Opinion Trump seeks to make it easier for people with mental illnesses to be involuntarily committed - Critics say the approach, aimed at ending homelessness, lacks sufficient evidence

by: O. Rose Broderick

President Trump wants to make it easier to involuntarily treat people with serious mental illnesses as part of a bid to end homelessness across the United States, according to a new order signed Thursday.

The administration wants to expand involuntary commitments by reversing judicial policies that restrict the use of the controversial approach and by providing grants, legal advice, and other assistance to local and state governments. The order also directs several agencies, including the Department of Health and Human Services, to audit grant recipients to ensure no money flows to organizations that promote policies that clash with the administration’s stated values.

While some studies have found that involuntary commitments are already increasing, the practice would grow dramatically if the changes laid out in the order come to pass. The effort is the latest push by the administration to move unhoused people off the street and into private psychiatric hospitals and facilities. Critics say the campaign is aimed at moving unhouse people outside of the public eye.

“By removing vagrant criminals from our streets and redirecting resources toward substance abuse programs, the Trump Administration will ensure that Americans feel safe in their own communities and that individuals suffering from addiction or mental health struggles are able to get the help they need,” said White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt.

Many public health professionals believe that involuntary commitment should be used as a last resort, if it is used at all. They suggested that involuntary treatment lacks sufficient evidence for its expansion and would only dissuade individuals from seeking care.

“Simply locking people up is not a solution,” said Jennifer Mathis, deputy director for the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law. “The order’s directive to agencies to seek opportunities to overturn basic protections against arbitrary commitment is shocking. At a time when the federal government is making historic cuts to Medicaid and housing, it is particularly absurd to invest resources warehousing people in institutions.”

While it is unclear precisely how the White House plans to enact these actions, it instructs federal agencies to crack down on public drug use, urban camping, and loitering. It also directs Attorney General Pam Bondi to potentially pursue legal action against organizations that run supervised drug consumption sites. Harm reduction programs will also be deprioritized.

One of the biggest changes would be a shift away from a “housing first” approach to homelessness pursued by the Biden administration. These policies have shown remarkable success over treatment-first models in helping unhoused populations stay off the street and reduce the level of care they require. The Department of Housing and Urban Development would also be required to force organizations to collect federal health information from unhoused people who receive services and share such data with law enforcement officials.

Some experts suggest these initiatives were not developed in consultation with other federal officials, including public health professionals at the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the agency that has traditionally overseen relevant policy recommendations and grantmaking.

Under the order, to get people off the street, local and state officials are supposed to prioritize involuntary outpatient treatments, even though a recent Government Accountability Office report found that involuntary outpatient treatments were not necessarily as effective as proponents claimed.

“Trump’s actions to expand involuntary treatment and long-term institutionalization set us back decades to the days of warehousing people in back hospital wards instead of providing care back home,” said Paolo del Vecchio, a former SAMHSA executive officer.

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They suggested that involuntary treatment lacks sufficient evidence for its expansion and would only dissuade individuals from seeking care.
Letting them roam free is clearly not working. Why continue it?

When a program/proposal goes against the progressive agenda, you need 50 years of meticulous studies with sample sizes in the hundreds of thousands before you can even discuss implementing it.

When the progressives want something done all they need to do is cry and whine about 'compassion.'
 
I realize this board is not a popular place to put this out there, but a lot of decent, well-loved individuals struggle with lifelong mental illness.
Apart from the edgelord kiwis I don't think it's controversial to say that people who need help can and should receive it. It's just that after the 245th article about how Sally spent a month in the ER (on our dime) to get her heart fixed after her last fent OD, then went out and was sucking dick thirty minutes later to get her next dose of it, I've concluded that there is no help for some people. If Sally can be cleaned up and get a new start on life by shipping her off to a facility, great, but if she needs to spend the remainder of her life in an 8x8 cube to not be a blight on an otherwise-nice town, then so be it.
 
Actually, all forms of involuntary commitment should be made 100 percent illegal. The government should have no right to imprison you for no reason for you committing no crimes, just other people into prison when they commit crimes. Simple as that.
I mostly agree. Involuntary "treatment" of someone who refuses (unless the patient made some kind of prior directive when sane) should be illegal. I think involuntary sedation should be allowed if the patient is becoming violent.
I have no problem with a hospice model, though. If they want to refuse "help" that's fine, they need a campground where they aren't causing sanitation and petty crime problems for everyone else. Also, I believe that a fair number are not mentally ill but severely personality disordered and not good candidates for "treatment" (which realistically will just be prescribed drugs).
 
I mostly agree. Involuntary "treatment" of someone who refuses (unless the patient made some kind of prior directive when sane) should be illegal. I think involuntary sedation should be allowed if the patient is becoming violent.
I have no problem with a hospice model, though. If they want to refuse "help" that's fine, they need a campground where they aren't causing sanitation and petty crime problems for everyone else. Also, I believe that a fair number are not mentally ill but severely personality disordered and not good candidates for "treatment" (which realistically will just be prescribed drugs).
I think involuntary holds as they are right now are pretty appropriate, and a couple modifications would be fine.

