‘Traditional TV is dying’: can networks pivot and survive?

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Warner Bros Discovery’s announcement this week of a $9bn (£7bn) writedown in the value of its TV networks is a stark acknowledgment of the damage the streaming wars are inflicting on traditional broadcasting models.

The astonishing figure, which pushed the US entertainment group to a quarterly net loss of $10bn (£7.9bn) and sent shares sliding 12% in early trading on Thursday, lays bare how channels such as CNN, TLC and the Food Network can no longer rely on a captive cable subscriber base.

The rapid consumer shift away from high-priced TV packages, coupled with the inexorable decline in advertising, has forced traditional TV companies to invest billions in low-cost streaming services to catch up with first movers such as Netflix.

The question is now whether companies such as WBD – home to TV and film content including Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga, Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, The Big Bang Theory, Succession, Friends and all Olympics events – can build the scale and make significant profits from their streaming operations before the death of linear television delivered by cable, satellite or aerial.

“Traditional TV is dying, or at least in zombie mode,” says Alex Degroote, a media analyst. “It is being replaced by a combination of services such as short-form video players like YouTube and TikTok, and the top streamers such as Netflix. WBD’s $9bn impairment is a real hammer blow and will reverberate across all traditional media assets.”

The market value of WBD, home to assets including the Warner Bros film studio, HBO and CNN, has plunged almost 70% in the two years since the group was formed in a $40bn (£31.5bn) merger between WarnerMedia and Discovery intended to help both businesses survive the transition to a streaming future.

“Unfortunately, the stock performance is a clear indication that investors see little optimism that the tides may soon start to turn,” says Robert Fishman, senior analyst at MoffettNathanson.

Earlier this week, Disney disclosed that its streaming operations – which include the global Disney+ service, Hulu and ESPN+ in the US and Hotstar in India – achieved profitability for the first time in the quarter to the end of June.

However, the milestone of $447m (£352m) in operating profit, which was above management projections, has come at a huge cost, with its streaming services running up $11bn (£9.2bn) in losses since Disney+ was launched in 2019.

Disney has more than 200 million global streaming subscribers, and WBD exceeds 100 million globally, with Discovery+ now the fastest-growing service in the UK thanks to winning the rights to show every Olympic discipline. But the battle is not just to continue to drive scale.

Boosting revenue and profits per subscriber has become critical through strategies including rapid rounds of price increases – Disney has just announced a set of price rises for later this year – as well as driving slightly cheaper ad-funded tiers to pull in cost-conscious consumers.

While traditional TV companies struggle with managing the decline in their legacy businesses, with drastic rounds of cost-cutting after a decade of profligate spending on content in the first decade of the streaming wars, Netflix points to a viable future.

The streaming giant, which once struggled with mounting losses running into tens of billions of dollars, has seen its market value surge by more than 50% over the past year after turning the profitability corner while continuing to see significant growth in subscribers.

WBD’s chief executive, David Zaslav, who has considered breaking up the company but concluded that is not currently the best option, said the market was being hit by a “generational disruption” that requires traditional TV companies to take “bold, necessary steps”.

Richard Broughton, director at Ampere Analysis, said: “Legacy TV businesses are in decline but the shift is not so rapid that it can’t be managed. There are still a lot of broadcast TV viewers, they have the time to pivot to profitability in the streaming world.”

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I tried watching modern television, but it's mostly local channels as I don't have cable. It's the same thing, old reruns from the late 90s and early 00s, if it's not local news, a shopping channel, or sports. Last time I tried cable, many of those channels were worse off, running the same shows for hours in a row. Won't be surprised if it fully dies out by the end of the decade.
 
I don’t know any people below 35 who watches TV.

Even streaming is becoming less popular, I’ve noticed.

Part of it is that streaming services suck. You used to have everything on Netflix or Prime. How they nickel and dime you and spread content out over half a dozen different services. Users are fed up, but not going back to regular TV, which they have been weaned off from.

Another part is that content sucks these days. It’s all the same girlboss crap and unattractive women and men full
of sarcastic quips and zero personality.

Streaming shows in particular suck. Ten episodes per season, with a “cliffhanger” at the end of each episode to keep viewers watching. And some lame mystery box that the whole season revolves around.

