Tipping culture

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We Are The Witches

We Are The Witches

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There's already a thread, but it's way too old.

Inspired by this recent mild "drama", where a YouTuber expressed how ridiculous it was for the tipping practice on New York, or what was expected from him, I have to ask if you actually tip when you go to restaurants or order food, how much you do (if you want to share), if you feel guilty if you don't, and if you see it as cheap if someone doesn't.

Tweet:
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Also, video on the topic, where an additional tax is added by default to the bill, and a tipping amount is suggested on top of it:

To me this is odd since I'm not from the US, so tipping here is just an appreciated gesture but it's by no means expected. I know the culture is different, but screw that, if someone does push this on me, I'm not going to give you anything, your employer should be the one that covers your salary, I'm not required to do so for them, I'm paying for the stuff I bought.

What is your opinion?
 
In the US it’s just accepted that you tip for certain things unless they do a particularly terrible job, eating at a restaurant, having food delivered (some places like Christian Chicken actually pay their drivers a living wage so not such a big deal), barbers/hair stylists, etc. Only niggers and subhuman trash go to a restaurant with no intention of tipping, it’s just part of the deal in Muttmerica and people who refuse to comply should go take a long flight on a recently built Boeing product.
 
So she outright stole $5 from him? wtf. Even if there was a "suggested" tip automagically added to the bill, that surely would be some fixed percentage like 10, then 10% of 45 would be $4.5, so $49.5 in total. He still would get half a dollar in change back which I would've also demanded because that shit is rude as fuck and I don't trust in tips which aren't transparent to the employer in the first place. It makes no sense however your try to look at it as a non-american(does this make sense to americans?). In not-bizarroland, I would have given her 10% by default, so I would have handed her the $50 and said "keept the rest" but not like that. I would have publicly sperged on her for taking the 5 dollars from me and given her nothing.
 
RuPaul’s Drag Racist said:
Only niggers and subhuman trash go to a restaurant with no intention of tipping, it’s just part of the deal in Muttmerica and people who refuse to comply should go take a long flight on a recently built Boeing product.
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Yeah, that's so odd, get paid by your employer, if I decide to give you something else, that's above and beyond, if I don't I'm in my right, I'm already paying for the product I bought.

And since I know it's somewhat of a cultural thing, I've seen americans disagree with this practice, so it's not like a completely black or white thing.

If you don't get paid enough by your employers, maybe the problem has something to do with other than people not tipping.
 
We Are The Witches said:
If you don't get paid enough by your employers, maybe the problem has something to do with other than people not tipping.
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I mean, even in europe, you assume that they're underpaid and overworked which is why tipping is seen as a vital courtesy to service personnel but it's not demanded, ever.
That's the problem, it's not a fucking tip then, is it?
 
In the US it's completely expected: in fact often if you go to a restaurant with a large party they'll automatically slap on a 15-20% gratuity. Plus at least where I am there's been some level of tip inflation; years ago 15% used to be standard, nowadays 20% has almost become more standard.

The problem is that even if you personally think it's stupid, servers in those positions are almost always severely lowballed in pay specifically because they're supposed to make up a lot of that in tips (and to be fair, depending on the position/establishment if they're good at it they can make a lot of money). Therefore if you decide to stage a one man protest and not tip out of principle, you're just screwing over regular workers and not the company itself.

It's kind of an odd system, but it's what we've got.
 
RuPaul’s Drag Racist said:
Only niggers and subhuman trash go to a restaurant with no intention of tipping, it’s just part of the deal in Muttmerica and people who refuse to comply should go take a long flight on a recently built Boeing product.
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The only times I’ve seen people not tip, they were either niggers gorging themselves on crab legs or trashy wiggers from the midwest.
 
We Are The Witches said:
Yeah, that's so odd, get paid by your employer,
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That money has to come from somewhere; which would be you, the restaurant customer. Better your money be used as a vote of confidence in the work of your server, then a flat-rate that traps them at the lowest common denominator. I see europoors complain all the time about tipping, but in the same breath will complain that it takes an hour for them to be seen at a restaurant.
 
When I go out to eat at a sit-down place, I always tip at least 25% unless the service was shit. The only times I have ever left no tip was when the server was a blazing cunt. Even when the food is bad, restaurants will try to make it right.

If it is a restaurant I'm a regular at, I always tip over 25% because the staff remembers you and will treat you accordingly. Back in my boozing days, I managed to get alcohol after last call because I was a whale.

I knew a guy who was a bartender at a fancy establishment in The Big City™ and he made serious money doing that because of tips.
 
I like tipping, because it proves that this pittance that is so important to you is fucking meaningless to me.
 
I hate tipping culture, and rarely do it without a good reason, such as the waiters or waitresses recognizing me due to frequent visits, or the waiters or waitresses giving me things I wasn't supposed to get. I quite like the news stories of fucking self-checkout machines asking for tips, and related nonsense, because it may finally kill tipping culture in this country. Employees should be paid well enough instead. It's all a guilt trip, and I'm immune.
 
Tipping as reward makes perfect sense IMO. There's no tipping culture in most private establishments here in India, but usually, if you find a good restaurant, if you work at a place where you know the security guard or valet, or are ordering from Amazon, it's likely that you'll meet the same guy doing the same service for you many times, and if they do their job well, tipping them means they'll do their job even better and be friendly with you, which is an added bonus. Even when I was at my first year on the job earning terrible pay, I would tip the security guard at my building, and he would always make sure to keep my vehicle safe in the external parking lot, track down license plates if someone damaged my vehicle, and if I did something stupid like leave my keys, he would retrieve it and bring it to me. I tip the amazon delivery guy and he always tries to prioritize my deliveries. I tip the waiters at my favourite restaurants, and they always keep my preferred table empty for when I come to eat there. Obviously using positive incentives like that is a good idea, and since it's not part of the system, their employers don't try to take a percentage of it, and it isn't used to reduce their salaries.

But I wonder if having a more codified "tipping culture", where there's percentages counted and expected tips no matter what, basically destroys any positive effects of tipping. From the posts I've seen on twitter and here, apparently service workers in America will even do terrible things like spitting in food or worse in revenge? If the tips are for just the service being done at all, with the implied threat of sabotage or some other kind of revenge, then that isn't tipping—that's just bribery IMO.
 
Tipping is fucking retarded. I don't get tips for my job, if you're unhappy with the salary you get in your low skilled job, quit and do better in life instead of trying to steal my money.
 
How the fuck do you calculate prices in the USA? Tax isn't listed and tipping is automated so how much am I paying? If you think the waiters deserve 10% of the cost of your product then up the cost by 10% and funnel the money directly into their wages. It's a much easier system and everyone understands what's happening.
 
Shiverpeaks said:
How the fuck do you calculate prices in the USA? Tax isn't listed and tipping is automated so how much am I paying? If you think the waiters deserve 10% of the cost of your product then up the cost by 10% and funnel the money directly into their wages. It's a much easier system and everyone understands what's happening.
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If you’re tipping the standard 15%, just add 1/5 of your initial bill to include sales tax as well, it’s not hard. Tipping is the superior method of funding employees; 1)as, if tips are being reported accurately (i.e. you’re not tipping cash and/or the employee isn’t under-reporting), then they only get taxed once, opposed to going through the employer where that same money would get taxed twice (sales tax and payroll tax) before it gets to said employee, which means that 15% tip became a 25% price increase; and 2) it promotes people who actually do a good job, rather than leaving it to the discretion of an employer that doesn’t care as long as they get their own money.
 
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