never allowed anywhere near the internet unattended. He doesn't have Down's; he has some vague "your mom was old, and nothing quite went right from conception to the development of your limbic system and maturation of your frontal cortex" retardation, which isn't really a single thing to diagnose.

And yes, retards do horrific things all the time, sexual and otherwise, because their entire decision-making capacity doesn't work right, going all the way down to their ability to form morals. Chris is in no way unique here. This is why they can't ever be let alone.

 

[Chazzed Up]

I don't really go to comic conventions, and maybe my interests are generally more masculine oriented anyway, but the last time in my entire life I met a girl who was autistic was when I was in high school many years ago. I wouldn't even know how Chris would really stumble into one let alone focus exclusively on autistic girls.

Autistic people of both genders are all over the place in online fandom. He would have the best shot at some kind of niche (versus more mainstream Comic-con stuff) conventions like pony or anime or something like that - even more socially reserved people who are not autistic might be present there. The problem is he's pretty unpalatable even by autism standards. His poor hygiene for example is not something I've seen reflected in that many reasonably functional autistic people I've known IRL. Chris would not be interested in an autistic girl in his peak Love Quest years since he seemed to wholesale consider all autistic people other than himself to be the "slow in the minds" despite him actually being a lot less functional than many others. Nowadays I'd guess it might be possible that he would have lower standards, but he is so wrapped up in his delusions that nobody would work out with him in the longterm, just a hook-up presumably, but other than that Fiona girl I'm not sure who wants to hook up with a morbidly obese, smelly tranny, with or without the autism.

In any case it is really pointless to speculate on Chris having a real relationship because he would never be able to maintain it. He's too self-absorbed to be anything but a burden to a partner, and since he's not attractive or having money or anything else that might override having a shit personality, I can't see it having ever worked out. He gets easily bored of people anyway when they can no longer be of use to him. Again, low IQ sociopath.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Early 2010, I probably would have said something like
"Of course he's fucked, look at what we've done"
Now though, no. It's pretty clear Chris has had this as a sleeved back-card for a while. Fuck him.

 

[Coach Kreeton Of All That]

LMFAO Hard to feel bad for a guy with no remorse constantly finding new ways to fuck up and pump out new ways make anyone laugh cringe or horrified.

 

[Kirby]

when bluespike made chris shove his medallion up his ass

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

in the frogbrian comic, on the part where it renacts the house fire and Chris is trapped under the hoard, but then Bob's spirit encourages him to get up and save his mother, and he summons the tard strength to defeat the hoard, genuinely made me feel bad for him, but then the motherfucker saga happened and now we know it wasn't Bob's spirit that gave him the strength to move the hoard, but his desire for Barbussy

 

[FightenGnome]

Autistic people of both genders are all over the place in online fandom. He would have the best shot at some kind of niche (versus more mainstream Comic-con stuff) conventions like pony or anime or something like that - even more socially reserved people who are not autistic might be present there.

In any case it is really pointless to speculate on Chris having a real relationship because he would never be able to maintain it. He's too self-absorbed to be anything but a burden to a partner, and since he's not attractive or having money or anything else that might override having a shit personality, I can't see it having ever worked out. He gets easily bored of people anyway when they can no longer be of use to him. Again, low IQ sociopath.

Okay, yes I agree on everything but the idea that Chris should have "gone for autistic girls" in the past. In the 00s, it would have been more difficult to find actual girls online let alone autistic girls back in those days than now depending on the year. The closer you get to 2010 the easier it would be. If you told me in 2005 that I had 24 hours to find an autistic woman or I die, I wouldn't have a clue where to start outside of maybe a group care home.

The internet was a very different place back during the Classic Chris era. Saying Chris should just find an autistic online gf back in 2004 instead of doing his attraction sign is like telling him to use Tinder strategies from the 2010s to meet women. Unless you were actually in a niche hobby and knew autistic women in that hobby to begin with, it wouldn't even cross your mind and the male to female ratio on the internet was really skewed until social media began to take off.

The problem I have whenever someone gives dating advice, it's always told from the perspective of what would work for you right now and not what would work for the person receiving it now or in the past. It's well intentioned, but it's so individually tailored and built off of experience. The PUA community in the 00s all but collapsed because it wasn't something that could be taught. To be fair, I wouldn't even know what to say if I went back in time to 2004 to give dating advice to Chris, I'd have ideas sure, but they'd probably all fail because it would work for me but it wouldn't work for Chris.

