Twihards

[Saney]

...at the end she became a little more smart, but the female characters are very weak in that story. Westley is brave and smart and fights, Buttercup is just beautiful , it's her only thing, her brain means nothing, her personality means nothing to him, they have the kind of love where they can't live without each other. It's not a great example to me,

Says Stephanie Meyer, most successful writer about co-dependant relationships that border on the psychotic.

I maintain that Bella Swan would be a good villain. Seriously, she's a complete bitch and I'll explain why when I get time/if anyone expresses an interest in hearing my thoughts.

Oooh, I wanna hear!

 

[CatParty]

no joke, i am invited to a twilight themed wedding this coming october

 

[Saney]

no joke, i am invited to a twilight themed wedding this coming october

Oh, you poor guy. Promise me you won't die or get converted into one of them?

 

[CatParty]

no joke, i am invited to a twilight themed wedding this coming october

Oh, you poor guy. Promise me you won't die or get converted into one of them?

i'm now questioning the judgement of my friends. but i'll take pics. the only theme i care about at weddings is "open bar"

 

[spaps]

This word Twihards keep using, I do not think it means what they think it means.

Oh God, your quote reminded meof something. Behold, SMeyer's thoughts on The Princess Bride...

Actually, Bella and Edward's love story is better than them. When I was in college, I wrote a lot of papers from a feminine perspective (it's an easy way to write) on the Princess Bride. Buttercup is an idiot and it doesn't bother anyone, all that matters is that she's beautiful.

The sheer arrogance and hypocrisy she displays right right there in that quote is astonishing. My God, how dumb is she?

>calls heroine of a popular movie an idiot
>own heroine has no personality
>genius

 

[Saney]

This word Twihards keep using, I do not think it means what they think it means.

Oh God, your quote reminded meof something. Behold, SMeyer's thoughts on The Princess Bride...

Actually, Bella and Edward's love story is better than them. When I was in college, I wrote a lot of papers from a feminine perspective (it's an easy way to write) on the Princess Bride. Buttercup is an idiot and it doesn't bother anyone, all that matters is that she's beautiful.

The sheer arrogance and hypocrisy she displays right right there in that quote is astonishing. My God, how dumb is she?

>calls heroine of a popular movie an idiot
>own heroine has no personality
>genius

According to SMeyer, Bella has a personality because she said so, so there. I told a bunch of Twihards once that Bella was't mature just because SMeyer said so, and their response was that it was just my opinion, despite the fact that no, Bella is really immature. You just have to read the damn books to see that.

 

[A Random]

I have never met a skinny Twilight fan. Just putting that out there.

I have. Actual hot girls, over the age of 21, who thought this crap was so romantic.

...I'd rather stick to the das-sporking reviews. They're very brutal but true.

 

[Saney]

I have never met a skinny Twilight fan. Just putting that out there.

I have. Actual hot girls, over the age of 21, who thought this crap was so romantic.

...I'd rather stick to the das-sporking reviews. They're very brutal but true.

What exactly is romantic about emotional abuse, victim blaming and stalking? How is that hot?
Also, fuck yeah Das-Sporking.

 

[Henry Bemis]

But wait, there's more (Unfortunatley)!

...at the end she became a little more smart, but the female characters are very weak in that story. Westley is brave and smart and fights, Buttercup is just beautiful , it's her only thing, her brain means nothing, her personality means nothing to him, they have the kind of love where they can't live without each other. It's not a great example to me,

Fuck you SMeyer, fuck you hard.

I'm guessing that like Chris, she slept through all of her classes. That or she's just an idiot, one or the other.

Not really an idiot, but a Mormon housewife, for whom an education is a novelty for those non-cooking, non-pregnant times of day.

 

[mendoza]

One thing the loveshies got right.

 

[Bugaboo]

Meyer really doesn't get that the Princess Bride (film) is supposed to be a comedy-adventure film with Buttercup being the one who sets the plot in motion and the conflict revolves around her. She's not really the main character we focus on her until Wesley comes back and then most of the focus is on him.

 

[Judge Holden]

...at the end she became a little more smart, but the female characters are very weak in that story. Westley is brave and smart and fights, Buttercup is just beautiful , it's her only thing, her brain means nothing, her personality means nothing to him, they have the kind of love where they can't live without each other. It's not a great example to me,

Says Stephanie Meyer, most successful writer about co-dependant relationships that border on the psychotic.

I maintain that Bella Swan would be a good villain. Seriously, she's a complete bitch and I'll explain why when I get time/if anyone expresses an interest in hearing my thoughts.

