EU Ukrainian demands are testing European unity


This week, the European Union is slated to endorse a seventh package of sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been urging his diplomats “to do everything to strengthen” it. The package targets Russian gold exports and tweaks some sanctions to better align with similar measures imposed by the EU’s G7 partners.

The package also strengthens reporting requirements and seeks to improve compliance with the freezing of assets of individuals and entities that have already been sanctioned. And there are additions to the dual-use goods prohibited from being sold to Russia too.

But for Ukraine, these measures are simply not enough, and the rigidity of Kyiv’s demands is starting to test European unity.

Ukrainians continue to push for a gas embargo, of course, and they remain frustrated with the recent Canadian-German agreement to waive restrictions on a key component — a turbine — needed for Nord Stream, Russia’s natural gas pipeline running to Germany.

Brussels’ decision — again due to a German nudge — to lift restrictions on the transit of goods from Belarus and Russia to Kaliningrad, Russia’s exclave squeezed between Lithuania and the Baltic Sea, is also seen as another sign of Western capitulation.

Zelenskyy dubs any easing of restrictions or any ducking or refusal to go further on sanctions as weakness. “If a terrorist state can squeeze out such an exception to sanctions, what exceptions will it want tomorrow or the day after tomorrow?” he fumed in one of his nightly television addresses. “This question is very dangerous … not only for Ukraine, but also for all countries of the democratic world.”

He added: “The decision on the exception to sanctions will be perceived in Moscow exclusively as a manifestation of weakness.”

The Ukrainian leader and his aides fear Russia will use “General Winter” to test European governments even further, choking off gas supplies to European countries or, in a bid to secure concessions and other compromises, threatening to do so, possibly triggered by weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

And chances are, Putin will indeed grab the opportunity to squeeze Europe, aiming to chip away at the continent’s already fragile unity. Gas exports account for just 2 percent of Russia’s GDP and Russia has made good profits from sales already. “Europeans, with a far lower level of political pain endurance in the Kremlin’s view, will become divided, with this generating an irresistible drive to lift sanctions,” is how Moscow likely sees it, suggests Italian think tank Istituto Affari Internazionali.

As such, many European leaders reason, it is best to replenish stocks now while they have a chance, and not give Putin any excuse to cut off the gas later in the winter — that is if he opens the spigots once seasonal maintenance on Nord Stream 1 is completed.

But, arguably, it’s the stringent Ukrainian position regarding sanctions and trade with Russia that’s falling into a Kremlin trap.

Though Zelenskyy may be able to gauge Ukrainian public opinion accurately, there are signs that he’s increasingly misreading the changeable public mood in western and southern Europe, where leaders have their minds on shifting opinion polls, and householders and businesses are worried how they are going to survive a worsening cost-of-living squeeze that risks triggering a eurozone crisis.

The Ukrainian leader risks undermining the Continent’s unity and resolve by unrelentingly pushing for more economic warfare than European governments can actually deliver — that is if they don’t want to fall afoul of their own voters and shape the circumstances for a mighty backlash that erodes popular support for Ukraine.

Some European diplomats privately say Zelenskyy should tone down his censoriousness and entreaties. And in the past few days, several European leaders have publicly emphasized that it won’t benefit Ukraine if an already severe energy crisis turns even more brutal in the winter, possibly assisted by Putin strangling gas supplies.

Economically hard-pressed governments fear having to bail out utility companies, being forced to choose winners and losers among industrial sectors and firms because of rationing, or having to placate energy-starved and fearful householders.

And Ukraine’s demands are starting to frustrate some leaders who say Kyiv is seemingly failing to appreciate a key rule when it comes to sanctions — that they must have a greater impact on Russia than on the countries imposing them.

As Canada’s natural resources minister noted in an interview explaining why Ottawa decided to ship the repaired turbine: “The point of sanctions is not to hurt our allies, it is not to crater the German economy.”

Robert Habeck, Germany’s minister of economic affairs, has echoed the point, recently telling Bloomberg: “I will be the first to fight for another strong EU sanctions package, but strong sanctions must hurt Russia and Putin more than our economy.”