1. 72 hour holds for danger to self or others- this has saved countless lives. Sometimes a person is just going through shit and needs a cool down period where they will be stopped from doing anything rash.

2. Extended treatment holds after a serious diagnosis is made- this can really help stabilize people enough to have a fighting chance at sticking to a treatment plan and succeeding at long term improvement.

3. Criminal related holds- hold someone facing trial long enough for meds to kick in, then off to regular jail. Or hold someone indefinitely if they succeed in an insanity plea.

I could see a "chronic recidivist hold" being useful- frequent flyer with substance problems, homeless, nuisance to the public, long rap sheet- ok out of luck bro time to go live on something like a plantation or old fashioned poor farm.

We already desperately need more beds for long term voluntary care- residential units kind of like assisted living or a group home, where people are giving more autonomy but also a lot of structure and safety. But that would not be appropriate for most street pirates.
 
I always struggle to tell what is Trump's PR team and what is trying to smear him.

" hey kids look he is locking up the violently insane!"

Mean... that's good? Why would you draw attention to your opponents good deeds..?
It's funny because the people crying the most about mental health facilities not being available were the left and now that Trump wants to bring them back they suddenly hate them. We need to get Trump to claim breathing is important
 
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Surely this won't be used against people critical of Trump or his Israeli masters! :story:
 
Greatest argument for institution would be daniel larson or that hatchet killer homeless guy.
Larson habitually goes to jail over believing every person that tells him that the local restaurant is mocking him or some schizo shit. Hatchet guy would roam around the country looking for drugs while shitting and pissing in public.

Someone like Chris Chan I think could be given a tard handler and avoid being put up in a loony bin.
 
Greatest argument for institution would be daniel larson or that hatchet killer homeless guy.
Larson habitually goes to jail over believing every person that tells him that the local restaurant is mocking him or some schizo shit. Hatchet guy would roam around the country looking for drugs while shitting and pissing in public.

Someone like Chris Chan I think could be given a tard handler and avoid being put up in a loony bin.
Josh Block (WorldofTshirts) is another one who probably needs to be locked up for his own good too, before he kills himself or hurts somebody's kid. Block's nutty enough to like throw a stroller in traffic because he thinks the mom is alogging him.
 
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It's funny because the people crying the most about mental health facilities not being available were the left and now that Trump wants to bring them back they suddenly hate them. We need to get Trump to claim breathing is important
They don't actually want to help homeless schizos. They want gibs and grants for their nonprofits to embezzle while using innocent widdle unhoused Lovely Humans as attack dogs.
 
They don't actually want to help homeless schizos. They want gibs and grants for their nonprofits to embezzle while using innocent widdle unhoused Lovely Humans as attack dogs.
I remember reading something like 90% of the money that goes into homeless programs in California just straight up disappears with no accountability whatsoever.
 
Also, someone who's had to get people out of mental health institutions after they decided to voluntarily commit themselves. It is a fucking pain in the ass. Seriously, mental health facility should not have the right to imprison people. If you, especially if you voluntarily commit yourself, you should be able to voluntarily leave the next day.
The worst is the for profit ones who are literally just doing it for money. That's disgusting.
 
“Trump’s actions to expand involuntary treatment and long-term institutionalization set us back decades to the days of warehousing people in back hospital wards instead of providing care back home,” said Paolo del Vecchio, a former SAMHSA executive officer.
There is nobody providing them care back home, that's the problem. The average American family is not capable of handling a severe psychiatric case in their family. That's why we have professionals in the first place.
We will lose Mike at the cost of feeling like we are "doing something" about the other guys, all while not actually doing anything substantive about any of it.
I understand your point about sacrificing resources (that Mike could use to recover) on Chico Joe the homeless meth addict, who is never going to get better.

But in reality, Mike, as a formerly useful member of society, is going to have insurance. They're not going to toss Mike into a Medicaid den seething with local gang members and crack whores. He'll go to the nicer hospital where the middle class people go. They're going to build seperate facilities for Shaniqua and Chico Joe, and pour a lot more money into mental health facilities, some of which might trickle down into Mike's treatment too. Mike's life might actually get a little better once Shaniqua and Chico Joe are moved out of the traditional facility, where Mike is, and into the Special Homeless Druggie Task Force Concentration Camp. So imho it's not 100% grim for poor Mike.
 
But in reality, Mike, as a formerly useful member of society, is going to have insurance. They're not going to toss Mike into a Medicaid den seething with local gang members and crack whores. He'll go to the nicer hospital where the middle class people go.
Not how it works.

There are X number of adult psych beds in your city and they are not divided between "medicaid" and "not medicaid." You have a state hospital that is for either criminal cases or people who have been chronically ill for many years (very difficult to get anyone placed in that latter side.) If a hospital takes Medicaid (they pretty much all do) they can take your meth bums. And then it's triaged based on acuity. There is no special bonus round where good guys get to go somewhere nice. If you know the system well, you can position yourself in such a way that makes it more likely to get in there. But absolutely no such guarantee exists.

(If Mike has to retire from the Symphony or go on a long leave or SSDI, he will also become a Medicaid patient, by the way.)

If you want to change that, change it now, rather than waiting until the situation for sympathetic cases gets even worse.
 
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