I think we should hear this, but only if I can chime in afterwards with my own furious rant on how much of a sociopathic shit Bella is, and just how her actions and thoughts reflect on Smeyer as a person given Bella is her avatar.

We can make it like the "Dueling Banjos" of enraged snark

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

Are we actually quite sure that that description of The Princess Bride and not some kind of joke? Because I mean, my understanding of Twilight is pretty limited, but that description sounds like literally exactly like what I understand Twilight to be.

 

[CWCissey]

OK guys, back.

Bella Swan would be a great villain because:

• She's a sociopath, she uses Edward and Jacob (an actually sympathetic character I may add!) to make herself feel good
  
• She's a slag because she throws herself at Edward, even though he warned her off and for no good reason besides he looks at her funny
  
• She essentially starts a war between the vampires and the werewolves and just stands there and watches, only deciding she's not worth it halfway through, no attempt was made at being diplomatic it was all 'let's see if Sparkles and Allergic To Shirts will kill each other!'
  
• No emotion is ever shown, sure sign of a sociopath
  
• When Edward (rightfully) leaves Bella she goes all emo and tries killing herself for attention
  
• Even after accepting Edward's proposal, she snogs Jacob
  
• Complete bitch to her long suffering dad (the other sympathetic character!), not telling him where she's been, where all the cuts, bruises and HUMAN bite marks came from.
  
• I'm not even sure that the Cullen's and Mustache Dad met before the wedding you know.
  
• Bases her own life around Edward. You're an undead creature of the night now, why spend it being a sex slave/housewife? BETTER YOURSELF. I don't think we even get to hear about her hopes and dreams
  
• Unleashing this fucking horror on us:
  
  
  
  
• Essentially causing a vampire civil war by having sex WITHOUT FUCKING PROTECTION THEN WONDERING HOW THE FUCK SHE GOT PREGNANT! SERIOUSLY, FUCK YOU FOR THAT ONE STEPHANIE MEYER, FUCK YOU UP THE ARSE WITH A GARDEN RAKE SIDEWAYS!
  
• For attempting to normalise this sort of behaviour to an entire generation of drooling, window licking girls who have no idea about such things.

 

[Judge Holden]

I see your rant, and I raise you a fucktonne of rage

- She's a sociopath, she uses Edward and Jacob (an actually sympathetic character I may add!) to make herself feel good

She is also the most spineless and degenerate hypocrite known to fiction. She specifically spits upon any "mere" human who dares eye her pet vampire, or any other vampire up, and views pretty much EVERY character, human, vampire, werewolf, as an accessory to make her wank fantasy come true, no matter what they suffer

- She's a slag because she throws herself at Edward, even though he warned her off and for no good reason besides he looks at her funny

She is only attracted to Edward in the first place because she thinks he is "special" and is desperate to make herself "special". All while mocking any other person who tries to do this.

- She essentially starts a war between the vampires and the werewolves and just stands there and watches, only deciding she's not worth it halfway through, no attempt was made at being diplomatic it was all 'let's see if Sparkles and Allergic To Shirts will kill each other!'

She also feels she is naturally entitled to be protected and pandered to by both groups above and beyond all other humans.

- No emotion is ever shown, sure sign of a sociopath

Oh she shows emotion. In her internal monologues we see just how much of a spiteful, bitter, ungrateful, and self important little cuntbag she is, and how far she views herself above mere mortals

- When Edward (rightfully) leaves Bella she goes all emo and tries killing herself for attention

Which further demonstrates just how little her human friends and family mean to her. Once her one chance at becoming part of the "super special and cool" vampire clique is lost, she has no purpose in existing.

- Even after accepting Edward's proposal, she snogs Jacob

She wants Jacob to continue being her manslave, and knows that stringing him along will accomplish this

- Complete bitch to her long suffering dad (the other sympathetic character!), not telling him where she's been, where all the cuts, bruises and HUMAN bite marks came from.

She also responds to him getting her a van, trying to connect with her and take care of her when she gets an emo-attack, and basically be a good Dad to her, by engaging in hysterical self pitying monologues over how "lame" and pathetic he is, and how clueless he is on everything despite refusing to tell him anything

- I'm not even sure that the Cullen's and Mustache Dad met before the wedding you know.