Yet, so far Kyiv’s only response has been to demand sanctions be intensified — seemingly still oblivious to how challenging it’s going to be for European leaders to sustain public support for Ukraine as prices soar. Zelenskyy worries about sanctions fatigue, but he should also worry about preoccupied western and southern Europeans losing patience and tuning out his entreaties.
 
Amazing how the survival of the government of a country that isn't in the EU, isn't in NATO, isn't a keystone of anybody's economy, and has only existed for eight years, is an absolute, non-negotiable necessity for the survival of the free world. It's so preposterous, you would almost think there's some hidden motive.

Might be German leaders are seeing just what will happen if Germans can't keep warm in the winter.

Historically, what happens is they get rekt by Russians.
 
Hey, look an incel who doesn't know how anything about how the world and trade work and gets his news from pol.

Yes they have taken part in Ukraine, but they are also taking massive losses and having massive recruitment problems, they lack manufacturing as the Russian industry is trying to source for their industrial capacity. At the end of the day, my interest in Ukraine is that Russian subhuman filth dies and the Ukrainians are doing a good job in killing the Orcs.

Now for the geopolitical that is the fun part.

BRICS is fucking nothing, they keep pushing it. However, it has no power and no aligned influence.

Brazil has massive internal problems and only existed a recession, but with almost no growth and rising inflation.

India is doing well for itself, but heat waves, covid, and problems will dog the nation for now. Still in good shape, but there is a problem they are starting to have border disputes with CHINA another BRICK member and while they are friendly with Russia, they are also dependent on western investments. They want to keep Neutral and they are already taking full advantage of the weakening Russian state by getting super cheap energy resources and forcing the Russians to build more capacity out of the Russian pockets.

China, well that place is a fucking shit show waiting to happen and the only nation that is interested in timidly supporting Russia, but only in so far, it serves their own interests. The problem for China is that with the war in Russia, NATO has grown in strength and stronger Asian ties with Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea were created. This is a problem for China, because NATO can spread their sexy sexy tendrils to the rest of Asia, and the influence that China will have in the region will be limited. Plus then we also have massive economic problems hitting China with massive bank runs and issues.

Now for Russia. Their economy is fucked, now they can keep it going, for now, however, foreign investments are drying up, Instead, the Chinese will invest, but let's face it the Chinese only invest to further their own goals. Europeans and Americans invested to make money. Plus Russia is several generations behind in automation meaning their production to work hours are very low. Plus a demographic implosion that is only made worse with both Covid and now a war that will turn a lot of 20-30 years old into chunky salsa.

Plus this war could take years, all the while Europe will find new avenues of energy and develop techs. Germany is the big loser in all this, but they will bounce back as the fundamentals of their economy still works and Europe will lose some power, but people don't seem to understand HOW BIG the EU market is and what we make. At the end of the day, this is a temporary energy crisis in Europe, but they can then perform as before. Russia can no longer sell its main income-generating resources to the RICH states and they will now need to make infrastructure networks for new buyers, but because of corruption, it is expensive for them and they lack the outside investors who would lessen that burden.

The S is South Africa. HEHEHE.

How do we need them more?

Lol of Cousre PAJEET is gonna Upsell India Lol. Superpower by 2020 LOOOL. Go Shit in Ganga Brahmin.
 
While Russian technology and economy do not seem to work in human hands, NATO's prewar assessments vastly underestimate Russian strength as they are very effective when suffused with waaaagh energy

To be fair I think NATO is internally panicking a bit about Russians Embracing Orkiness, Bombing Civilians as retalation etc, Putting Nuclear pouch on the table and other shit, Basically Russia is saying. YEAH BITCH WAR IS ABOUT KILLING YOU WANNA RISK ME DRAGGING YOU DOWN WITH ME ? and Nato is bit of out element because they simply not use to people embracing THEY ARE KILLING OUR CHILDREN SO WE WILL KILL THEIRS WE DONT GIVE FUCK. for internat consuption, Russia is definitely not doing that in foreign propaganda but in domestic ? They are and ITS WORKING. Which is something that WTFs even me, i throught humans are too buck broken by modern society to be able to admit this shit to themselves.
 
