Tom and Jerry - The old school cat and mouse politically incorrect tv show

[The Pink Panther]

Also, @MrJokerRager, this was the movie scene from the 50's Tom and Jerry was in:

Lots of Kenneth Muse animation in here. If you ever notice a more fluid than usual movement from the characters, it's probably Kenneth Muse. Example at 1:47.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I've always been a Rothbard-style libertarian at heart, whoever broke the Non-Aggression Principle (NAP) at the start of the cartoon I'd root against. A lot of cartoons start with Jerry doing his own thing and then Tom being a dick, I'd root for Jerry then. But when Jerry was an ass I was team Tom.

Thru Google I found the ending to my childhood favorite T&J! In this one Jerry and another mouse shithead just totally abuse Tom for no damn reason. Tom fucking wins at the end and it's great!

Moral of the story: Guns are awesome!

I take it back, that is the animation style I hated the most. Plus the dog on that show was some yellow cunt that was even worse than Jerry or Butch.

This is the modern day for comparison. 2nd worst in my book.

So, I'm a big fan of Tom and Jerry...to the point where if you point out a scene to me from the Hanna-Barbera era, I can pretty much name the animator who did it and describe their style in sort of a loose way. I would probably get a 100 on a test for that if there was one. Test me if you'd like.

Tom and Jerry is probably my favorite classical cartoon series of all time. Love it with all my heart. Funny as hell, loved the way it could tell stories and jokes with (mostly) no dialogue, and it's peak MGM. Anything that came after 1958 was inferior though. Gene Deitch sucks because he tried to be minimalistic. Chuck Jones' series of Tom and Jerrys sucked because he tried to steal some of his Looney Tunes cartoons' scripts along with Michael Maltese, but really watered down the gags. Every TV show can't really match the smooth animation of the OG's, so you know.

Might as well drop my ten favorites here, from 10 to 1:

Are there any dvd collections of the show where they have everything?

There is no Tom & Jerry that upsetted kid me more than "The Two Mouseketeers" Tom only does his job as security for the whole cartoon and the French fucking Guillotine him at the end for failing. Jerry and his little shit mouse friend just say "Oh well" and walk off to a happy ending. That shit was dark.

I think you confused that for the Robin Hood one. They try to free robin hood and Tom fails at his job and gets executed. Its subverted in the French king sleep one where the grey mouse puts the old fuck to sleep to save Tom.

 

[Kulee Baba]

I take it back, that is the animation style I hated the most. Plus the dog on that show was some yellow cunt that was even worse than Jerry or Butch.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing seeing it with critical eyes for the first time in years. The Chuck Jones-Produced Tom and Jerry were just a far cry from the classic era. In his young years Chuck Jones made some brilliant cartoons but by the 60s he was just coasting. I can't blame him, I think the 60s shorts were actually made for TV so in comparison to other crap of that time these shorts are great.

Anyway everything but the end of that cartoon is infuriating, Tom literally just wants to sleep in that short and Jerry is a little piece of shit. If it didn't have that ending of Tom outwitting Jerry it would be the worst cartoon they made.

I think you confused that for the Robin Hood one. They try to free robin hood and Tom fails at his job and gets executed. Its subverted in the French king sleep one where the grey mouse puts the old fuck to sleep to save Tom.

No it's The Two Mouseketeers:

As the smoke disappears, Jerry and Nibbles are seen walking triumphantly down the street with stolen banquet food. Suddenly, they look up and see a guillotine in the distance, and with a drumroll the blade comes down, strongly suggesting that Tom was executed (although off-screen in order to comply with the Hays Code). Both mice gulp, and then Nibbles sighs "Pauvre, pauvre pussycat!" ("Poor, poor pussycat!"). Then he shrugs, saying "C'est la guerre!" ("Such is war!"). With that, the two Mouseketeers continue their victory marching off into the night.

I love the Wikipedia detail that we don't see Tom head get CHOPPED off due to censorship. That would have been some Itchy & Scratchy shit.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Are there any dvd collections of the show where they have everything?

Yeah.

The Spotlight Collection, The Classic Collectors Edition, and The Golden Collection (although it doesn't have any shorts from 1954-1958. Personally, I recommend the Golden Collection because they were able to restore the film copies and found some of the original title cards to some cartoons even if not all of them had the original film copies. I wish they released volume 3 though.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

I was always more of a Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner fan.

