EU Ukrainian demands are testing European unity


This week, the European Union is slated to endorse a seventh package of sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been urging his diplomats “to do everything to strengthen” it. The package targets Russian gold exports and tweaks some sanctions to better align with similar measures imposed by the EU’s G7 partners.

The package also strengthens reporting requirements and seeks to improve compliance with the freezing of assets of individuals and entities that have already been sanctioned. And there are additions to the dual-use goods prohibited from being sold to Russia too.

But for Ukraine, these measures are simply not enough, and the rigidity of Kyiv’s demands is starting to test European unity.

Ukrainians continue to push for a gas embargo, of course, and they remain frustrated with the recent Canadian-German agreement to waive restrictions on a key component — a turbine — needed for Nord Stream, Russia’s natural gas pipeline running to Germany.

Brussels’ decision — again due to a German nudge — to lift restrictions on the transit of goods from Belarus and Russia to Kaliningrad, Russia’s exclave squeezed between Lithuania and the Baltic Sea, is also seen as another sign of Western capitulation.

Zelenskyy dubs any easing of restrictions or any ducking or refusal to go further on sanctions as weakness. “If a terrorist state can squeeze out such an exception to sanctions, what exceptions will it want tomorrow or the day after tomorrow?” he fumed in one of his nightly television addresses. “This question is very dangerous … not only for Ukraine, but also for all countries of the democratic world.”

He added: “The decision on the exception to sanctions will be perceived in Moscow exclusively as a manifestation of weakness.”

The Ukrainian leader and his aides fear Russia will use “General Winter” to test European governments even further, choking off gas supplies to European countries or, in a bid to secure concessions and other compromises, threatening to do so, possibly triggered by weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

And chances are, Putin will indeed grab the opportunity to squeeze Europe, aiming to chip away at the continent’s already fragile unity. Gas exports account for just 2 percent of Russia’s GDP and Russia has made good profits from sales already. “Europeans, with a far lower level of political pain endurance in the Kremlin’s view, will become divided, with this generating an irresistible drive to lift sanctions,” is how Moscow likely sees it, suggests Italian think tank Istituto Affari Internazionali.

As such, many European leaders reason, it is best to replenish stocks now while they have a chance, and not give Putin any excuse to cut off the gas later in the winter — that is if he opens the spigots once seasonal maintenance on Nord Stream 1 is completed.

But, arguably, it’s the stringent Ukrainian position regarding sanctions and trade with Russia that’s falling into a Kremlin trap.

Though Zelenskyy may be able to gauge Ukrainian public opinion accurately, there are signs that he’s increasingly misreading the changeable public mood in western and southern Europe, where leaders have their minds on shifting opinion polls, and householders and businesses are worried how they are going to survive a worsening cost-of-living squeeze that risks triggering a eurozone crisis.

The Ukrainian leader risks undermining the Continent’s unity and resolve by unrelentingly pushing for more economic warfare than European governments can actually deliver — that is if they don’t want to fall afoul of their own voters and shape the circumstances for a mighty backlash that erodes popular support for Ukraine.

Some European diplomats privately say Zelenskyy should tone down his censoriousness and entreaties. And in the past few days, several European leaders have publicly emphasized that it won’t benefit Ukraine if an already severe energy crisis turns even more brutal in the winter, possibly assisted by Putin strangling gas supplies.

Economically hard-pressed governments fear having to bail out utility companies, being forced to choose winners and losers among industrial sectors and firms because of rationing, or having to placate energy-starved and fearful householders.

And Ukraine’s demands are starting to frustrate some leaders who say Kyiv is seemingly failing to appreciate a key rule when it comes to sanctions — that they must have a greater impact on Russia than on the countries imposing them.

As Canada’s natural resources minister noted in an interview explaining why Ottawa decided to ship the repaired turbine: “The point of sanctions is not to hurt our allies, it is not to crater the German economy.”

Robert Habeck, Germany’s minister of economic affairs, has echoed the point, recently telling Bloomberg: “I will be the first to fight for another strong EU sanctions package, but strong sanctions must hurt Russia and Putin more than our economy.”