Nobody that isn't Ukrainian or Russian cares about this shitty war. The sane thing to do would be to stop with the gibs and let the best man win. Doubt NATO would want to lose their little toy in the eastern bloc though.
Pollacks too, they managed to get so ass-blasted over this special operation that Elon Musk had to dodge pieces of blown up dupas on his way to orbit.
 
I hope Ukraine gets flattened, we have a lot of Ukrainian refugees here in my city and they are the most dumb, emotional disabled, idiots i have ever the misfortune of meeting. They are basically white niggers, very entitled and with the same lust for violence, rape and thieving....fuck them.
 
It doesn't matter either way, it's not an option in or out decision.

Putin has attacked the sovereignty of most of the European nations in some manner. Be it terrorist attacks with Novichok in Britian or invasions of Ukraine.

EU sanctions Russia: Just foreign policy, bro
Russia sanctions EU: THIS IS AN ATTACK ON OUR SOVEREIGNTY
 
Amazing how the survival of the government of a country that isn't in the EU, isn't in NATO, isn't a keystone of anybody's economy, and has only existed for eight years, is an absolute, non-negotiable necessity for the survival of the free world. It's so preposterous, you would almost think there's some hidden motive.


And there it is...

BERLIN, July 17 (Reuters) - The European Union can no longer afford to keep national vetoes when deciding on European Union foreign and security policy if it wants to maintain a leading role in global politics, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said.



Too much sovereignty in Europe guys, Brussels needs more power to make unilateral decisions.
 
Plus a demographic implosion that is only made worse with both Covid and now a war that will turn a lot of 20-30 years old into chunky salsa.
Are you retarded? Covid helps alot. it kills elderly people by the thousands while nobody in working shape has any big issues. that means alot of pension expenses will be saved.

EU expects Ukraine to fight its war to make Russia weaker and then acts surprise when they need to pay for it.
Nobody in europe wanted this war. its your Globohomo Clinton gang under Obama who started this shitshow. Obama and Clinton should be hung for their little maidan coup...

I was wondering when Zelensky's constant bitching and biting the hand that feeds him would finally wear the EU down. The war's basically at a stalemate, Russia isn't completely collapsing, and the EU's gonna freeze come winter. How long till they tell him to fuck off and that the war needs to end so they can get that sweet sweet Russian gas supply?
He is a god damn jew, he doesnt understand that part of human interaction.
 
Nobody in europe wanted this war. its your Globohomo Clinton gang under Obama who started this shitshow. Obama and Clinton should be hung for their little maidan coup...
Not that our Idea of trying to Integrate Russia via Economy was great idea either, It would have ended like with China Eventually, that being said before Ukraine Russia kind accepted that it will have Baltic States at the borders and was satisfied just with Ukraine and Belorussia, IE shortening the direct front and accepting short border with lack of strategic depth for deployment of more damaging weaponry rather than complete absence of NATO on Borders, so there was some willigness to make a deal.

I honestly dont know if it would have worked long term, but Yanks decided to disregard chance and make it into certanity that it wont work.
 
Hey, look an incel who doesn't know how anything about how the world and trade work and gets his news from pol.

Yes they have taken part in Ukraine, but they are also taking massive losses and having massive recruitment problems, they lack manufacturing as the Russian industry is trying to source for their industrial capacity. At the end of the day, my interest in Ukraine is that Russian subhuman filth dies and the Ukrainians are doing a good job in killing the Orcs.

Now for the geopolitical that is the fun part.

BRICS is fucking nothing, they keep pushing it. However, it has no power and no aligned influence.

Brazil has massive internal problems and only existed a recession, but with almost no growth and rising inflation.

India is doing well for itself, but heat waves, covid, and problems will dog the nation for now. Still in good shape, but there is a problem they are starting to have border disputes with CHINA another BRICK member and while they are friendly with Russia, they are also dependent on western investments. They want to keep Neutral and they are already taking full advantage of the weakening Russian state by getting super cheap energy resources and forcing the Russians to build more capacity out of the Russian pockets.

