Trolling Ethics Debate Thread

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I personally wouldn't and can't troll anyone, up to and including mischief at the saga level. I am not clever or dedicated enough to commit to something like that. I think it can be malicious and cruel, but I can't complain with the results, they are entertaining. Every action has a consequence, and I am not the one doing the trolling. There is nothing wrong with watching nascar just for the wrecks. I think the same thing about observing lolcows.
 
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Trolling is bad, inherently. Nice people don't do it. It's not a huge deal though, it's bad the way that drinking underage or teenagers fucking on mom's bed during school hours is. People are drawn to trolling Chris because he's convinced he's entitled to fame and authority. He can't drop that aspect of himself and he constantly humiliates himself unintentionally when he tries to exert his perceived social status. That's not going to ever change, people are shitty and always have been. Chris will always get trolled, fooled, swindled, bamboozled and hoodwinked. This is why he's on Government assistance. He's our broken toy and sometimes he's played with too rough.
 
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CatParty said:
why not in the air of transparency we have here, you take it to the public
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Agreed, if you want to know what the Top Secret Inner Circle You Gaiz OMG thread is like, the one thats about you, I'll gladly tell you: it's about how much of an autist you are and about how you are a terrible poster and contribute exactly nothing to the conversation (exactly like i'm doing hurrrrrrr). Not just this one: every conversation I've ever seen you in, just like Null said, you make it about you in the worst way.

You aren't Sweetie but man sometimes you sound like him, and thats all I got to say about that.
 
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P-Logic said:
I was referring to a post you made before when you were discussing this. You said that you "got a kick out of encouraging him to flirt the skirt" or words to that effect. What is that if it isn't encouraging him to humiliate himself?

I'm sure you genuinely did want to help Chris, but this wasn't altruism. The idea was that you'd help him, but he'd pay you back in laughs at his expense. That doesn't work.
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There's a nifty thing on this site called being able to link to quotes from other threads, so some evidence might be great.

But either way your behavior on this thread is usually why the mods end up locking most of the threads on discussion, because it ends up being either a lot of sperging or poop flinging.
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That's not the case. There's nothing funny about that.

As for everything else you said, let's take the conversation to PM. I'll hold off from posting again until you tell me you're fine with it.
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You seem to have more of a problem with the entire board, not just Null, so why don't you tell us how horrible we are.
 
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Marvin said:
However, I want to point out that those troll attempts were entered in with good intentions and obviously no one foresaw how it'd turn out. Something to keep in mind is that there's no overlap with malicious weens and successful trolls. Successful trolls might end up with shitty results, but they don't go into trolling with shitty intentions.
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What was the good intention behind the attempts to convince Chris that his beloved high school friends only tolerated him out of pity and or encouragement from school officials? I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, I'm genuinely curious. Because of all the weird, stupid and unhealthy things Chris does on a regular basis, acting out cherished high school memories with Lego doppelgangers of past acquaintances (or making up new ones that don't exactly jive with reality) is pretty tame, and impersonating people who haven't been a part of his life for well over a decade just to convince him that they never reciprocated his feelings strikes me as utterly mean-spirited, or at best sociopathically indifferent to his already fragile mental state.
 
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milkshark said:
Trolling is bad, inherently. Nice people don't do it. It's not a huge deal though, it's bad the way that drinking underage or teenagers fucking on mom's bed during school hours is. People are drawn to trolling Chris because he's convinced he's entitled to fame and authority. He can't drop that aspect of himself and he constantly humiliates himself unintentionally when he tries to exert his perceived social status. That's not going to ever change, people are shitty and always have been. Chris will always get trolled, fooled, swindled, bamboozled and hoodwinked. This is why he's on Government assistance. He's our broken toy and sometimes he's played with too rough.
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That's a poor analogy, you compared trolling to two things that people do that could have disastrous consequences -injury and death, in one case, and unplanned pregnancy and disease in the other. Additionally, I disagree with the idea Chris belongs to anyone. We don't own him, we can't say he has sufficient agency to protect himself and call him our pet simultaenously.

You're right about the rest, though. Chris's life would be a disaster, no matter what.
 
