حلال TranLord - Let me preface this by saying I like the idea of fucking dogs

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TranLord said:
tl;dr: its ok to like the fictional side of things (assuming this is real and not a passing "hmm i wonder") as long as you understand completely that fantasy =/= reality, do not consume or partake in the real life acts as that is abuse and makes you a cunt of the highest degree
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There’s the rub, isn’t it? At what point do thoughts translate into action and fantasies become reality? Is it acceptable to have fictional works that cater to taboo fetishes?

There’s a whole discussion to be had about that, but not in a lolcow thread. Your point has been lost in a sea of ‘oh god why did you admit to liking bestiality’.
 
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Chained Divinity said:
Also, I find a lot of the ideas behind the concept that minors can't consent to be pretty damn offensive and debatable, but...
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Okay. Does anyone ELSE have anything utterly horrific to say?

Since this seems to be the thread for it and all. What the motherfucking fuck is this shit?
 
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I do! At least, something that could be construed poorly.

I agree with the point that OP is trying to make, at the very least. You wanna look at weird drawn shit, go ahead, your choices and there's nothing wrong with it, as long as it's legal.

However, there's a key thing people seem to be forgetting here. It's that for the love of god, keep it to yourself. (Pardon if you produce such drawings at a not terrible quality, but even then you should save it for an appropriate setting)
 
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lurkermouse said:
There’s the rub, isn’t it? At what point do thoughts translate into action and fantasies become reality? Is it acceptable to have fictional works that cater to taboo fetishes?

There’s a whole discussion to be had about that, but not in a lolcow thread. Your point has been lost in a sea of ‘oh god why did you admit to liking bestiality’.
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I kept trying to write up my opinions on this but you basically hit the nail on the head. It's an extremely complicated subject.

There's also the issue of whether this qualifies as a sexuality rather than just a fetish. I honestly don't know enough about the subject to make that distinction (although I lean toward fetish).
 
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I'm really still quite amazed how little some people filter their thoughts and opinions before airing them. I mean there's a lot of people out there with weird kinks and that's fine and all, but you shouldn't go on a public forum and say you fancy a bit of dog's arse. I can't understand the thought process involved in saying something like that unless you're fucking with us.
 
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lolwut said:
Wait, so what exactly is offensive and detestable about laws put in place to protect children from predators?
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They assume minors can't make decisions about sex.

Not that it's impossible to just have outright nonconsensual sex with minors, by the way, but assigning a status to minors of unable to give consent basically paints them as lesser.

Animals are a bit of a different story, though, because you can't exactly ask, but...a minor can be asked. A minor can understand what is meant by sex, and understand the possible long-term consequences of sex. If the adult isn't a dick, they'll be able to get out of the situation if it turns out to be worse than what they expected (and adults can be dicks to other adults plenty easily).
 
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Chained Divinity said:
They assume minors can't make decisions about sex.

Not that it's impossible to just have outright nonconsensual sex with minors, by the way, but assigning a status to minors of unable to give consent basically paints them as lesser.

Animals are a bit of a different story, though, because you can't exactly ask, but...a minor can be asked. A minor can understand what is meant by sex, and understand the possible long-term consequences of sex. If the adult isn't a dick, they'll be able to get out of the situation if it turns out to be worse than what they expected (and adults can be dicks to other adults plenty easily).
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Before I freak out, when you say "minors" do you mean 17-year-olds or 5-year-olds?
 
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Chained Divinity said:
They assume minors can't make decisions about sex.

Not that it's impossible to just have outright nonconsensual sex with minors, by the way, but assigning a status to minors of unable to give consent basically paints them as lesser.

Animals are a bit of a different story, though, because you can't exactly ask, but...a minor can be asked. A minor can understand what is meant by sex, and understand the possible long-term consequences of sex. If the adult isn't a dick, they'll be able to get out of the situation if it turns out to be worse than what they expected (and adults can be dicks to other adults plenty easily).
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Can. Can is the key word. Not do, not always, can. Therefore it is implied that some (in fact it's arguable that most) don't understand. You could of course say the same for some adults, but they're not minors. So it's more on them if they remain ignorant of those consequences. You can ask a minor if they want to go to the fucking moon for a little swim and I'll bet alot of little kids would say yes. "Can ask" and "can understand" are not the fucking same.
 
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lolwut said:
Can. Can is the key word. Not do, not always, can. Therefore it is implied that some (in fact it's arguable that most) don't understand. You could of course say the same for some adults, but they're not minors. So it's more on them if they remain ignorant of those consequences. You can ask a minor if they want to go to the fucking moon for a little swim and I'll bet alot of little kids would say yes. "Can ask" and "can understand" are not the fucking same.
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When you say "little", how little do you mean? I don't think even most 12 year olds would say yes to that.

And why are adults treated differently when even the actual reason for the different treatment isn't even present? That kind of proves how biased a position that is.
 
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Chained Divinity said:
When you say "little", how little do you mean? I don't think even most 12 year olds would say yes to that.

And why are adults treated differently when even the actual reason for the different treatment isn't even present? That kind of proves how biased a position that is.
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Because adults have a fully developed brain and more life experience, that's why. And if you meant teens, then you should've said that. "Minors" implies anyone who isn't of adult age. Not that that changes anything.
 
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Chained Divinity said:
And why are adults treated differently when even the actual reason for the different treatment isn't even present? That kind of proves how biased a position that is.
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Teenagers do stupid shit. All of them. Even the "mature" ones. It's part of the experience of growing up. Teens are pretty much hard-wired to take risks and strike out because it's how they establish their independence as human beings. So yes, though they can say yes to having sex with an adult, does that make it right? Who is the burden of consent on? A teen taking a stupid risk because that's what teenagers do, or an adult with a fully-developed brain who's taking advantage of that naivete and KNOWS it?

You're on a dangerous slope. Again, even without the moral debate, the legal line exists for a reason.
 
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