EU Ukrainian demands are testing European unity


This week, the European Union is slated to endorse a seventh package of sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been urging his diplomats “to do everything to strengthen” it. The package targets Russian gold exports and tweaks some sanctions to better align with similar measures imposed by the EU’s G7 partners.

The package also strengthens reporting requirements and seeks to improve compliance with the freezing of assets of individuals and entities that have already been sanctioned. And there are additions to the dual-use goods prohibited from being sold to Russia too.

But for Ukraine, these measures are simply not enough, and the rigidity of Kyiv’s demands is starting to test European unity.

Ukrainians continue to push for a gas embargo, of course, and they remain frustrated with the recent Canadian-German agreement to waive restrictions on a key component — a turbine — needed for Nord Stream, Russia’s natural gas pipeline running to Germany.

Brussels’ decision — again due to a German nudge — to lift restrictions on the transit of goods from Belarus and Russia to Kaliningrad, Russia’s exclave squeezed between Lithuania and the Baltic Sea, is also seen as another sign of Western capitulation.

Zelenskyy dubs any easing of restrictions or any ducking or refusal to go further on sanctions as weakness. “If a terrorist state can squeeze out such an exception to sanctions, what exceptions will it want tomorrow or the day after tomorrow?” he fumed in one of his nightly television addresses. “This question is very dangerous … not only for Ukraine, but also for all countries of the democratic world.”

He added: “The decision on the exception to sanctions will be perceived in Moscow exclusively as a manifestation of weakness.”

The Ukrainian leader and his aides fear Russia will use “General Winter” to test European governments even further, choking off gas supplies to European countries or, in a bid to secure concessions and other compromises, threatening to do so, possibly triggered by weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

And chances are, Putin will indeed grab the opportunity to squeeze Europe, aiming to chip away at the continent’s already fragile unity. Gas exports account for just 2 percent of Russia’s GDP and Russia has made good profits from sales already. “Europeans, with a far lower level of political pain endurance in the Kremlin’s view, will become divided, with this generating an irresistible drive to lift sanctions,” is how Moscow likely sees it, suggests Italian think tank Istituto Affari Internazionali.

As such, many European leaders reason, it is best to replenish stocks now while they have a chance, and not give Putin any excuse to cut off the gas later in the winter — that is if he opens the spigots once seasonal maintenance on Nord Stream 1 is completed.

But, arguably, it’s the stringent Ukrainian position regarding sanctions and trade with Russia that’s falling into a Kremlin trap.

Though Zelenskyy may be able to gauge Ukrainian public opinion accurately, there are signs that he’s increasingly misreading the changeable public mood in western and southern Europe, where leaders have their minds on shifting opinion polls, and householders and businesses are worried how they are going to survive a worsening cost-of-living squeeze that risks triggering a eurozone crisis.

The Ukrainian leader risks undermining the Continent’s unity and resolve by unrelentingly pushing for more economic warfare than European governments can actually deliver — that is if they don’t want to fall afoul of their own voters and shape the circumstances for a mighty backlash that erodes popular support for Ukraine.

Some European diplomats privately say Zelenskyy should tone down his censoriousness and entreaties. And in the past few days, several European leaders have publicly emphasized that it won’t benefit Ukraine if an already severe energy crisis turns even more brutal in the winter, possibly assisted by Putin strangling gas supplies.

Economically hard-pressed governments fear having to bail out utility companies, being forced to choose winners and losers among industrial sectors and firms because of rationing, or having to placate energy-starved and fearful householders.

And Ukraine’s demands are starting to frustrate some leaders who say Kyiv is seemingly failing to appreciate a key rule when it comes to sanctions — that they must have a greater impact on Russia than on the countries imposing them.

As Canada’s natural resources minister noted in an interview explaining why Ottawa decided to ship the repaired turbine: “The point of sanctions is not to hurt our allies, it is not to crater the German economy.”

Robert Habeck, Germany’s minister of economic affairs, has echoed the point, recently telling Bloomberg: “I will be the first to fight for another strong EU sanctions package, but strong sanctions must hurt Russia and Putin more than our economy.”

Yet, so far Kyiv’s only response has been to demand sanctions be intensified — seemingly still oblivious to how challenging it’s going to be for European leaders to sustain public support for Ukraine as prices soar. Zelenskyy worries about sanctions fatigue, but he should also worry about preoccupied western and southern Europeans losing patience and tuning out his entreaties.
 
Nobody I know wants Russia to win, but they're tired of some random country getting aid while things are going to shit domestically. All people see are the government and corporations taking massive amounts of money and telling the plebs to shut the fuck up.
At this point I want Russia to sheer off the ethnic Russian majority areas of Ukraine because its very clear that the Ukrainian government had no interest in treating them fairly in the run up to this war and almost certainly will persecute them quite violently after the war. Its just pragmatic at this point, either roll them up as their own state, Novorussia or whatever its called or just incorporate directly into the Federation. These Soviet breakup problems were punted for a generation and now they're coming to fruition just like all of the WW1 screw ups causing WW2, ethnic groups are trapped in the wrong countries and its better to just Balkanize the nations into smaller parts than let it get out of hand.
 
they are out of soldiers, not ammo, but thats waaay worse, Nato can always send more ammo, but there will be no western soldiers.