If you want decent TV, watch shows that were made a decade ago or older. Especially if you’re into sci-fi or action-adventure.
Yeah exactly. Shit i'm turning 40 soon and haven't watched anything on tv since like 2008. Barring news and weather at least. What little I have any interest in I pirate or watch on youtube. There just isn't anything worth watching. At best its bland garbage and usually condensed into like 10 episodes because they clearly intend to put it on a streaming app at some point. I'm starting to think that the offhand comment they made in star trek tng decades ago about tv not lasting much longer than the 2030s might have been eerily prophetic. Everybody laughed at that in the late 80s but look how bad its gotten now
 
Who Shot JR was such a big deal because JR was the first true anti-hero/villain protagonist on prime time TV and Larry Hangman gave a career redefining performance as the villainous JR that was the prototype for actors like Michael Chiklis, Bryan Cranston, Ted Danson, etc.

A shame though Dallas is lost media at this point. The DVDs are oop, it's not been on TV since The Nashville Network rebranded, and IIRC you can't even stream it.
Dallas and Dynasty were like the shows of their time. Its what people were talking about at work, around the dinner table, etc. And they were escapist television that any middle to lower class person could watch and get a glimpse of the lifestyle of the rich. JR Ewing and Alexis Carrington were the dominant forces on the shows. You knew exactly who they were and wanted to see what they were getting up to each week.

They don't really have this anymore. There's really no show nowadays that holds you captive week after week because it's either a stale cardboard plot with badly written characters or its a series that has not yet been put out to pasture. Streaming with all episodes of a shows new season doesn't help either. Also social media and the internet kind of ruin it for everyone because there's always one person who spoils it and then it spreads like wildfire.

Marvel is guilty of that last part. That Wanda Vision show apparently had a completely different finale but then people supposedly guessed a particular plot point so the idiot writers had to rewrite and hastily film a shit finale for a shit series.

Then there are those who say stuff like True Detective and Mare of Easttown are ripoffs of Happy Valley or they're simply poorly done remakes. Also sitcoms with laugh tracks are dead. They died in the 1990s because they don't do live studio audiences anymore. Plus the humor is bad.
 
the companies that own TV networks have been intentionally making tv shittier and splitting off their IP into piecemealed streaming services the last decade and it's only accelerated post corona. They're just trying to turn the Internet into TV and then are also intentionally making that more shit for some other reasonings involving sub service shit. It's gotten really fucking bad really fucking fast all around tot he point I've started seeing youtube scam ads aired on TV telling me to scan a QR code for viagra pills in morgan freeman's voice whenever I got a TV on in the background.

I was wondering why this thread got necroed but then I ralized it's BBC shit.
 
That Wanda Vision show apparently had a completely different finale but then people supposedly guessed a particular plot point so the idiot writers had to rewrite and hastily film a shit finale for a shit series.
it doesn't help when the TV shows themselves are telling you black is white.
Wandavision tried to paint Wanda as the good guy but she is the baddie in any sane universe. she literally kidnaps an entire town and forces them to do her bidding in some fucked up sitcom where she has kids.

the Twilight Zone did it better years ago but there's no funko pop version so the writers don't know about it.
 
I for one cannot ever see enough commercials promising me "explosive diahrea" from the product being advertised.

Is anyone else old enough to remember when we got stuff other than pharmaceutical ads?
I remember commercials on broadcast TV and cable. I remember when they used to have cigarette and beer commercials on TV. The beer commercials usually showed nice attractive people in their late 20's to 30's. Usually it was guys and when the beer came out attractive women would come out of nowhere. Not really a realistic depiction of your average booze drinker. They need to look more sad depressed and ugly. I remember the Marlboro man commercials and ads. I don't think they are allowed to show them anymore.

I use adblocker while using the internet so I hardly ever see ads unless I use my phone to stream a YouTube video through my Roku device and then I get hit with the woke DEI ESG ads.
I get glimpses at modern cable when I go visit my boomer dad. There's 1500 channels that are the same 300 or so channels repeated multiple times for no discernable reason. You got the news channel block, the "discovery" and other reality tv block, the largest of the blocks is the "just ads" block,some kids content, the 24/7 law and order channels and then the 12 movie channels. Dad pays an unfathomable amount for it and he just watches the commie news network and ancient aliens.
Out of touch Boomers love paying for cable. They don't know any better.
 