I also find it funny that Comic-Con is mainstream in your opinion , I always assumed that it was the gathering of the nerds and geeks but I guess I'm an old normie now for that opinion. All this rambling about the 00s back in my day is making this gnome feel old. I'm going to leave it now.

 

[Clueless Cuckster]

Watching that video of him as a kid after he won that competition after he went to jail got to me. Modern day Chris is probably where he belongs but seeing him as an innocent child and wondering how things would have turned out with the right help and no internet did make me feel a tinge of guilt.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Yeah, fair point. I like shorter guys and I don't care about weight. I guess it's because I'm against superficiality as to why I never factored his looks, but I guess it's fair to say that it's mainly his psychological problems. I mean, Chris is autistic. He could find another autistic girl, felt like it wouldve been easier.

The difference is that the autistic girl equivalent of Chris has more people willing to date her, at least temporarily. A 20-30 something woman with the same crappy appearance, behavior, and personality as 20-30 something Chris could easily find someone better than Chris.

The tables don't turn until ages get into the 40's and 50's. Honestly, if Chris had socialized more, he probably could have found some lonely 60 year old woman willing to put out for him. This is why Null found Chris' coded message about fucking Barb not alarming -- because it was totally plausible that Chris had found some desperate older woman.

The problem is he's pretty unpalatable even by autism standards. His poor hygiene for example is not something I've seen reflected in that many reasonably functional autistic people I've known IRL.

ILJ has hygiene that makes Chris seem like Mr. Clean, but she has more objectively-better-than-Chris suitors chasing her on any given day than Chris has ever had. Even if Chris had proper hygiene, it wouldn't work.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Okay, yes I agree on everything but the idea that Chris should have "gone for autistic girls" in the past. In the 00s, it would have been more difficult to find actual girls online let alone autistic girls back in those days than now depending on the year. The closer you get to 2010 the easier it would be. If you told me in 2005 that I had 24 hours to find an autistic woman or I die, I wouldn't have a clue where to start outside of maybe a group care home.

The internet was a very different place back during the Classic Chris era. Saying Chris should just find an autistic online gf back in 2004 instead of doing his attraction sign is like telling him to use Tinder strategies from the 2010s to meet women. Unless you were actually in a niche hobby and knew autistic women in that hobby to begin with, it wouldn't even cross your mind and the male to female ratio on the internet was really skewed until social media began to take off.

The problem I have whenever someone gives dating advice, it's always told from the perspective of what would work for you right now and not what would work for the person receiving it now or in the past. It's well intentioned, but it's so individually tailored and built off of experience. The PUA community in the 00s all but collapsed because it wasn't something that could be taught. To be fair, I wouldn't even know what to say if I went back in time to 2004 to give dating advice to Chris, I'd have ideas sure, but they'd probably all fail because it would work for me but it wouldn't work for Chris.

I also find it funny that Comic-Con is mainstream in your opinion , I always assumed that it was the gathering of the nerds and geeks but I guess I'm an old normie now for that opinion. All this rambling about the 00s back in my day is making this gnome feel old. I'm going to leave it now.

I'm not suggesting he should have done it in the past or that it would have succeeded, rather I am just talking theoretically about what his results might have been. I was still in school in the mid 2000s and socially awkward nerdy friends, female weebs especially, were always going to cons, so I don't think that was unrealistic to Chris's situation then since he is even worse off now and manages to attend cons. Chris also made little attempt to pursue spaces online, which did exist on places like fan sites and forums, where people more like him might be; many fandoms were largely dominated by girls in the 00s, I met tons of friends that way. He ONLY was willing to have people "come to him" on the basis of Sonichu fame.

I don't think it would have been substantially different with him and an autistic girl. He billed himself as looking for a life partner and by any stretch even men wouldn't want a wife like Chris let alone the reverse where nonfunctional Chris would've needed to provide for his wife and future Crystal. You might be trying to speculate on his situation without considering how he isn't just "not the 1% of chads", he has personality problems (probably disorders) that have ended basically every one of his relationships both IRL and online over time because nobody can be around him for any length of time.

As for Comic-con, yeah it is definitely more openly mainstream in my experience than like a niche regional anime convention or pony cons, multiple people at my work go and they are all fairly normal nerds rather than turbo weebs or autists.

The difference is that the autistic girl equivalent of Chris has more people willing to date her, at least temporarily. A 20-30 something woman with the same crappy appearance, behavior, and personality as 20-30 something Chris could easily find someone better than Chris.