Yet, so far Kyiv’s only response has been to demand sanctions be intensified — seemingly still oblivious to how challenging it’s going to be for European leaders to sustain public support for Ukraine as prices soar. Zelenskyy worries about sanctions fatigue, but he should also worry about preoccupied western and southern Europeans losing patience and tuning out his entreaties.
 
Zelensky is trigger his J Card is not working outside of USA ? European states for all their Green And Multicultural retardation are still supposed to act in national interest, thats why they had to be tricked into believing the Green shit and the Brown shit, USA by contrast is involved in this as matter of Globalist ideology.

Nobody that isn't Ukrainian or Russian cares about this shitty war. The sane thing to do would be to stop with the gibs and let the best man win. Doubt NATO would want to lose their little toy in the eastern bloc though.

Eh plenty in Eastern Europe care but outside of ideological SLAVA UKRAINE dick sucking manipulation in media its mostly just Ukrainians being useful for fucking over Russia, its not love for Ukraine, just hate for Russia even then its countries like Poland or Czechia as compared to Slovakia and Hungary which hadnt been hit by globohomo so hard.
 
Zelensky is trigger his J Card is not working outside of USA ? European states for all their Green And Multicultural retardation are still supposed to act in national interest, thats why they had to be tricked into believing the Green shit and the Brown shit, USA by contrast is involved in this as matter of Globalist ideology.
USA is also involved to preserve the grifting hole of all its politicians.
 
Nobody that isn't Ukrainian or Russian cares about this shitty war. The sane thing to do would be to stop with the gibs and let the best man win. Doubt NATO would want to lose their little toy in the eastern bloc though.
They are getting weapons from the fucking '80s and 90's.

NLAWs are the only new thing they have gotten.
HIMARS is over 30 years old or so in their design, M77 is even older, and Javelins were being phased out by the US army well what TOY's are we talking about?.

The planes that will be sent are being replaced by the F45, so now Ukraine will have F15 and F16 that are from the 70's and 80's.
In Tanks, we are talking upgraded Leopard 2's and Abrahams but they are being phased in favor of new MBT from both sides.

We are literally giving away the old junk in the back of the garage for free, and still, the Russians are losing.
 
They are getting weapons from the fucking '80s and 90's.

NLAWs are the only new thing they have gotten.
HIMARS is over 30 years old or so in their design, M77 is even older, and Javelins were being phased out by the US army well what TOY's are we talking about?.

The planes that will be sent are being replaced by the F45, so now Ukraine will have F15 and F16 that are from the 70's and 80's.
In Tanks, we are talking upgraded Leopard 2's and Abrahams but they are being phased in favor of new MBT from both sides.

We are literally giving away the old junk in the back of the garage for free, and still, the Russians are losing.
Those slavniggers have taken over a quarter of Ukraine, solidified their currency, squeezed Europe into economic compromises during war sanctions, found alternative exporters in Asia and are pushing organisations like BRICS whose very purpose is to render the petrodollar obsolete. If that’s “losing” you should probably start getting medicated.
 
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Those slavniggers have taken over a quarter of Ukraine, solidified their currency, squeezed Europe into economic compromises during war sanctions, found alternative exporters in Asia and are pushing organisations like BRICS whose very purpose is to render the petrodollar obsolete. If that’s “losing” you should probably start get medicated.

It doesn't matter either way, it's not an option in or out decision.

Putin has attacked the sovereignty of most of the European nations in some manner. Be it terrorist attacks with Novichok in Britian or invasions of Ukraine.

A line has to be drawn somewhere, and a proxy war is a last ditch attempt to keep it there because nobody actually really wants to fight; not European leaders, not the Russian conscripts, not the Ukranians. Only Putin for the greater glory of Putin.

If the EU let Ukraine go, they'd just be fighting over him "liberating" another member state or ally from "Nazis" instead.

The only real question for Europeans is do they want limited skirmishes in Ukraine or would they like Putin to trigger Nato by attacking a member state and forcing them all to attack.
 
Forcing the Russia-China-India axis to survive on its own and fix the few remaining gaps in their supply chains to make trade with the Western World redundant seems... unwise. Frankly, we need them a lot more than they need us at this point.
USA is also involved to preserve the grifting hole of all its politicians.
I believe the correct term is "honey hole" or "economic bussy".
 
