Any thoughts? Previous leaks imply they would force SOPA style laws on us.
TPP likely to pass today.
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you think the law applies to everyone.. how cute
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Oh I forgot, I was using logic. How stupid of me. Of course the US government will find a loophole.
Still doesn't mean it won't bite them in the ass one of these days.
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Yeah, this is the bit people miss. You can't be convicted in court for violating a treaty.
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So it's toothless?
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The TPP seems to be a largely geopolitical move to me. It seems like Obama's finally pursuing his pivot to Asia strategy at a time when China is launching its own AIIB, which has specifically undercut the US and other major financial institutions by recruiting several US allies as founding members.
Trade is a good way of discouraging war. Considering China's adventurism in the South China Sea in recent years, this basically seems like economic encirclement to counter its growing clout both in its backyard and in Africa.
Another main aim of the AIIB, the Africa investment boom, and China's New Silk Road strategy seems to be promoting the international use of the renminbi. Considering that the entire contemporary global order is built on the $ being the global reserve currency, that is a significant move.
Trade is a good way of discouraging war. Considering China's adventurism in the South China Sea in recent years, this basically seems like economic encirclement to counter its growing clout both in its backyard and in Africa.
Another main aim of the AIIB, the Africa investment boom, and China's New Silk Road strategy seems to be promoting the international use of the renminbi. Considering that the entire contemporary global order is built on the $ being the global reserve currency, that is a significant move.
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No, because the worst parts of it aren't domestic. Whatever is being fast-tracked is basically being delegated to the President to do, largely so that they can then blame him for it. So it's likely to be really shitty. The stuff that basically destroys jobs domestically and effectively creates slave labor level jobs overseas is now in Obama's hands, and I doubt he pushed to get this power so as not to use it.
Think NAFTA on steroids except we're shipping jobs to a bunch of countries instead of just Mexico. Also kiss the tax revenues goodbye from those employees.
What's not going to happen, though, is a backdoor SOPA. It can't directly do that. It can, though, create obligations under international law to do just that. Congress can, though, simply ignore that and there's no real way to force states to go along with it either. The legal issues are really, really complicated, but the short of it (and an oversimplification) is treaties are not self-executing under U.S. domestic law, that is, do not have the force of law domestically without additional legislation.
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I have nothing of value to add, other than I will be incredibly disappointed (which I'm used to, to be fair) and moderately pissy if this bullshit gets passed.
I can't help but wonder if everybody who's pro-TPP is either ignorant of the (very obvious) downsides, or if they just don't care.
I can't help but wonder if everybody who's pro-TPP is either ignorant of the (very obvious) downsides, or if they just don't care.
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Or getting a large payday(bribe) soon.
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I'm pretty sure most people who approve of this know exactly what it'll cause and seek to benefit from it in some way.
It's just more greedy heartless politicians trying to wrestle as much control and profit as they can from the masses. We've been dealing with this shit for centuries.
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Sigh... So we can expect a rise in crime, hatred toward the rich/political establishment, and social unrest - I kind of welcome it. After all, the tree of revolt must be steeped in blood and there's not enough blood being spilt anymore. It's pathetic - kinda makes me wish BS like The Hunger Games were real, TBH. Almost, anyway. At least real shit would be getting done about shit like this.
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In and of itself, yes. But that's just the theory. The expectation is that the various governments will then proceed to enact laws to give force to the treaty. A good analogy is the Geneva Convention - if the US had no laws against torture, its signing the Convention would mean nothing in and of itself, but the US adherence is given force by various laws. A treaty is basically a government's formally stated intention to other governments to enact certain laws.
The good news is that, even though the treaty itself has been negotiated secretly, any attempt to give it legal force will go through the normal lawmaking process and be open to the usual amount of scrutiny. The downside is, any number of fucking awful laws have been passed in the last ten years despite that scrutiny, so all those scary TPP provisions might yet come into force. Although frankly, if I was a nationalist US citizen who only cared about the wellbeing of my own country, I'd lobby my Congressman to sign the hell out of it. What's more likely - third world businesses suing the US government, or vice versa?
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I felt that went without saying
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That's an interpretation that, while it isn't unique to the United States, is pretty common. It also flatly contradicts the express language of the Constitution.
In this case, it's actually a good thing courts have effectively disregarded this language.
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Imo it's more likely they'll shit themselves and do nothing
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Refresh my memory. TPP is a jobkiller for America, right? Have they tried to include SOPA and PIPA in this bill recently? I know they did the last time but has it been done so again?
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America's not just affected, apparently, so's Canada. Frankly, I don't get what goes through the minds of some Senators sometimes. They do realize they're fucking up the world more than climate change, right?
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No, they don't include it in the bill. The bill authorizes Obama basically to do it on his own. Not only that, he gets to do it in secret and present the finished product to be subject to an up and down vote without any real legislative process. They can't vote away their ability to reject the finished deal at a later time, although they probably would if they could, the gutless whores.
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So I guess it's a good time to stop watching stuff from kissanime.com and pornhub because of this right?
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Might as well extend that to just using the internet then, given that this shit is what the Government would rather focus on instead of the bigger things. Like climate change, the economy and ISIS.
Though then again, I'm Canadian. But as this affects my country, I'm applying that same logic to them too.
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I sure hope so, it's time America stopped hoarding all those high paying jobs.