One thing I liked about TV over streaming is that it kept everyone more connected on the same thing. If something good was on Saturday at 8pm, everyone would be watching it at the same time and have something to talk about on Monday. With streaming everyone just watches different things at different paces; when they drop a whole season at a time you can't really discuss each episode individually like you used to.
Another annoying thing is the impossibility of avoiding spoilers. You have to basically disconnect from the internet if you don't want to know who dies at the end of that 24 episode season that dropped all at once.
 
Things I’ve watched that came out recently.
Nobody- John wick but funnier.
Reacher- read the books, liked the show, disregarded whatever personal bullshit any of the actors believe in cause fuck you monkey- dance for me cause that’s what you’re paid for.
Godzilla minus one. A lot of people said it was exceptional including my friend who has seen every single Godzilla movie ever made so yea and it was good.

That’s about it. A few foreign made movies like Sisu but really it’s all shit. Cost versus return on modern cinema or shows isn’t worth it. I can still tell you all about the Ateam story arc, Miami vices story arc, MASH, etc etc. sure they were in some ways cheesy but they weren’t preachy much or boring (mash preached but not every single time). Could they make All in the family again? Or boondocks?
 
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That’s about it. A few foreign made movies like Sisu but really it’s all shit. Cost versus return on modern cinema or shows isn’t worth it. I can still tell you all about the Ateam story arc, Miami vices story arc, MASH, etc etc. sure they were in some ways cheesy but they weren’t preachy much or boring (mash preached but not every single time). Could they make All in the family again? Or boondocks?
Impossible to do All in the Family again after the TV TPTB had realized why it was popular with the viewers. Boondocks had been a no go after Aaron McGruder dared to very mildly criticized the Obamessiah in the fourth season. And was lucky the Boondocks just got not renewed/canceled instead of getting the full Bill Crosby treatment for not being an obedient house negro.
 
Things I’ve watched that came out recently.
Nobody- John wick but funnier.
Reacher- read the books, liked the show, disregarded whatever personal bullshit any of the actors believe in cause fuck you monkey- dance for me cause that’s what you’re paid for.
Godzilla minus one. A lot of people said it was exceptional including my friend who has seen every single Godzilla movie ever made so yea and it was good.

That’s about it. A few foreign made movies like Sisu but really it’s all shit. Cost versus return on modern cinema or shows isn’t worth it. I can still tell you all about the Ateam story arc, Miami vices story arc, MASH, etc etc. sure they were in some ways cheesy but they weren’t preachy much or boring (mash preached but not every single time). Could they make All in the family again? Or boondocks?
Sisu is essentially "Finnish guy makes Notsees suffer (even though Finland allied with National Socialists)". It makes no historical sense.

Also Reacher is pretty good, even if he is an agent for ZOG.
 
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Sisu is essentially "Finnish guy makes Notsees suffer (even though Finland allied with National Socialists)". It makes no historical sense.

Also Reacher is pretty good, even if he is an agent for ZOG.
Finland went neutral to slightly anti-Nazi (forged on them by the Soviets)

An over strength German platoon going ape shit on their retreat isn't outside the realm of possibility.
 
it doesn't help when the TV shows themselves are telling you black is white.
Wandavision tried to paint Wanda as the good guy but she is the baddie in any sane universe. she literally kidnaps an entire town and forces them to do her bidding in some fucked up sitcom where she has kids.
Woke media fails because Woke teaches that a person's virtue--or lack thereof--comes from their identity, not their actions. Girl-bosses like Rey in Star Wars or Rachel Zegler's Snow White aren't heroic because of what they do, but because of what they are: girls. Rey is just better than the boys as everything, including running the Millennium Falcon. She didn’t need training or experience, she was just naturally awesome because … girl. Meanwhile, Han Solo and Luke SKywalker get humiliated and denigrated. Any white male is pathetic, a failure, evil, stupid, toxic or some combination of the same. Meanwhile, the girl-boss protagonist is great because … girl.
 
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