I never knew that the Mammy Two-Shoes was a racist characture/stereotype when I was a kid (the target audience), it wasn't until I was much older when a teacher pointed out it was a racist depiction of black women. Shit, I never knew Aunt Jemima was a mammy until a few weeks ago.

I think these kids could and should watch these cartoons because they're a shit ton better than the cartoons they're making now-a-days in terms of comedy and quality of animation.

Maybe if parents didnt let the TV babysit their kids all day they wouldnt have to worry about what they're watching. When I was little, me and brothers and sisters were allowed only an hour of TV (which would be Nick or TV Land) or shared "Nintendo time", and I'm not some boomer or gen-x'er either.

 

[Calandrino]

Even as a kid I hated Jerry to the point I wouldnt watch it anymore lol

My friend (he was maybe 13 at the time) got absolutely enraged by Tom & Jerry Kids. Like, livid, punch-the-wall angry. As I remember, Tom wasn't at all malevolent in that one, or even foolish in a Wile E. Coyote way, just a little kid getting tortured for basically no reason.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

- Tom and Jerry
- Looney Tunes
- Rocky & Bullwinkle
- The Pink Panther (no relation to @The Pink Panther)
- The Moomins
- Yogi Bear
- Secret Squirrel
- Dastardly & Muttley
- Vintage Mickey Mouse/Goofy/Donald Duck cartoons

Everyone here knows that these cartoons are more groundbreaking for its time, but it’s not because of its cartoonish-like violence. It’s because of its longstanding entertainment value that can last from a young child to young adult to old adult.

I’ve witnessed even adults in old age that still get a laugh over Tom & Jerry.

 

[millais]

Fidel Castro supposedly liked Tom and Jerry, specifically Jerry, on account of he thought Cuba was like Jerry, always outsmarting and frustrating his bigger opponent.

Fuck Castro and Jerry.

 

[Very Clever Nickname]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seka_xO0UwI

At the BBC proms, they performed a selection of music from the classic Tom & Jerry cartoons and it is brilliant. Perfectly captures the feel.

 

[Anti Fun Aktion]

As a kid my local tv stations played both the MGM shorts and the Filmation ones oddly enough. Being that it was the early 90's mammy was still there and no one seemed to have an issue at the time. Then around that time they had Tom and Jerry kids to cash in on the success of The Flintsone kids and A pup Named Scooby Doo. I never understood why some people got emotional over the death of Gene Dietch when his shorts were a mixed bag to say the least.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing seeing it with critical eyes for the first time in years. The Chuck Jones-Produced Tom and Jerry were just a far cry from the classic era. In his young years Chuck Jones made some brilliant cartoons but by the 60s he was just coasting. I can't blame him, I think the 60s shorts were actually made for TV so in comparison to other crap of that time these shorts are great.

Yeah this 1960s animation is like a giant downgrade. Even the modern day version animation is better than it.

Also anyone know what the fuck is this yellow dog called? like what is the nickname for it.

The modern day version.

As a kid my local tv stations played both the MGM shorts and the Filmation ones oddly enough. Being that it was the early 90's mammy was still there and no one seemed to have an issue at the time. Then around that time they had Tom and Jerry kids to cash in on the success of The Flintsone kids and A pup Named Scooby Doo. I never understood why some people got emotional over the death of Gene Dietch when his shorts were a mixed bag to say the least.

Yeah, there was a lot of blackface and mammy references used lol but they were funny.

Fidel Castro supposedly liked Tom and Jerry, specifically Jerry, on account of he thought Cuba was like Jerry, always outsmarting and frustrating his bigger opponent.

Fuck Castro and Jerry.

Im sure this was his favorite episode. Just realized they had at least 4 episodes tackling the relationships between Tom, Jerry and that baby grey mouse. Only time he basically rekts Tom is over child abuse.

- Tom and Jerry
- Looney Tunes
- Rocky & Bullwinkle
- The Pink Panther (no relation to @The Pink Panther)
- The Moomins
- Yogi Bear
- Secret Squirrel
- Dastardly & Muttley
- Vintage Mickey Mouse/Goofy/Donald Duck cartoons

Everyone here knows that these cartoons are more groundbreaking for its time, but it’s not because of its cartoonish-like violence. It’s because of its longstanding entertainment value that can last from a young child to young adult to old adult.

I’ve witnessed even adults in old age that still get a laugh over Tom & Jerry.

They actually had Tom get drunk in one of the episodes lol.