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What was the good intention behind the attempts to convince Chris that his beloved high school friends only tolerated him out of pity and or encouragement from school officials? I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, I'm genuinely curious. Because of all the weird, stupid and unhealthy things Chris does on a regular basis, acting out cherished high school memories with Lego doppelgangers of past acquaintances (or making up new ones that don't exactly jive with reality) is pretty tame, and impersonating people who haven't been a part of his life for well over a decade just to convince him that they never reciprocated his feelings strikes me as utterly mean-spirited, or at best sociopathically indifferent to his already fragile mental state.
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Barb told him the truth about his high school friends. He then became desperate to regain a friendship he never had. It was like the sonic's blue arms issue, but a lot more important.
 
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P-Logic said:
I don't doubt that Thetan had good intentions in part. Her attitude seemed to be "I can help Chris, and also have a bit of fun at his expense at the same time." The problem is that these two motives are pretty incompatible. For example, it's very admirable to encourage Chris to get out of the house and try to make some friends, but when you are simultaneously encouraging him to "embrace his feminine side" by dressing up in a grotesque way because you think it's funny, then you're negating the good effect of him getting out of the house. He's just going out of the house to be humiliated for the amusement of a troll, even though they had some good intentions at heart.
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All Jackie said was "embrace your feminine side" not "cross dress in Goodwill clothes for the rest of your life". Frankly, since nothing else suggested to Chris ever went through, I'm going to shrug off the whole Jackie thing as coincidence.
 
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MrTroll said:
What was the good intention behind the attempts to convince Chris that his beloved high school friends only tolerated him out of pity and or encouragement from school officials? I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, I'm genuinely curious. Because of all the weird, stupid and unhealthy things Chris does on a regular basis, acting out cherished high school memories with Lego doppelgangers of past acquaintances (or making up new ones that don't exactly jive with reality) is pretty tame, and impersonating people who haven't been a part of his life for well over a decade just to convince him that they never reciprocated his feelings strikes me as utterly mean-spirited, or at best sociopathically indifferent to his already fragile mental state.
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It was an ill-conceived attempt to get Chris "unstuck" from his past. I felt that his idealized relationship with the gal pals was unhealthy, and that he'd never make the effort to actually get out and make IRL friends as long as he had this fantasy to retreat into.

Would he have made an effort to get out into the LGBT community if this illusion hadn't been shattered? I'm not trying to claim credit or completely excuse what I did, but Chris did seem to be making more of an effort to get himself out there socially after the big gal pal reveal.

As I said, it was ill-conceived and, had I given the matter a little more thought, I probably wouldn't have gone there.
 
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Morbid Boredom said:
That's a poor analogy, you compared trolling to two things that people do that could have disastrous consequences -injury and death, in one case, and unplanned pregnancy and disease in the other. Additionally, I disagree with the idea Chris belongs to anyone. We don't own him, we can't say he has sufficient agency to protect himself and call him our pet simultaenously.

You're right about the rest, though. Chris's life would be a disaster, no matter what.
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Haha, I see your point although lots of people drink underage and have casual sex without consequence. You can get yourself into some deep shit doing either, much like you can if a trolling effort backfires. If someone were to be publicly exposed for being cruel and deceptive to an autistic person on disability, I'm sure it would be pretty difficult to explain during a job interview or even to family members.
 
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champthom said:
Personally, I think the best way to troll Chris is to not troll Chris at all.
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This has been said over and over again. But is anybody listening?

@skyraider91 said:"The Chandlers frustrate me sometimes..." They frustrate everybody sometimes, but frustration is part of life in the human community. Try to step back and take a lighter perspective; your blood pressure will thank you.

"...I've materially helped the Chandlers to some extent since the fire." A lot of us have, but a gift should be freely given with NO expectations attached to it. This principle, firmly held, will prevent much disappointment and frustration. In dealing with autistics, you should leave your ego and expectations at the door. It will save you frustration.
I think you personally know the Chandlers, and that in reality, you care about them, and that's why you vent at their self-imposed troubles? You cannot help them, Skyraider. What will be, will be.
 
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