UN says Cyber Violence is equal to real life violence.

Not kidding sadly.

A recent UN panel meeting, thoughtfully headed by some high profile SJWs, have announced that calling someone a name online is the very same as physically assaulting them in real life. Of course this type of cyber violence only happens to women as pointed out by the attendees. Men being the sole perpetrator of any violence are of course free from cyber violence because we all know that men never call each other names online, it's only women who suffer cyber violence.

Here is the link https://archive.is/mrVYv

Note this lovely article is published by Time magazine, the assistant sectary of the UN is the quoted source.

Here are some lovely captions from the conference;


I wish I was making this shit up....
 
If being called a liar (even when it's true) was actually harrasment, Milo Yianopoulis alone would have cause most prominent anti-GG figures to kill themselves by now, and this website would be considered a terrorist organization.
 
Here is why this is important and why you should care.

The UN is basically puppeteered by America. America controls basically all of the Internet and has like 4 times as many IP addresses as China. Even what resources America doesn't control, it probably has influence over because of the hardware that exists in its borders and what has to traverse it. Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn now represented in both Google and America, their influence and their ability to push this concept of "Cyber Violence" is growing.

The appropriate response, they say, to Cyber Violence is to censor the people who commit it. "No big deal, less death threats on the Internet. Cool." Except that the only way to enforce this is to end the idea that: he who posts the post, owns the post. Meaning, if you leave a comment on my website say "I am going to kill Christian Weston Chandler", it's your post and you are liable for it. Under the Anita Quinn Zoe Sarkeesian laws, I now own the post. Well guess what? On a website like this, I'm not going to carry all of your posts and be personally liable for it. The forum goes down. So does Encyclopedia Dramatica. So does 8chan. So does 4chan. Facebook, Google, and Twitter will immediately respond by cranking moderation up to 11 and deleting insensitive material.

If you're the kind of limp wrist, pencil neck cunt to see this and appropriate it to a fucking hashtag movement about video games, you are truly cancer and you are the reason why shit like this passes almost every single year. We are constantly losing our ability to speak our minds and nobody gives a fuck.

There really is no hope is there? Sometimes I really do see the internet eventually collapsing under things like this. I mean who will use social media or post anything anywhere if it only leads to being put on a watch list or prison for thoughtcrime?
 
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There really is no hope is there? Sometimes I really do see the internet eventually collapsing under things like this. I mean who will use social media or post anything anywhere if it only leads to being put on a watch list or prison for thoughtcrime?

There's always hope...

But the idea that the Internet would always be a open a free space is pretty forlorn. Before the powers that be really didn't understand the concept and the technology was changing so fast they were always a step behind but things have come to more of a point now with recent events showing even the staunchest conservative the power of mob rule.

The Arab Spring, the Ferguson riots and a million other events have shown the power of social media to move, organize and moviative people on a huge scale. It was naive to think that the movers and shakers of the world stage would continue to ignore the Internet and its ability to both mold and harness popular opinion.

However, it's hard to control the Internet. At this time it is a big proposition to start instituting controls and censorship when so many voices cry out each time new regulations are proposed. But if a freedom is to be taken away an excuse must be used and the most classic example is to take away ones freedom to protect a certain thing. Americans are used to this idea after so many years of various "wars on this or that", so now we have a very loud, very well organized high profile group whose goal is to set the standards of what is and isn't ok on the net to protect the women from various types of "harrasement". So high profile they've spoken before Congress and now they've gotten the go ahead from the UN that the Internet needs to be regulated for the betterment of all women everywhere.

That is a hell of an excuse/opportunity for the government to move in and say they've regulating such and such for our own protection and anyone who speaks out is obviously a mysoginist and thus they can be safely ignored because you wouldnt stand up and defend a sexist pig now would you? That make you a sexist blah blah blah...

It's worked before and I bet it will work again. The days of the Wild West age of the web are coming to a close and laugh if you like but it's GamerGate that will allow the final nail to be driven in.

