Times you have changed your mind on an issue

DirkBloodStormKing said:
I also consider myself to be pro-life after researching the pro-life viewpoint (and also because a lot of abortion companies, especially Planned Parenthood have been covering up and enabling domestic violence and child abuse (especially that of the sexual kind) because they choose not to report possible sexual abuse on clients who are clearly under the age of consent (which that alone gives child predators a way to cover up the abuse)).
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What does covering up sexual abuse cases have to do with abortion though?
I haven't bothered to read the sources, but if some abortion clinics have covered up abuse then criticize the clinics and the doctors who work there, not abortion. They're completely unrelated.
 
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A Skeleton said:
So you would rather have literal children raising children than abortions

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I actually think adoption is a pretty good solution.
SpacePanther said:
Like @Locksnap said, why does this have to do with your view on women who are not minors and are over the age of consent? I'm not trying to bash you, and I can see your reasoning a lil bit for minors, but otherwise it sounds to me like it doesn't make sense.
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I'm a woman (and somewhat of a feminist even) and I do believe that life does start at conception. Abortion is something of a moral and ethical issue and I guess it's fair for me to say that since it involves the termination of a life, no matter how small it is, abortion is not the moral or ethical choice. I feel like there should be programs (run by non-profits of course) that should console those who are pregnant and help support them in their time of need.
 
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Lol if you really regret having an abortion there's probably something wrong with you, most studies show people who actually want children are unhappier after having them so I can't imagine having one forced on you would feel any better. It's mostly people trying to rationalize their shitty decisions that promote this kind of thing.
 
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I've actually managed to mostly do a 180 in the last few years. I used to be a hardcore tumblrina that hated sites like this.
The reason I changed was actually getting into lolita fashion and browsing /cgl/ because of it. /cgl/ used to be notorious for drama before it was banned. From /cgl/ I found out about lolcow.farm, and from lolcow, someone linked a thread about Sick Nick that led to here and I decided to sign up.
Basically I realized I liked reading about other people's drama
 
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The abortion thread made me pro choice to an extent

Now I think that abortion should be legal but women should be allowed to contractually give up that right at least temporarily
 
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kittie said:
I've actually managed to mostly do a 180 in the last few years. I used to be a hardcore tumblrina that hated sites like this.
The reason I changed was actually getting into lolita fashion and browsing /cgl/ because of it. /cgl/ used to be notorious for drama before it was banned. From /cgl/ I found out about lolcow.farm, and from lolcow, someone linked a thread about Sick Nick that led to here and I decided to sign up.
Basically I realized I liked reading about other people's drama
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I have a similar story, I was never a tumblrina but I used to get overly offended at stuff on the internet. This place kinda helped me learn to laugh at it instead. It's also helped me embrace my inner asshole
 
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DirkBloodStormKing said:
Well, I have gotten a lot more right-wing/conservative over the past few months, mainly due to cynicism of the left, researching various viewpoints, and current events like the refugee crisis, the fact that race relations went sour since a Democrat (in this case Obama) and how many of the Democratic candidates and Trump (since every conservative I know says Trump's views ain't conservative for shit (such as his support for big government and fascist views going against the values of conservative ideology (which advocates for smaller government))) are enabling race relations to worsen, and the fact that many college campuses care far more about left-wing/liberal/Democratic/Feminist/Marxist/SJW ideology than about actual education and are even willing to suppress free speech and opposing viewpoints.

I also consider myself to be pro-life after researching the pro-life viewpoint (and also because a lot of abortion companies, especially Planned Parenthood have been covering up and enabling domestic violence and child abuse (especially that of the sexual kind) because they choose not to report possible sexual abuse on clients who are clearly under the age of consent (which that alone gives child predators a way to cover up the abuse)).

(yes I am highly aware that I necroed a thread)
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I lean pro-life too, but I also see the evils that come of restricting abortion. I'm having trouble reconciling the two and I simply tell people I'm conflicted on the issue for now. I'm basically at the point where I say it's only technically murder in an ethical sense (not a legal sense) if it's before 3 months. But after that, it's murder-murder.

People are often surprised to see me express right-wing views, but I fit the socially-agnostic Libertarian ideology much closer than the socially-conservative GOP ideology. Because abortion involves the potential rights of another though, libertarianism doesn't offer me a clear solution.
 
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KatsuKitty said:
I lean pro-life too, but I also see the evils that come of restricting abortion. I'm having trouble reconciling the two and I simply tell people I'm conflicted on the issue for now. I'm basically at the point where I say it's only technically murder in an ethical sense (not a legal sense) if it's before 3 months. But after that, it's murder-murder.

People are often surprised to see me express right-wing views, but I fit the socially-agnostic Libertarian ideology much closer than the socially-conservative GOP ideology. Because abortion involves the potential rights of another though, libertarianism doesn't offer me a clear solution.
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Are you a contract theorist libertarian or a natural rights libertarian (or a utilitarian libertarian, I think they exist)? Determining that would probably give more detail on what it should be. I am a contract theorist so I think of the baby entirely as property because it isn't in the social contract yet but a natural rights libertarian or utilitarian may differ on it
 
melty said:
Lol if you really regret having an abortion there's probably something wrong with you, most studies show people who actually want children are unhappier after having them so I can't imagine having one forced on you would feel any better. It's mostly people trying to rationalize their shitty decisions that promote this kind of thing.
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Abortion is supposed to (often) be traumatic. Obviously I've never had one, but having a husk of baby goop sucked out your uterus has to be kind of unpleasant by necessity. Getting them repeatedly fucks up your insides too.

Of course, in terms of physical health it fucks up your insides a lot less than actually giving birth does, so there's that.

I most likely have a different perspective than you do on this because I don't hate kids, but there are reasons to regret abortion. There are psychological benefits to having children as well even if kids might not always make you "happier" in the strictest sense.
 
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KatsuKitty said:
I lean pro-life too, but I also see the evils that come of restricting abortion. I'm having trouble reconciling the two and I simply tell people I'm conflicted on the issue for now. I'm basically at the point where I say it's only technically murder in an ethical sense (not a legal sense) if it's before 3 months. But after that, it's murder-murder.

People are often surprised to see me express right-wing views, but I fit the socially-agnostic Libertarian ideology much closer than the socially-conservative GOP ideology. Because abortion involves the potential rights of another though, libertarianism doesn't offer me a clear solution.
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You'd fit in really well on Reason, Katsu. I don't always agree with them myself, but they're among only anti-establishment right-leaning editorial and news group that actually deserves the title for reasons of principle.
 
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Every time Ive had an incorrect belief has led to extreme pain or loss to myself.
 
For me it was nuclear power. I was harshly against it simply because its unstable on top of the government failing to take care of the ones we have well enough.
I recently learned there has been HUGE changes and new tech to make it basically safer by a huge margin compared to the 1950s tech, less waste is produced and easier to manage. So I went from "we cant handle nuclear power well still" to, "WHY ARE WE NOT USING THIS TECH!?"

Problem I see is still the stigma, understandable. While also it not being super powerful still, so you would need several in a area that one coal plant could do alone. The less damaging waste over time is so much better than it was. I feel that if the government truly wanted green energy they would promote this as a nice half way till we can get actual green energy that is efficient as coal and doesn't require acers of land to be demolished to do so. But that would require some mega companies to lose a lot of money.
 
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Atheist - > Christian
Pro-choice -> pro life (with certain provisos for rape et al)
Pro-immigration -> highly limited immigration with significant barriers (skilled workers with language skills, a 'points' system, etc)
'Not all blacks are like that' -> most blacks are downwardly-mobile niggers, which we're now seeing in record capacity
 
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