Yeah.

The Spotlight Collection, The Classic Collectors Edition, and The Golden Collection (although it doesn't have any shorts from 1954-1958. Personally, I recommend the Golden Collection because they were able to restore the film copies and found some of the original title cards to some cartoons even if not all of them had the original film copies. I wish they released volume 3 though.

Did they like remaster the episodes. This is the same exact episode but look at the colors. Tom is solid blue in one and greyish blue in the other.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Yeah this 1960s animation is like a giant downgrade. Even the modern day version animation is better than it.

Also anyone know what the fuck is this yellow dog called? like what is the nickname for it.

I dunno. That's just the stereotypical bulldog design Chuck used in a lot of his cartoons.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I dunno. That's just the stereotypical bulldog design Chuck used in a lot of his cartoons.

In my response to you, did they change the color palletes? my response to you is at the bottom of the post. The vanishing duck one.

 

[The Pink Panther]

In my response to you, did they change the color palletes? my response to you is at the bottom of the post. The vanishing duck one.

It's a variation on the design for Marc Antony, a bulldog character Chuck made from Looney Tunes.

So yeah.

 

[MrJokerRager]

It's a variation on the design for Marc Antony, a bulldog character Chuck made from Looney Tunes.

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So yeah.

LOL, I mean this. Tom is colored differently in the same cartoon.

 

[The Pink Panther]

LOL, I mean this. Tom is colored differently in the same cartoon.

That's just a matter of SD and Cinemascope formatting as well as TV formatting. The above video is restored to its original Cinemascope quality. The bottom video is the SD quality and the TV copies of Tom and Jerry cartoons aren't restored to their original nitrate coloring because of DVNR and shit. So there's a myth around yonder that Tom was a dark BLUE cat when in reality most of the time he was charcoal gray or dark gray as far as the theaters see it.

 

[The Last Stand]

The early 1960s episodes of Tom & Jerry that were made in Czechoslovakia were some of the most God awful cartoons to ever exist. They got a lot of play on Boomerang.

Anything that came after 1958 was inferior though. Gene Deitch sucks because he tried to be minimalistic.

There's a lot of hate for the Gene Deitch era of Tom & Jerry. I understand why, more than just the cheap budget and subpar animation. I remember liking them as a kid because of the slapstick animation, but a few shorts WERE boring in hindsight. Tom going on a cruise just to hit on a girl?

And Tom's owner. Just plain abusive and short tempered, even for those standards. Now I see why those shorts are despised.

The first Tom and Jerry shorts I did not enjoy. The animation quality was TOO detailed. Too many closeups.

 

[The Pink Panther]

The first Tom and Jerry shorts I did not enjoy. The animation quality was TOO detailed. Too many closeups.

Can't blame 'em.

MGM was just coming off an era where they tried to ape Disney (and eventually won an Academy Award for doing so). Plus, the early Tom and Jerrys were pretty sloooooooow. The first true Tom and Jerry cartoon for me was Bowling Alley Cat from 1942. That's when it stopped being sloooooooooow and started to ramp up the speed a bit.

 

[Travoltron]

I never knew that the Mammy Two-Shoes was a racist characture/stereotype when I was a kid (the target audience), it wasn't until I was much older when a teacher pointed out it was a racist depiction of black women.

If that horrid live-action reboot of Tom & Jerry ever comes to pass, I want to see Leslie Jones play Mrs. Two-Shoes.

 

[MrJokerRager]

There's a lot of hate for the Gene Deitch era of Tom & Jerry. I understand why, more than just the cheap budget and subpar animation. I remember liking them as a kid because of the slapstick animation, but a few shorts WERE boring in hindsight. Tom going on a cruise just to hit on a girl?

And Tom's owner. Just plain abusive and short tempered, even for those standards. Now I see why those shorts are despised.

The first Tom and Jerry shorts I did not enjoy. The animation quality was TOO detailed. Too many closeups.

Can't blame 'em.

MGM was just coming off an era where they tried to ape Disney (and eventually won an Academy Award for doing so). Plus, the early Tom and Jerrys were pretty sloooooooow. The first true Tom and Jerry cartoon for me was Bowling Alley Cat from 1942. That's when it stopped being sloooooooooow and started to ramp up the speed a bit.

It explains this shit and why is it so mean spirited. Also I thought Jerry got mind swapped with a lion given how he does a lion roar at the end of this episode but not shown in this clip.