Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

[Friendly Primarina]

They should send Thunderbird 4

It might end up the same way given it's only like the third time it's been deployed.

 

[glass_houses]

The BBC apparently spoke to some talking head who claims the half hour thing is standard.
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Wait, wait, wait... so even when the thing is 'on the surface', it's not even visible? They didn't even bother to paint so much as a single reflective stripe on top, let alone lift it above the water so it could actually be seen?

Call off the search, and send out a media release: this decade's standout winners of the Darwin Awards have been determined seven years early.

 

[Sniperwoof]

Imagine looking at this ghetto jury rigged looking piece of shit with exposed wiring and getting in.

Tech/biotech Nuevo rich have absolutely no self preservation instincts at all. Their wealth has allowed them to become so insulated from society that they genuinely believe they are immortal and beyond petty mortality.

Relevant.

https://digital.nls.uk/broadsides/view/?id=14980

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I don't think anyone but Titanic spergs care that much about the whole iceberg thing or if the ships were really switched. All the relevant people are long dead and no one can actually pay for any misdeeds anymore.

With all due respect, I don't really give a shit about people being made to pay for misdeeds. Like any conspiracy, it's more about the interest and mystery that surrounds it. If social media addicts shrug at the possibility that the story around the largest maritime disaster in recent history being a cover-up to kill people who started the federal bank; something that been a recognisable evil force on the world, then those people shouldn't be allowed an opinion on anything to begin with.

 

[Otterly]

And if they did, they'd surely have to know that a frequent, timed pattern of strikes would both let any listeners know that the noise is deliberately generated, and hopefully help to triangulate the source.

The French dude on board, Nageolet or whatever it’s spelt is a genuine hardcore explorer type.

No, the technology to recover it from this depth does not exist.
What you are seeing is what you always see in these situation. Lots of people on TV talking about their pie in the sky magcal solution that they learnt from ET, just so that they can be on tv and look famous.

Maybe the air-force can use one of those UFOs they stole from ET to dive down and rescue them?

It depends how deep it is. Everyone’s assuming it’s at the bottom but it could be anywhere along a few kilometres of water column. If it’s under a couple of hundred meteres it could be lifted and retrieved, theoretically. If it’s at the bottom then it’s the deep salvage stuff and that’s both slow and secretive.

The technology to recover it exists. The technology to "rescue" it before it runs out of air does not. If they find it they can and will bring it up. But it will take bringing in slow moving highly specialized salvage assets and a couple of weeks of careful planning.

As above - depends how deep it is. It could be two feet below the surface or bobbing on top

Wait, wait, wait... so even when the thing is 'on the surface', it's not even visible?

That’s not necessarily too retarded for visuals. The sea is huge and even well lit and relief tube and high vid stuff is almost impossible to spot under even ok conditions. The lack of lights and beacon is retarded. Even a dye capsule that fires off at the surface could be good.
ETA: the navy almost certainly has capacities for deep retrieval beyond what is publicised - people are going to be under a lot of pressure to break out the super secret stuff to get these guys back.

 

[Heed Not]

For what purpose?

people are going to be under a lot of pressure to break out the super secret stuff to get these guys back.

I know our military leadership is full of a bunch of retards and literal traitors but why bother tilt your hand for some dumb richfags that are probably chunky salsa?

 

[Otterly]

For what purpose?

I know our military leadership is full of a bunch of retards and literal traitors but why bother tilt your hand for some dumb richfags that are probably chunky salsa?

It’ll make them look like heroes and people are needy enough to want that these days

 

[MadDisaster]

Maybe if we start charging a few hundred grand for the privilege, we could get billionaires out clearing minefields in Cambodia. Or a few million to go lick the elephant's foot in Chernobyl. Explore ice caves under Antarctica- if those secret Nazi bases exist, you could be the one to find them!

 

[Xanax and Wine]

People are praying for them to still be alive somewhere but I honestly hope they're already dead for their own sakes. Not that I want them to be, but unless through some miracle we find them floating on the surface in time they're going to live in fear, cramped, cold and in the darkness for long hours before they finally die. So for their sake I hope their death was a quick implosion before they even knew what hit them and the reported banging sounds are just random deep sea sounds.

If there is any sub being sent down in the future they should name it the Hubris

 

[Hall of Cost Payer]

There's nothing wrong with using a game style controller. Its a well proven control form factor. The problem is using a retail shit quality controller. Yes the Navy uses what look like X-box controllers. They are made to much higher standards than retail shit. I believe Thrustmaster has a line of commercial/military grade offerings for example. They're expensive as hell. But when lives depend on it?

There has also been a debate about using a wireless controller. And there is some merit to it, like that they don't need a hole through the inner wall for the cable, keeping the structural integrity higher. They also deserve credit for having the backup strat of having 3-5 controllers inside, in case they have problems. Game controllers also have the benefit of being designed with short reaction times in mind

"People complain about them using a gaming controller" is a red herring in my opinion. The big problem is that they used a 10$ Logitech controller from 2010 with shoddy drivers (a reporter said that on one dive the buttons were mapped wrongly, with the sub turning around instead of going up) and a proprietary wireless protocol instead of industry standards like WiFi or the Xbox One stuff.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

It might end up the same way given it's only like the third time it's been deployed.

