Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

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Im still catching up on the hearings but I am really interested in all the testimonies and am listening when I can.

This might be a stupid question, but to me, the vast majority of 'guilt' lays with Rush. I understand this is not a criminal trial and do not expect results like one, but at the end of this investigation- is the goal to press charges for anyone who reasonably holds some of the guilt by knowingly supporting this asinine project? Is Oceangate LLC potentially going to be sued, or the estate of Rush in order to compensate the families of the deceased? Or is this investigation mostly to see what legal safety loopholes could be closed in the future? Or just to make a report and everyone moves on?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to that as there isn't much of a precedence for this level of negligent stupidity.
 
I understand this is not a criminal trial and do not expect results like one, but at the end of this investigation- is the goal to press charges for anyone who reasonably holds some of the guilt by knowingly supporting this asinine project?
The goal, with a hearing like this, is to determine what went wrong in order to ensure that it doesn't happen again. Normally, the end result would be a list of recommendations for changes in process or training improvements, perhaps a requirement to redesign parts, or a recommendation to withdraw or replace some affected equipment. In this case, I expect the outcome will be a report that just says "don't be stockton rush" for 600 pages.
 
Why is this old man talking about his life story?? Like he literally started with his birth and how his family moved to Canada and what he did there and so on. It just goes on and on. Wtf?
I’m dying, this is incredible. He’s still going and hasn’t said one thing of relevance yet. Sub people just work on a different plane to everyone else don’t they.

“Sir, in the interest of time, could we get back to milking cows please?”

The first session with the NTSB guy was great, no conclusions from it but just yet more hopium based “engineering” exposed.
 
So I watch this guy on you tube, he's an ex squid, good guy pretty smart. Anyway he's got the tl dr version of what they found down there.


And take a look at this picture, if you don't want to watch the video

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that red arrow is indicating the direction of the implosion. That's the long axis of the "sub". The pile of black stuff at the end near the broken endcap is most of the carbon fiber. It's right around this point in the video where he says per the report they found a little bit of paste-like material that they have determined is the remains of everyone who was on the sub, mashed together into a little wad of goo.

The curved red line between the two arrows is a titanium collar that was mated to the hemisphere of titanium that's resting on the bottom of the heap there with the lower red arrow pointing up. But that lower red arrow is pointing to a fracture line in the titanium. The column of water rushed in so fast and so hard that it broke two pieces of titanium apart.

Again as has been said, these people ceased to exist before they knew what had happened so there wasn't even a moment of "<crack> Oh sh-" just...one second they're there and the next second they're gone. I don't wish anyone dead but if someone had to die, I wish it'd been Stockton Rush by himself and not everyone else.

Sub Brief is of the mindset that the Titanic wreck is a gravesite, and now it's a gravesite of the Titan crew and it should be left undisturbed and I kind of agree with him.
 
Sub Brief is of the mindset that the Titanic wreck is a gravesite, and now it's a gravesite of the Titan crew and it should be left undisturbed and I kind of agree with him.
The wreck of the HMS Prince of Wales had nearly 400 dead on board her, but because she sunk in relatively shallow water Chinese dealers have been able to pull up most of the wreck for scrap. The Titanic sinking in such deep water should have been a protection against grave robbers. However Stockton Rush was a man with a mission.
 
For all the self importance, Conan has delivered some satisfying smack-downs on Rush. Just skip the first hour of his bit.
 
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Even worse: Sonardyne -> handwritten notes -> Excel -> ArcGIS and apparently if you touched the ArcGIS map at all, you could knock everything out of alignment and fuck the whole map up. I've cut out the section with her testimony on navigation if you don't want the retarded TikTok zoomer version. OceanGate is a comedy of errors at every level.
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Here's the HR rep, trying to explain away why they sacked her. She didn't have an 'explorer' mindset.

It clearly got to the point where only retards that didn't understand the danger could work there.

 
It clearly got to the point where only retards that didn't understand the danger could work there.
I feel like this is a microcosm for a lot of corporations, industries, and government agencies, nowadays. Sycophancy and jingoism are no substitute for competence, in dangerous endeavors, or the mundane.
 
I feel like this is a microcosm for a lot of corporations, industries, and government agencies, nowadays. Sycophancy and jingoism are no substitute for competence, in dangerous endeavors, or the mundane.
Corporations almost exist just to commit crimes. They just spread around the guilt so it's so diffuse no individual is guilty of the entire crime. And criminally convicting a corporation does basically jack shit. You can't shoot it or throw it in prison. You can fine it, maybe, often less than the profit they made from committing the crime.

A lot of stuff couldn't be done at all without limiting liability, but we've taken it to an extreme.
 
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