I honestly doubt he ever saw bella again after she got her "happy ever after"

- Bases her own life around Edward. You're an undead creature of the night now, why spend it being a sex slave/housewife? BETTER YOURSELF. I don't think we even get to hear about her hopes and dreams

Actually she bases her life entirely around herself, in a sociopathic persuit of "specialness", wealth, and status as the most sthuper special of all sthuper special vampires. Edward is just the meat who does all the work and heavy lifting for this. She does not better herself because she honestly thinks she is entitled to have the world bend over backwards to grant her the lofty position she thinks is hers by right

- Unleashing this fucking horror on us:

And also happily allowing Jacob to groom her for sex once it becomes clear he will continue to be her manslave

- Essentially causing a vampire civil war by having sex WITHOUT FUCKING PROTECTION THEN WONDERING HOW THE FUCK SHE GOT PREGNANT! SERIOUSLY, FUCK YOU FOR THAT ONE STEPHANIE MEYER, FUCK YOU UP THE ARSE WITH A GARDEN RAKE SIDEWAYS!

She also never bats an eye to the carnage on mere humans, and even happily accepts it when her pawns manage to rally an army of non-vegetarian vampires to be her bodyguards, with the sole caveat that they go "out of town" to commit mass murder

- For attempting to normalise this sort of behaviour to an entire generation of drooling, window licking girls who have no idea about such things.

And also for perpetuating the deeply unpleasant and harmful notion that all one needs to achieve is a super hot, rich, and "naturally" superior lover who will serve them in every way one desires so long as you are a "good girl" who follows his lead, and if you fail to achieve this you are utterly worthless as a human being

This type of thinking is also partly responsible (in my opinion) for the loveshys, since they, like bella, think they are both naturally superior in every way to others in their gender, and that they are divinely entitled to the hottest women they can imagine, and the world must bend over backwards to make this happen. As this never happens, they damn all women as "whores" for fucking up their wank fantasy and crawl under a rock (as bella did when dumped by edward) to weep about how unfair life is

 

[Saney]

OK guys, back.

Bella Swan would be a great villain because:

You make a lot of good points. There are a few I'd like I comment on though.

She's a sociopath, she uses Edward and Jacob (an actually sympathetic character I may add!) to make herself feel good

I don't really think Jacob can be seen as sympathetic, or at least, not entirely. He starts off sympathetic, back when he was just a bit character that Bella strung along, but after he fursploded, he took a turn for the worse. He became possessive, used emotional blackmail on Bella repeatedly (like in Eclipse when he tells her that either she leaves her Vampsicle for him or else he'll allow himself to get killed by vampires), repeatedly forced Bella to kiss him (at one point she breaks her hand when she tries to stop him and Jacophile gets all happy over it), allowed vampires to kill people because it means Bella will be safe, tried to force himself to imprint on Bella and planned to kill her disgusting mutant spawn as soon as she was out of the room.

When Edward (rightfully) leaves Bella she goes all emo and tries killing herself for attention

Actually, his reasons are kind of questionable. He says that it's to protect her, but he knows that there's a psychotic vampire who'd love to bathe in Bella's blood running around (and of course, that makes her evil. God knows if she went around killing other people, that's be just fine). In a chapter that didn't make it into the book, he outright admitted that keeping Bella safe was getting too haaaaaaard, so he was going to go back anyway. Not to mention that Jasper came back too, and he was the one who attacked Bella in the first place.

I'm not even sure that the Cullen's and Mustache Dad met before the wedding you know.

To be...(ugh) fair, they did meet. Hell, Mustache Dad practically worships Dr. Acula (because who could resist a shiny, sparkly vampire with a serious God complex?).
Aside from those points, I completely agree with everything that you said. Especially your last post. I cannot get over joe horrible an influence Twilight is.

 

[A Random]

She's a sociopath, she uses Edward and Jacob (an actually sympathetic character I may add!) to make herself feel good

I don't really think Jacob can be seen as sympathetic, or at least, not entirely. He starts off sympathetic, back when he was just a bit character that Bella strung along, but after he fursploded, he took a turn for the worse. He became possessive, used emotional blackmail on Bella repeatedly (like in Eclipse when he tells her that either she leaves her Vampsicle for him or else he'll allow himself to get killed by vampires), repeatedly forced Bella to kiss him (at one point she breaks her hand when she tries to stop him and Jacophile gets all happy over it), allowed vampires to kill people because it means Bella will be safe, tried to force himself to imprint on Bella and planned to kill her disgusting mutant spawn as soon as she was out of the room.

Consider how much of these elements Jacob shares with Edward. It becomes a bit obvious that he turned into something more 'attractive' to Bella I MEAN Meyer and more fitting the role of love interest.

When Edward (rightfully) leaves Bella she goes all emo and tries killing herself for attention

Actually, his reasons are kind of questionable. He says that it's to protect her, but he knows that there's a psychotic vampire who'd love to bathe in Bella's blood running around (and of course, that makes her evil. God knows if she went around killing other people, that's be just fine). In a chapter that didn't make it into the book, he outright admitted that keeping Bella safe was getting too haaaaaaard, so he was going to go back anyway. Not to mention that Jasper came back too, and he was the one who attacked Bella in the first place.