Those slavniggers have taken over a quarter of Ukraine, solidified their currency, squeezed Europe into economic compromises during war sanctions, found alternative exporters in Asia and are pushing organisations like BRICS whose very purpose is to render the petrodollar obsolete. If that’s “losing” you should probably start get medicated.
Hey, look an incel who doesn't know how anything about how the world and trade work and gets his news from pol.

Yes they have taken part in Ukraine, but they are also taking massive losses and having massive recruitment problems, they lack manufacturing as the Russian industry is trying to source for their industrial capacity. At the end of the day, my interest in Ukraine is that Russian subhuman filth dies and the Ukrainians are doing a good job in killing the Orcs.

Now for the geopolitical that is the fun part.

BRICS is fucking nothing, they keep pushing it. However, it has no power and no aligned influence.

Brazil has massive internal problems and only existed a recession, but with almost no growth and rising inflation.

India is doing well for itself, but heat waves, covid, and problems will dog the nation for now. Still in good shape, but there is a problem they are starting to have border disputes with CHINA another BRICK member and while they are friendly with Russia, they are also dependent on western investments. They want to keep Neutral and they are already taking full advantage of the weakening Russian state by getting super cheap energy resources and forcing the Russians to build more capacity out of the Russian pockets.

China, well that place is a fucking shit show waiting to happen and the only nation that is interested in timidly supporting Russia, but only in so far, it serves their own interests. The problem for China is that with the war in Russia, NATO has grown in strength and stronger Asian ties with Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea were created. This is a problem for China, because NATO can spread their sexy sexy tendrils to the rest of Asia, and the influence that China will have in the region will be limited. Plus then we also have massive economic problems hitting China with massive bank runs and issues.

Now for Russia. Their economy is fucked, now they can keep it going, for now, however, foreign investments are drying up, Instead, the Chinese will invest, but let's face it the Chinese only invest to further their own goals. Europeans and Americans invested to make money. Plus Russia is several generations behind in automation meaning their production to work hours are very low. Plus a demographic implosion that is only made worse with both Covid and now a war that will turn a lot of 20-30 years old into chunky salsa.

Plus this war could take years, all the while Europe will find new avenues of energy and develop techs. Germany is the big loser in all this, but they will bounce back as the fundamentals of their economy still works and Europe will lose some power, but people don't seem to understand HOW BIG the EU market is and what we make. At the end of the day, this is a temporary energy crisis in Europe, but they can then perform as before. Russia can no longer sell its main income-generating resources to the RICH states and they will now need to make infrastructure networks for new buyers, but because of corruption, it is expensive for them and they lack the outside investors who would lessen that burden.

The S is South Africa. HEHEHE.
Forcing the Russia-China-India axis to survive on its own and fix the few remaining gaps in their supply chains to make trade with the Western World redundant seems... unwise. Frankly, we need them a lot more than they need us at this point.

I believe the correct term is "honey hole" or "economic bussy".
How do we need them more?
 
Hey, look an incel who doesn't know how anything about how the world and trade work and gets his news from pol.

Yes they have taken part in Ukraine, but they are also taking massive losses and having massive recruitment problems, they lack manufacturing as the Russian industry is trying to source for their industrial capacity. At the end of the day, my interest in Ukraine is that Russian subhuman filth dies and the Ukrainians are doing a good job in killing the Orcs.

Now for the geopolitical that is the fun part.

BRICS is fucking nothing, they keep pushing it. However, it has no power and no aligned influence.

Brazil has massive internal problems and only existed a recession, but with almost no growth and rising inflation.

India is doing well for itself, but heat waves, covid, and problems will dog the nation for now. Still in good shape, but there is a problem they are starting to have border disputes with CHINA another BRICK member and while they are friendly with Russia, they are also dependent on western investments. They want to keep Neutral and they are already taking full advantage of the weakening Russian state by getting super cheap energy resources and forcing the Russians to build more capacity out of the Russian pockets.

China, well that place is a fucking shit show waiting to happen and the only nation that is interested in timidly supporting Russia, but only in so far, it serves their own interests. The problem for China is that with the war in Russia, NATO has grown in strength and stronger Asian ties with Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea were created. This is a problem for China, because NATO can spread their sexy sexy tendrils to the rest of Asia, and the influence that China will have in the region will be limited. Plus then we also have massive economic problems hitting China with massive bank runs and issues.