The tables don't turn until ages get into the 40's and 50's. Honestly, if Chris had socialized more, he probably could have found some lonely 60 year old woman willing to put out for him. This is why Null found Chris' coded message about fucking Barb not alarming -- because it was totally plausible that Chris had found some desperate older woman.

An extremely shut-in autistic girl would probably struggle at least somewhat similarly to Chris. I have run into a few like that. Problem is they weren't obsessively chasing sex and admiration like Chris seemed to be. He had a ridiculous outlook with his "sweetheart from the ground up" attitude where he claimed to want to start as friends and proceed with normal courtship, but expected sex and a lifelong commitment by like the first date. His problems with dating were not at all limited to "just" autism, some of his expectations were probably affected by it, but again I have known quite a few similarly impaired autistic people of both genders and they both comprehended social expectations quite a bit better than Chris, but also lacked the extremeness of his self-centered view and his quickness to get bored with people who don't adore them constantly, i.e. a narcissist.

ILJ has hygiene that makes Chris seem like Mr. Clean, but she has more objectively-better-than-Chris suitors chasing her on any given day than Chris has ever had.

Well, if the furry community is any indication, gross people who are reasonably social within a degenerate group can find partners. That to me seemed to be the case with Bella simps. Those types of relationships are probably not ones that work out in the longterm though as sharing a fetish doesn't really predict a long successful relationship into old age. In any case, it wouldn't have fixed Chris's problems which are certainly heavier in personality than just hygiene or looks (plenty of fat guys have girlfriends/wives if their personality is attractive). But it certainly affects how likely people IRL would be to approach him, greatly inhibiting the odds of having a social network that could lead to girls similar to him. His mannerisms didn't help. There's a human psychology reason why "normal" people tend to avoid weird kids at school and that carries into adulthood.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

He had a ridiculous outlook with his "sweetheart from the ground up" attitude where he claimed to want to start as friends and proceed with normal courtship, but expected sex and a lifelong commitment by like the first date.

To be fair, pre-degenerate Chris didn't expect sex until the third date, and didn't expect lifelong commitment either, only that the other person share the goal of lifelong commitment. He didn't expect to marry someone on the first date, but he at least expected marriage as being the whole point of dating. It was actually sort of wholesome in a twisted way. His autism had him lay out a specific roadmap for how the process would work, but the goals were not unreasonable, and would have been considered sensible 50 years prior.

Well, if the furry community is any indication, gross people who are reasonably social within a degenerate group can find partners. That to me seemed to be the case with Bella simps.

Furries overwhelmingly self-report as male, and of the females, a large percentage are MtF transgender. The majority of the male cohort self-report as bisexual, with another quarter or so self-reporting as exclusively gay males.. i.e. the furry community is a sausagefest where the sausages are going into the poop chute. A person like Chris would have extreme difficulty finding a non-trans female partner in the furry community, as they have "the pick of the litter", pun entirely intended.

Basically the majority of men in the furry community would like to fuck a woman, but more than half of them are willing to fuck other men or a troon instead because that is what is available. This draws a huge number of gay men into the community to meet that need. The furry community is a great place to find a sex partner, but if you are a man wanting a non-troon woman, you will be facing incredibly stiff competition.

 

[Duke Nukem]

ILJ has hygiene that makes Chris seem like Mr. Clean, but she has more objectively-better-than-Chris suitors chasing her on any given day than Chris has ever had. Even if Chris had proper hygiene, it wouldn't work.

ILJ has guys actually interested in having sex with her? Simps really are ruining the marketplace.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

ILJ has guys actually interested in having sex with her? Simps really are ruining the marketplace.

The chess club was basically Bella and guys who wanted to fuck her.

 

[Chazzed Up]

To be fair, pre-degenerate Chris didn't expect sex until the third date, and didn't expect lifelong commitment either, only that the other person share the goal of lifelong commitment. He didn't expect to marry someone on the first date, but he at least expected marriage as being the whole point of dating. It was actually sort of wholesome in a twisted way. His autism had him lay out a specific roadmap for how the process would work, but the goals were not unreasonable, and would have been considered sensible 50 years prior.