China, well that place is a fucking shit show waiting to happen and the only nation that is interested in timidly supporting Russia, but only in so far, it serves their own interests. The problem for China is that with the war in Russia, NATO has grown in strength and stronger Asian ties with Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea were created. This is a problem for China, because NATO can spread their sexy sexy tendrils to the rest of Asia, and the influence that China will have in the region will be limited. Plus then we also have massive economic problems hitting China with massive bank runs and issues.

Now for Russia. Their economy is fucked, now they can keep it going, for now, however, foreign investments are drying up, Instead, the Chinese will invest, but let's face it the Chinese only invest to further their own goals. Europeans and Americans invested to make money. Plus Russia is several generations behind in automation meaning their production to work hours are very low. Plus a demographic implosion that is only made worse with both Covid and now a war that will turn a lot of 20-30 years old into chunky salsa.

Plus this war could take years, all the while Europe will find new avenues of energy and develop techs. Germany is the big loser in all this, but they will bounce back as the fundamentals of their economy still works and Europe will lose some power, but people don't seem to understand HOW BIG the EU market is and what we make. At the end of the day, this is a temporary energy crisis in Europe, but they can then perform as before. Russia can no longer sell its main income-generating resources to the RICH states and they will now need to make infrastructure networks for new buyers, but because of corruption, it is expensive for them and they lack the outside investors who would lessen that burden.

The S is South Africa. HEHEHE.

How do we need them more?
Those Russian orcs who don't know what a toilet is continue to take more territory and the Aryan Ukrainians with Western weapons keep retreating. Truly fascinating.
 
Not that our Idea of trying to Integrate Russia via Economy was great idea either, It would have ended like with China Eventually
the russians mostly exported oil and gas and got last gen machines for that. alot of russian consumer products are made with western machines for the 90s, and there was even a market in europe for that stuff because it is different from more modern stuff.

I honestly dont know if it would have worked long term, but Yanks decided to disregard chance and make it into certanity that it wont work.
maybe it wouldnt have worked, but atleast we would have gone to economic war over something more useful than ukraine.
 
Not that our Idea of trying to Integrate Russia via Economy was great idea either, It would have ended like with China Eventually, that being said before Ukraine Russia kind accepted that it will have Baltic States at the borders and was satisfied just with Ukraine and Belorussia, IE shortening the direct front and accepting short border with lack of strategic depth for deployment of more damaging weaponry rather than complete absence of NATO on Borders, so there was some willigness to make a deal.

I honestly dont know if it would have worked long term, but Yanks decided to disregard chance and make it into certanity that it wont work.

Na, this was always coming, with the break up of the Soviet Union Russia lost most of it's strategic ports and it wants its hegemonic control of the Black Sea back so they can't be blockaded or back doored.
It's the same with China and Taiwan, which is going to have to kick off soon enough because without it the Chinks can never have hegemonic control of the South China Sea.
 
Sorry dudes, proxy war is over. Sanctions didn't work, they're out of ammo, Russia is just artying them forever. There's no more point, its time to sue for peace.
they are out of soldiers, not ammo, but thats waaay worse, Nato can always send more ammo, but there will be no western soldiers.
 
they are out of soldiers, not ammo, but thats waaay worse, Nato can always send more ammo, but there will be no western soldiers.
I mean everyone is thinking of the price of goods going apeshit, that everything is drastically more expensive and nobody is getting paid what they are owed, so "I SUPRT UKRAAINE YASS KQWWEEEN SLAY" doesn't work. That shit is old as fuck and over. The sanctions fucked up the global economy which, surprise, is why globalism is shit.

We pushed the East into a Russia-Sino alliance and made Ukraine suffer far more than it had too. All so defense contractors could stroke their cocks and see how their weapons preformed in the field. The 'narrative' is the most important thing, so look for them trying to spin this as a win somehow.

Nobody I know wants Russia to win, but they're tired of some random country getting aid while things are going to shit domestically. All people see are the government and corporations taking massive amounts of money and telling the plebs to shut the fuck up.
 
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