But see, that vampire was just a *feeeemale* vampire, who couldn't match up to the *maaaaale* vampires. (Seriously, Meyer is horribly sexist: the whole point behind her stupid revenge plot doesn't even make sense.)

 

[Saney]

She's a sociopath, she uses Edward and Jacob (an actually sympathetic character I may add!) to make herself feel good

I don't really think Jacob can be seen as sympathetic, or at least, not entirely. He starts off sympathetic, back when he was just a bit character that Bella strung along, but after he fursploded, he took a turn for the worse. He became possessive, used emotional blackmail on Bella repeatedly (like in Eclipse when he tells her that either she leaves her Vampsicle for him or else he'll allow himself to get killed by vampires), repeatedly forced Bella to kiss him (at one point she breaks her hand when she tries to stop him and Jacophile gets all happy over it), allowed vampires to kill people because it means Bella will be safe, tried to force himself to imprint on Bella and planned to kill her disgusting mutant spawn as soon as she was out of the room.

Consider how much of these elements Jacob shares with Edward. It becomes a bit obvious that he turned into something more 'attractive' to Bella I MEAN Meyer and more fitting the role of love interest.

That really creeps me out. She seriously considers Edward (emotional abuse) and Jacob (physical abuse) to be her dream guys. Hell, she said that if either could somehow show up at her door, she'd immediate abandon her husband and kids for them. I have to wonder, if she could really experience a relationship with someone like Edward or Jacob, would she still want it?

When Edward (rightfully) leaves Bella she goes all emo and tries killing herself for attention

Actually, his reasons are kind of questionable. He says that it's to protect her, but he knows that there's a psychotic vampire who'd love to bathe in Bella's blood running around (and of course, that makes her evil. God knows if she went around killing other people, that's be just fine). In a chapter that didn't make it into the book, he outright admitted that keeping Bella safe was getting too haaaaaaard, so he was going to go back anyway. Not to mention that Jasper came back too, and he was the one who attacked Bella in the first place.

But see, that vampire was just a *feeeemale* vampire, who couldn't match up to the *maaaaale* vampires. (Seriously, Meyer is horribly sexist: the whole point behind her stupid revenge plot doesn't even make sense.)

No arguments there. It's pretty annoying tha the only strong women in this series are either eeeeevil or bitchy (and yet, Leah is still the best character in this series). Every other woman is an extreme doormat.

 

[CWCissey]

OK guys, back.

Bella Swan would be a great villain because:

You make a lot of good points. There are a few I'd like I comment on though.

She's a sociopath, she uses Edward and Jacob (an actually sympathetic character I may add!) to make herself feel good

I don't really think Jacob can be seen as sympathetic, or at least, not entirely. He starts off sympathetic, back when he was just a bit character that Bella strung along, but after he fursploded, he took a turn for the worse. He became possessive, used emotional blackmail on Bella repeatedly (like in Eclipse when he tells her that either she leaves her Vampsicle for him or else he'll allow himself to get killed by vampires), repeatedly forced Bella to kiss him (at one point she breaks her hand when she tries to stop him and Jacophile gets all happy over it), allowed vampires to kill people because it means Bella will be safe, tried to force himself to imprint on Bella and planned to kill her disgusting mutant spawn as soon as she was out of the room.

Totally agree here, I should have added that he was sympathetic before he went Jimmy Savile. (I was very drunk when I watched Eclipse)

 

[Fialovy]

The one thing about Bella going to college and marrying Edward instead... Getting married at a young age is actually very typical among Mormon women, they typically go to college to get MRS degrees and become housewives. Though some do eventually start careers, they are discouraged and those that still are determined to pursue one usually wait until their children are grown and Stephanie Meyer is Mormon, hmmmmm...

Infact, the whole thing of immortality and Bella wanting Edward for the immortality and angsting about getting older... That's another big thing about Mormons believeing marriage lasts an eternity, even in the after life if you get married in the secret temple rituals (which have been since leaked on the internet).

Sometimes I wonder if Meyer's faith and beliefs influenced some of her writings.

Many Twihards I know have moved onto 50 Shades unless they were very conservative or religious, otherwise, they usually either recognized how bad it was and just moved on or moved onto something else completely different.

Infact 50 Shades is very divided in the Twilight fandom, the more religious ones stay away from it since they have sex before marriage and he is abusive (which its weird that those who say that see that here, but don't see that in Twilight)while the others love it just because of the kinkiness (even though I have seen kinkier stuff and this is quite vanilla compared to it, but maybe not for those who think anything that's not missionary or cowgirl is kinky)