I dont think thats entirely true but the fact that they decided that they wont reveal casaulties till end of war comming some time after saying they are losing 100 men death and another 100 wounded PER DAY does suggest that just like Russia lost its pre war elite core so did ukraine.

And this https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...-in-ukraine-is-suffering-horrific-casualties/

Suggests that Russia traded less trained and effective Sepis for Azov and Ukrainian Marines.
 
Zelensky is trigger his J Card is not working outside of USA ? European states for all their Green And Multicultural retardation are still supposed to act in national interest, thats why they had to be tricked into believing the Green shit and the Brown shit, USA by contrast is involved in this as matter of Globalist ideology.



Eh plenty in Eastern Europe care but outside of ideological SLAVA UKRAINE dick sucking manipulation in media its mostly just Ukrainians being useful for fucking over Russia, its not love for Ukraine, just hate for Russia even then its countries like Poland or Czechia as compared to Slovakia and Hungary which hadnt been hit by globohomo so hard.
Did Czechia get fucked by globohomo?
 
Sane thing is to arm the Ukrainians and let Russia destroy itself, just like they did in Afghanistan.
The sane thing to do is stop fighting proxy wars that have nothing to do with us, but that isn't going to happen.

This Wilsonian shit got old over a century ago. No, we don't need to keep fighting endless wars "in order to protect democracy," or whatever the excuse of the week is. Their only real purpose is transferring wealth upward. The US sticks its nose in a conflict, cranks the military industrial complex production up to 11, sucks more money out of taxpayers, prints more money, hands it to the defense contractors, and the defense contractors take care of their buddies in the government as thanks.

I called four years of war as soon as Biden appointed Lloyd Austin as Secretary of Defense. That fucker used to sit on the board of Raytheon, the weapons manufacturer, and he took a $1.7 million severance package to leave that position, in order to avoid having a conflict of interest as SoD.

So fuck Ukraine, fuck Russia, fuck the EU, and NATO can get double-fucked. I'm so tired of being governed by warmongering, consequence-immune psychopaths.
 
Of course it is. No one except people from the countries at war gives a shit and we really dislike the fact that we are being punished for something our Leaders wants to do because it will benefit them and not the people they actually represent
 
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the Russians are losing.
The entire point of the war is to stop western development of Ukranian petro resources. I don't think Russia's long-term prospects look especially good, but as long as they keep Ukraine looking like a bad investment to western companies, they're winning.
 
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I hope Ukraine gets flattened, we have a lot of Ukrainian refugees here in my city and they are the most dumb, emotional disabled, idiots i have ever the misfortune of meeting. They are basically white niggers, very entitled and with the same lust for violence, rape and thieving....fuck them.
That's mostly Lvov'ites. Sadly they are all over Ukraine these days due to soviet era economic migration. Their native region being a trailer park economically. They almost all suffer from severe FAS, which is where the meanspirited emotional low-iq behavior comes from. They think of anyone who isn't them with utter hatred and entitlement.

Most Ukrainians native to other regions are no where near as fucking obnoxious, and also most did not flee like chickenshits when the war started.
 
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Did Czechia get fucked by globohomo?
They are the most pozzed in the region with Hungary bring the least. They were always loose since soviet times, as they took atheistic feminism to the core.

On the plus side, their women are very cheap, very slim and very, very easy.
Sheesh. I know the Block I Stingers were expiring in 2023 but I didn't think the Slavs would burn through the stockpile that quickly.

Slavs are like orks. They love dakka dakka, but vodka and accuracy or fire discipline are a bad mix.
 
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They are the most pozzed in the region with Hungary bring the least. They were always loose since soviet times, as they took atheistic feminism to the core.

On the plus side, their women are very cheap, very slim and very, very easy.


Slavs are like orks. They love dakka dakka, but vodka and accuracy or fire discipline are a bad mix.
Can you even "waste" stingers without a lock? I just know we had thousands of the Block Is mothballed and there hasn't been any promising news for an RFP to replace them. So... we were either going to go through a very expensive lifetime extension or order some less-obsolete replacements (of which we've ordered thousands). It makes me so damn mad glowies give that away yet if I were to offer an Ukies here to PM me if they got their dickbeaters on one the ATF would probably kick my door and kill my dog. I don't even want fire-and-forget. I just want an ATGM so I can relieve the euphoria of sniping with rockets a la N64 Nightfire.
 
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They are the most pozzed in the region with Hungary bring the least. They were always loose since soviet times, as they took atheistic feminism to the core.

On the plus side, their women are very cheap, very slim and very, very easy.


Slavs are like orks. They love dakka dakka, but vodka and accuracy or fire discipline are a bad mix.
It just makes me sad since I have czech heritage on my mother's side.
 
Worse compared to the other locals, but at least they will keep your nuts working overtime and they are generally very thin and pretty. Prositution is legal so no worries there.

It is a lot like Thailand but they are white and there isn't any surprise sausage.
 
I love that westerners are surprised by Ukraine's insatiable appetite for gibs and the fact that half of it goes missing or ends up on the black market. Anyone who lives in that part of the world could have told you that would be the case.

There is a racial stereotype summarised by a couple of old Soviet saying -

"Where the hohol walks the Jew has nothing left to do" and "When the hohol was born the Jew cried"
 
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