/rant over
 
The appropriate response, they say, to Cyber Violence is to censor the people who commit it. "No big deal, less death threats on the Internet. Cool." Except that the only way to enforce this is to end the idea that: he who posts the post, owns the post. Meaning, if you leave a comment on my website say "I am going to kill Christian Weston Chandler", it's your post and you are liable for it. Under the Anita Quinn Zoe Sarkeesian laws, I now own the post. Well guess what? On a website like this, I'm not going to carry all of your posts and be personally liable for it. The forum goes down. So does Encyclopedia Dramatica. So does 8chan. So does 4chan. Facebook, Google, and Twitter will immediately respond by cranking moderation up to 11 and deleting insensitive material.

You know why this won't happen in America?

No, not the First Amendment, although that really should be enough just by itself.

The Communications Decency Act.

What?

Most of the bad parts of the Communications Decency Act, the part about actual "decency," has actually been found unconstitutional and basically doesn't exist any more. However, there's a part called § 230 that goes like this:

"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider" (47 U.S.C. § 230).

Now, a little bit of a history lesson. Courts in the United States were, early on, pretty confused about the Internet. They didn't know how to deal with it. They still don't, but a fair amount of the bumpy stuff is out of the way now. They used to think that ISPs were publishers, and all kinds of silliness, and there was a case called Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co.

This was back in the ancient days of 1995, around the time of Religious Tech. Ctr. v. Netcom, which imposed vicarious liability on ISPs for copyright infringement (yes RTC is Scientology). Now, the DMCA immunized ISPs for copyright if they did a little dance in response to notifications of copyright infringement by people who claimed to own intellectual property. It's a hassle, but ISPs don't live in terror of being sued all the time over copyrights, and are only obligated to do anything in response to actual notice.

But that left us with defamation, and Stratton Oakmont.

In Stratton Oakmont, a bunch of dipshits nobody cares about any more sued Prodigy, which doesn't exist any more, over message board comments made by Prodigy users. Because Prodigy would occasionally, if we can believe that, actually moderate their message boards and delete comments, they were held to have editorial control over it, and effectively, to be publishing it for the purposes of whether or not they were liable for defamation.

Basically, if Prodigy did no moderation whatsoever, they would have been okay. It would have been someone else's content.

So if you followed this ruling, ISPs couldn't moderate their boards at all without ending up liable for defamation.

For once, Congress stepped in and did something sensible. This section was put into the ongoing Communications Decency Act, where it sat like a little time bomb for a while. It was basically meant just to shield "Good Samaritan" type moderation. In fact, some even called it the "anti-Stratton Oakmont provision" because that was just how unpopular that badly decided New York Supreme Court case was.

However, once courts got their hands on it, starting with another watershed case, Zeran v. America On-Line, it basically turned into near absolute immunity for ISPs over the speech of their users. ISPs can be forced to turn over user information in response to subpoenas, but plaintiffs are pretty much limited to suing the actual user.

Every federal circuit and most if not all state courts have a § 230 case, or more likely several, and they have overwhelmingly decided in favor of defendant ISPs. And "ISPs" include almost anyone who has contact with other people's content and have forwarded it along in almost any way. In California, for instance, even another user reposting (pretty clearly defamatory) content from another user was held immune (Barrett v. Rosenthal).

Internet corporations are vastly, overwhelmingly, resoundingly in favor of this state of affairs. There isn't a single such corporation, Google or otherwise, that would willingly do away with this.

So the rest of the world may be absolutely fucked on these issues. France is a bunch of pussies who constantly try to censor the global Internet. This UN bullshit is another such attempt. This Google Ideas shit is asspatting of utterly scummy people who deserve no attention.

But Google isn't going to pay more than lip service to this.