Chris expected sex in the timeline that is used in media, because his combination of being autistic and being selfish pretty much made him oblivious to the variables that might affect what timeline all that happens in. And Chris has said numerous times explicitly that his goal in a relationship is for someone to give him his idealized daughter. He hasn't really ever shown that he considered at all what the needs and dynamics of being married would be. This is shown very clearly in the Kacey father call when they press him on those details. He wanted to be a house husband basically, relying on his wife to presumably make the sole income and probably do much of the child-rearing and housework as well considering Chris has shown neither the interest nor ability to keep a house. Chris's entire plan for a relationship future solely catered to continuing the life he had of doing nothing of value as he did while under his parents care, except add sex into the equation. 50 years ago this would have been even more ludicrously unrealistic for a man.

Furries overwhelmingly self-report as male, and of the females, a large percentage are MtF transgender. The majority of the male cohort self-report as bisexual, with another quarter or so self-reporting as exclusively gay males.. i.e. the furry community is a sausagefest where the sausages are going into the poop chute. A person like Chris would have extreme difficulty finding a non-trans female partner in the furry community, as they have "the pick of the litter", pun entirely intended.

Basically the majority of men in the furry community would like to fuck a woman, but more than half of them are willing to fuck other men or a troon instead because that is what is available. This draws a huge number of gay men into the community to meet that need. The furry community is a great place to find a sex partner, but if you are a man wanting a non-troon woman, you will be facing incredibly stiff competition.

I was addressing the overall desirability of a partner like Bella in mainstream dating versus going into a niche degenerate or otherwise more socially deviant community. A smelly sociopath girl may have great odds with people as disturbed or more disturbed than she is, but I don't expect she could have good expectations with the majority of men who won't be into deviants. I'm not saying Chris has that same opportunity for hooking up with those types of girls, just that I think Chris's expectations did not align with what he could offer. Likewise I think Bella would have a hard time attracting a rich doctor. If Chris had shown willingness to socialize with and potentially date other retards he might have had better odds. There were a lot of socially weird girls on places like dA who met boyfriends through there in the mid 00s, but again like I said Chris made Sonichu such an integral part of his online presence that it is unlikely women were going to seek him out. Let us not forget that Chris's expecation was that women would approach and court him, not the reverse, so with his undesirable traits already present, that cut his odds even further.

That part is actually something Chris shares with another infamous autism-narcissism combo, Elliot Rodger. He too expected women to approach and court him, and never once mentioned in his manifesto what he could offer a woman. He thought his presence alone was a gift much like Chris views himself in an increasingly elevated status, going first from "the creator of Sonichu" to a goddess to Jesus.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Chris expected sex in the timeline that is used in media, because his combination of being autistic and being selfish pretty much made him oblivious to the variables that might affect what timeline all that happens in. And Chris has said numerous times explicitly that his goal in a relationship is for someone to give him his idealized daughter. He hasn't really ever shown that he considered at all what the needs and dynamics of being married would be. In fact he wanted to be a house husband basically, relying on his wife to presumably make the sole income and probably do much of the child-rearing and housework as well considering Chris has shown neither the interest nor ability to keep a house. Chris's entire plan for a relationship future solely catered to continuing the life he had of doing nothing of value as he did while under his parents care, except add sex into the equation. 50 years ago this would have been even more ludicrously unrealistic for a man.

Fair enough. My main point was that Chris wasn't asking for anything degenerate out of a relationship. Chris' failure was more in how he approached it, and on how little he brought to the table. If Chris had been a productive member of society, and if he hadn't printed it on a creepy sign, his relationship goals would not have been unreasonable. He didn't say "I want bitches to fuck", nor did he want that, until years later after the internet had corrupted him.

He wanted a meaningful relationship but he wasn't mentally capable of accurately envisioning what that entailed due to his lack of empathy.

Fuckup irresponsible Chris is his own nature and that's always been the same. Sexual degenerate Chris is very much a result of the internet's influence.

I was addressing the overall desirability of a partner like Bella in mainstream dating versus going into a niche degenerate or otherwise more socially deviant community. A smelly sociopath girl may have great odds with people as disturbed or more disturbed than she is, but I don't expect she could have good expectations with the majority of men who won't be into deviants. I'm not saying Chris has that same opportunity for hooking up with those types of girls, just that I think Chris's expectations did not align with what he could offer. Likewise I think Bella would have a hard time attracting a rich doctor. If Chris had shown willingness to socialize with and potentially date other retards he might have had better odds. There were a lot of socially weird girls on places like dA who met boyfriends through there in the mid 00s, but again like I said Chris made Sonichu such an integral part of his online presence that it is unlikely women were going to seek him out. Let us not forget that Chris's expecation was that women would approach and court him, not the reverse, so with his undesirable traits already present, that cut his odds even further.