Okay, how about Stingray

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The big problem is that they used a 10$ Logitech controller from 2010 with shoddy drivers

Exactly. The issue isn't the fact a game controller was used, but the fact it was the shittiest most bottom of the barrel lowest possible effort controller. It speaks of a huge lack of care and thought.

 

[glass_houses]

People are praying for them to still be alive somewhere but I honestly hope they're already dead for their own sakes. Not that I want them to be, but unless through some miracle we find them floating on the surface in time they're going to live in fear, cramped, cold and in the darkness for long hours before they finally die. So for their sake I hope their death was a quick implosion before they even knew what hit them and the reported banging sounds are just random deep sea sounds.

If there is any sub being sent down in the future they should name it the Hubris

It would be nice if this prompted some attempt to make going down to the Titanic illegal, but I'm not sure this is possible in international waters. And even if it is, we all know rich people and treasure hunters would go down there anyway, but at least the attempt would be made.

There are still things to learn from Titanic, but that can be done with small unmanned drones without disturbing the wreck or debris field. What people are doing now is driving around a graveyard in a bulldozer, destroying headstones and taking the more interesting sculptures home as souvenirs. I'm not averse to graveyard tourism, but you have to at least pretend to respect the ones buried there.

 

[TheRetardKing]

James Cameron Titanic Dive, this fucking ain't.

 

[George Lucas]

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Yeah, they cheaped out on this shit. Fucking 250k a ticket, didn't even spring for the Xbox Elite, just a $30 ancient controller. 'Good enough' doesn't work for undersea exploration.

What a fucking joke. Though what a great metaphor for modern capitalism.

To be fair, I'd take an older Dinput controller over an Xinput controller. Dinput is lower level and has more functionality than Xinput. You can write a custom Dinput driver easily. Xinput is more likely to randomly fail and when it breaks, there's usually no way to fix it.

That said, for a mission critical application like this, you would want to use something engineering-grade. Think hall-effect joysticks and the like.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to use gaming controllers as input devices. The US Navy somewhat famously uses them to control periscopes on submarines. There's little reason to engineer a new input device when someone else has put millions into ergonomics and manufacturability. It's not difficult to train people to use them- they've likely held one before. In theory it should save money (but who knows how those Navy Xbox controllers are procured).

I don't even fault them for using Logitech. They have decades of experience producing peripherals.

To use one as your primary input device, and hooked up to a system that's doesn't appear to be designed for a real-time system is just hubris. I think that's Windows in the videos? Maybe there's some embedded RTOS that thing is talking to. In the BBC doc from last year they managed to put a steering motor on backwards and needed to remap the controller so it does not appear electronics are their strong-suit.

More and more mission critical systems are using Windows Embedded these days. Windows Embedded is a lot more reliable than Windows Pro/Enterprise, but is still not a true RTOS. I don't like it, but the trend is clear and we are only going to see situations like this continue until we bring the hammer down and regulate OS requirements for mission critical systems.

The US military uses X-Box controllers for drones, unmanned vehicles across the planet that can be connected to by different terminals if one terminal is inoperative. Its not comparable. This was the one and only device and it wasn't even wired for a modest bit of redundancy.

XBox controllers are nothing special. The US military using something has more to do with politics and contractors knowing who the right person to talk to is and how to craft a bid. Microsoft is really good at getting the military to use its tech. I'm glad that the military uses stuff like Exchange, Excel, and Active Directory for their basic infrastructure (open source business software is unfortunately lacking, and don't even get me started on the Google bullshit), but I'd much rather see them use engineering grade joysticks and UNIX-based RTOSs for things that involve people's lives, and that includes drones because drones are physical devices that live in the same world we do.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

xbox controllers ARE retail shit (dualshocks too before anyone complaints).

I've had the same xbox 360 controller for like 15 years for my PC and the thing still works flawlessly appart from a slightly worn down knob, these things are incredibly tough.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

People mad that this story has more attention than invaders dying before they reached their destination. I'll delete if somebody already posted this.

Archive

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

They should have used one of those superclicky arcade sticks so they could find them by the noise

 

[Betonhaus]

There has to be a joke in here somewhere where they all have to decide who has to die to save the oxygen. The KF brain trust needs to workshop this.
As a representative for England, we put forward our long history of scientific discovery and artistic gifts to the world.

Counterpoint: the CEO, knowing exactly how badly they are fucked, immediately killed all of the passengers and maybe the pilot to preserve oxygen

 

[Secret Asshole]

To be fair, I'd take an older Dinput controller over an Xinput controller. Dinput is lower level and has more functionality than Xinput. You can write a custom Dinput driver easily. Xinput is more likely to randomly fail and when it breaks, there's usually no way to fix it.

That said, for a mission critical application like this, you would want to use something engineering-grade. Think hall-effect joysticks and the like.

The ideal would be to develop and pay for, you know, an industrial solution.

But then I wouldn't trust carbon fiber and shit from camping outlets either. If I have to build a five-man deep sea sub, my budget better be in the tens of millions, not fucking shopping on Amazon prime.

People mad that this story has more attention than invaders dying before they reached their destination. I'll delete if somebody already posted this.
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The reason is that the boat flipped and they're dead and recovered, that's it. There's nothing more to the story. If 700 migrants were missing, you bet your sweet ass there'd be a story about it. The thing is the migrant was one and done. This is on-going. Not to mention you've got retarded billionaire hubris, most people underestimate the hate that people have for billionaires.