I'd still keep an eye on them, of course. But if they do anything like this, of their own volition, it will be for their own agenda, not because they're otherwise pimping some agenda that would get in the way of their profits, which anything attaching actual liability to ISPs would do.

So Quinn and Sarkeesian and other wannabe frivolous litigants may want this kind of shit, but they ain't getting it. Not in murrica.

Because freedom.

(Insert picture of eagle with tear rolling down.)
 
But Google isn't going to pay more than lip service to this.

Though this is now 100% opinionated, I don't believe you. I'm sure everything you said is soundly backed by facts and I'm sure if I knew court history regarding these bills I'd see you were 100% correct, but the conclusion you draw is something I don't trust.

Things are now different.

A federal judge has been doxed by /baphomet/ on 8ch, which caused quite a fuss in terms of trying to justify taking it down. ISIS is successfully pulling in foreign experts through social media to join its Jihad. The NSA continually ramps up surveillance and has explored ways of forcing companies to make their phones insecure. The MPAA wants to break torrent systems for profiteering reasons and that would involve logging every connection made online. The NSA definitely packet sniffs at the Internet backbone level. Congress is always trying to push through ""child pornography"" laws that involve forcing ISPs to retain logs of who's doing what for up to 2 years or some shit. TTIP is on the verge of passing and nobody even knows what the fuck it says.

It boils down to this:
Are Telecommunication Companies and Public Outrage enough to fight the Federal Spying Agencies and the IP Diehards like the MPAA?

And I don't think they are, and they all play at it from different angles. The government wants to spy more so they can reliably shut down "threats to national security." The MPAA is encouraging them by trying to sneak in IP protection laws under the guise of stopping child pornography. Conversely, people want privacy, and the only reason why the IT companies care is because it jeopardizes their business models and comsumer trust, but, they also want laws to pass that reduce the definition of the Internet so that they can meter it differently depending on what IP you connect to.

All these cunts are in it for themselves, I don't trust any of them, and whoever has the power in 10 years from now is undoubtedly going to make the Internet shittier. We have found a unique balance between Libertarian Anarchy and Plutocratic Dictatorship that won't last forever.
 
All these cunts are in it for themselves, I don't trust any of them, and whoever has the power in 10 years from now is undoubtedly going to make the Internet shittier. We have found a unique balance between Libertarian Anarchy and Plutocratic Dictatorship that won't last forever.

I agree there's tons of stuff to be worried about, from NSA fuckery to corporate spying.

Just pointing out that civil liability for ISPs, forcing forum moderators and so on to censor their users, isn't one of them.

If corporations take up censoring their users it will be for their own reasons.
 
Here is why this is important and why you should care.

The UN is basically puppeteered by America. America controls basically all of the Internet and has like 4 times as many IP addresses as China. Even what resources America doesn't control, it probably has influence over because of the hardware that exists in its borders and what has to traverse it. Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn now represented in both Google and America, their influence and their ability to push this concept of "Cyber Violence" is growing.

The appropriate response, they say, to Cyber Violence is to censor the people who commit it. "No big deal, less death threats on the Internet. Cool." Except that the only way to enforce this is to end the idea that: he who posts the post, owns the post. Meaning, if you leave a comment on my website say "I am going to kill Christian Weston Chandler", it's your post and you are liable for it. Under the Anita Quinn Zoe Sarkeesian laws, I now own the post. Well guess what? On a website like this, I'm not going to carry all of your posts and be personally liable for it. The forum goes down. So does Encyclopedia Dramatica. So does 8chan. So does 4chan. Facebook, Google, and Twitter will immediately respond by cranking moderation up to 11 and deleting insensitive material.

If you're the kind of limp wrist, pencil neck cunt to see this and appropriate it to a fucking hashtag movement about video games, you are truly cancer and you are the reason why shit like this passes almost every single year. We are constantly losing our ability to speak our minds and nobody gives a fuck.

The really sad part is that this kind of bullshit is used to avoid the real problems out there.