Yeah I think we're mostly on the same page. I still don't think Chris could have found a girlfriend his age or younger even if he were more social. The only potential girlfriend he ever had (Fiona) came out of his infamy. Even then she was in a poly relationship and I don't think she would have been Chris' exclusive heartsweet. Anyone willing to stoop to date Chris would have been closer to Barb, just not a blood relation.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Fair enough. My main point was that Chris wasn't asking for anything degenerate out of a relationship. Chris' failure was more in how he approached it, and on how little he brought to the table. If Chris had been a productive member of society, and if he hadn't printed it on a creepy sign, his relationship goals would not have been unreasonable. He didn't say "I want bitches to fuck", nor did he want that, until years later after the internet had corrupted him.

He wanted a meaningful relationship but he wasn't mentally capable of accurately envisioning what that entailed due to his lack of empathy.

Fuckup irresponsible Chris is his own nature and that's always been the same. Sexual degenerate Chris is very much a result of the internet's influence.

Honestly I don't find it much less dysfunctional and degenerate to sincerely expect a relationship that you contribute absolutely nothing to. If a guy just wants sex he at least is likely to find a woman who shares that goal and reach a mutually agreeable conclusion. Not many men, let alone Chris, are likely to find a woman who will approach, court, and then take on full responsibility for every part of the relationship. I'm not necessarily characterizing him as only wanting sex, but rather sex would have been the only added benefit from having a woman versus living with his parents, and he was trying to fulfill that desire. It's poetic that he finally concluded that sex with Barb was ideal since all along he just wanted a partner who was a mother to him that he could also get sex out of.

Yeah I think we're mostly on the same page. I still don't think Chris could have found a girlfriend his age or younger even if he were more social. The only potential girlfriend he ever had (Fiona) came out of his infamy. Even then she was in a poly relationship and I don't think she would have been Chris' exclusive heartsweet. Anyone willing to stoop to date Chris would have been closer to Barb, just not a blood relation.

Once he informed any potential suitress to his plans for them I think she would have been out pretty quick, even if he did attract a woman somehow. Unfortunately for Chris, while he has a lot going against him that he may not be able to help, it is his narcissism that really dooms him. We can look again at Elliot Rodger who had MUCH MORE going for him than Chris. Rich parents, access to exclusive social groups full of easy women, average looks versus being more like Chris. But he had Chris's exact narcissist attitude of demanding that women approach him, and largely refusing to make changes to himself that would make that even remotely likely. Similarly their plans for a relationship solely consisted of what the other person can do for them.

Narcissism isn't given a lot of consideration by some, I think, due to a preconception that narcissists must be attractive, socially cunning people. Same with sociopaths. They don't just consist of serial killers and charismatic scoundrels. Low IQ, unattractive people are just as eligible for these conditions. The internet enhanced prevalence greatly by providing a constant audience and feedback loop of wanting attention and easily getting it. Positive or negative attention works just as well for a narcissist because positive strokes their ego, negative gives them the opportunity to be a sympathetic victim. Chris has frequently played that card with characters like Mary Lee Walsh, jerkops, Snyder, etc.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

I just thought of this recently after looking at some of the videobooks on his Sonichu Comics again, mostly of the earlier issues. Compared to pretty much everything else Chris has done video-wise, these videobooks are pretty wholesome in comparison. Like, there's no destruction or defilement of his medallion and sweethearts are only indirectly involved in them as these are the comics.

The earlier issues of Sonichu makes me realize just how simple and child-like his life used to be, and just how much of him had changed after he left High School. I still wonder to this day what he would have been like had he just had the right direction.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

I think failure of Love Quest was more determined by his egocentrism, not by his autism. Just look at his behavior and try to describe it in one word: I don't judge which word all of You pick, but I will pick egocentric, not autistic. I will point autism as second. Or maybye third, after his lazy ass? All autistic/assburger persons that I know aren't lazy, some of them are even workaholics. In very strange ways, but they are.

Let I be clear: his autism isn't so deep that he isn't able to get into social interactions. Thing that scared most normal people from him was his will to be a Main Character in all situations. During Dad call he just didn't give a fuck about what he can give Kacey in live, he was just all the time blabling about how good he is, how prospective, how strong etc.

Sometimes I think he was using autism as a excuse to all his shitty behaviors. Also Barb, Bob and his teachers used it as a wild card: "he is autistic, so give him a good note!", "he is autistic, so let'spay some unlucky girsl to hang up with him!", "he is autistic, so we should put him on tugboat!".