Now for Russia. Their economy is fucked, now they can keep it going, for now, however, foreign investments are drying up, Instead, the Chinese will invest, but let's face it the Chinese only invest to further their own goals. Europeans and Americans invested to make money. Plus Russia is several generations behind in automation meaning their production to work hours are very low. Plus a demographic implosion that is only made worse with both Covid and now a war that will turn a lot of 20-30 years old into chunky salsa.

Plus this war could take years, all the while Europe will find new avenues of energy and develop techs. Germany is the big loser in all this, but they will bounce back as the fundamentals of their economy still works and Europe will lose some power, but people don't seem to understand HOW BIG the EU market is and what we make. At the end of the day, this is a temporary energy crisis in Europe, but they can then perform as before. Russia can no longer sell its main income-generating resources to the RICH states and they will now need to make infrastructure networks for new buyers, but because of corruption, it is expensive for them and they lack the outside investors who would lessen that burden.

The S is South Africa. HEHEHE.

How do we need them more?
Too mad didn’t read.
 
Hey, look an incel who doesn't know how anything about how the world and trade work and gets his news from pol.

Yes they have taken part in Ukraine, but they are also taking massive losses and having massive recruitment problems, they lack manufacturing as the Russian industry is trying to source for their industrial capacity. At the end of the day, my interest in Ukraine is that Russian subhuman filth dies and the Ukrainians are doing a good job in killing the Orcs.

Now for the geopolitical that is the fun part.

BRICS is fucking nothing, they keep pushing it. However, it has no power and no aligned influence.

Brazil has massive internal problems and only existed a recession, but with almost no growth and rising inflation.

India is doing well for itself, but heat waves, covid, and problems will dog the nation for now. Still in good shape, but there is a problem they are starting to have border disputes with CHINA another BRICK member and while they are friendly with Russia, they are also dependent on western investments. They want to keep Neutral and they are already taking full advantage of the weakening Russian state by getting super cheap energy resources and forcing the Russians to build more capacity out of the Russian pockets.

China, well that place is a fucking shit show waiting to happen and the only nation that is interested in timidly supporting Russia, but only in so far, it serves their own interests. The problem for China is that with the war in Russia, NATO has grown in strength and stronger Asian ties with Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea were created. This is a problem for China, because NATO can spread their sexy sexy tendrils to the rest of Asia, and the influence that China will have in the region will be limited. Plus then we also have massive economic problems hitting China with massive bank runs and issues.

Now for Russia. Their economy is fucked, now they can keep it going, for now, however, foreign investments are drying up, Instead, the Chinese will invest, but let's face it the Chinese only invest to further their own goals. Europeans and Americans invested to make money. Plus Russia is several generations behind in automation meaning their production to work hours are very low. Plus a demographic implosion that is only made worse with both Covid and now a war that will turn a lot of 20-30 years old into chunky salsa.

Plus this war could take years, all the while Europe will find new avenues of energy and develop techs. Germany is the big loser in all this, but they will bounce back as the fundamentals of their economy still works and Europe will lose some power, but people don't seem to understand HOW BIG the EU market is and what we make. At the end of the day, this is a temporary energy crisis in Europe, but they can then perform as before. Russia can no longer sell its main income-generating resources to the RICH states and they will now need to make infrastructure networks for new buyers, but because of corruption, it is expensive for them and they lack the outside investors who would lessen that burden.

The S is South Africa. HEHEHE.

How do we need them more?

While Russian technology and economy do not seem to work in human hands, NATO's prewar assessments vastly underestimate Russian strength as they are very effective when suffused with waaaagh energy
 
I was wondering when Zelensky's constant bitching and biting the hand that feeds him would finally wear the EU down. The war's basically at a stalemate, Russia isn't completely collapsing, and the EU's gonna freeze come winter. How long till they tell him to fuck off and that the war needs to end so they can get that sweet sweet Russian gas supply?
 
Nobody that isn't Ukrainian or Russian cares about this shitty war. The sane thing to do would be to stop with the gibs and let the best man win. Doubt NATO would want to lose their little toy in the eastern bloc though.
Sane thing is to arm the Ukrainians and let Russia destroy itself, just like they did in Afghanistan.
 
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