The fact that the UN decided to listen to two over-sensitive women who go crying because someone on the internet told them they are wrong would be laughable were it not just so depressing. Meanwhile thousands of refugees are fleeing their homes because of wars, Syria is basically a training ground for ISIS, hundreds are drowning in the Mediterranean Sea, Europe is in crisis in regards to illegal immigration whilst having to deal with Greece's euro fiasco and the current Ukrainian crisis may very well be the powder keg waiting to explode and announce the next conflict between Russia and the West.

Is what I said more important to deal with than two people who are lying about being harassed? In the eyes of the UN it apparently isn't.
 
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I'm literally getting tired of all this 'hurt feelings' shit on the internet. If you don't like something, you ignore it. If it offends, you look away. If you've got a roving band of assholes harassing you don't give two shits about it. I remember when the internet was like the Wild West. No Facebook, no Myspace, no fucking Google, Twitter, Tumblr, none of that shit. Just you, a shitty search engine and viruses as far as the eyes could see. Now we've got 'special flower' treatment in full swing and everyone wants to play fair, no name calling and no hurt feelings. Get the fuck out of here with that lame shit; you want to start going apeshit policing the fucking net, UN? How about starting with society instead? I wanna see a cop mace someone for cutting in line. I wanna see people getting ticketed for changing lanes without using signals. I wanna see a kid muzzled because his whiny mouth offends me. Sounds insane, right? Having to exist among crowds of assholes is part of everyday life. So stop bitching about those mean old internet bullies and do something productive for once.
 
So stop bitching about those mean old internet bullies and do something productive for once.

There's your problem. Doing something productive.

They DON'T want to do something productive. They want others to do it for them and then take credit for it. Stan lee actually went out of his way and suggested these assholes to create their own superhero characters when they bitched about Spiderman being white straight male.

They don't want to create new ideas like you and me. They want others to chanfe the world to their own whimsical vision of everyone praising them for doing anything, even the most mundane of things.
 
I really resent them presenting this as a female problem, it makes women look weak and whiny. As someone whose been very active on the internet for over a decade I can't even remember being harassed for being a woman except maybe on 4chan but it's 4chan, who gives a shit?
I guess when I used to do chat rooms when I was a kid pedos would message me but that's not really the same problem
I don't know, I keep feeling like there's something I'm missing, like maybe I'm just lucky to never get "harassment." Maybe it IS worse than people saying mean things to you which has happened to me and almost everyone. Maybe if I did, I'd understand. But right now I just see no evidence that this is a real problem. I do think these two women in particular have a real problem with being harassed, but the average woman on the internet? CWC is probably the most harassed person online in history, why is this a gendered problem? This is so stupid.
 
Here is why this is important and why you should care.

The UN is basically puppeteered by America. America controls basically all of the Internet and has like 4 times as many IP addresses as China. Even what resources America doesn't control, it probably has influence over because of the hardware that exists in its borders and what has to traverse it. Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn now represented in both Google and America, their influence and their ability to push this concept of "Cyber Violence" is growing.

The appropriate response, they say, to Cyber Violence is to censor the people who commit it. "No big deal, less death threats on the Internet. Cool." Except that the only way to enforce this is to end the idea that: he who posts the post, owns the post. Meaning, if you leave a comment on my website say "I am going to kill Christian Weston Chandler", it's your post and you are liable for it. Under the Anita Quinn Zoe Sarkeesian laws, I now own the post. Well guess what? On a website like this, I'm not going to carry all of your posts and be personally liable for it. The forum goes down. So does Encyclopedia Dramatica. So does 8chan. So does 4chan. Facebook, Google, and Twitter will immediately respond by cranking moderation up to 11 and deleting insensitive material.
These kind of people have been pushing for a while for the end of anonymous internet use in the same way that Blizzard did but for the entire of the internet, I can't imagine that will ever come about either though seeing as there are always ways around it: http://mashable.com/2015/07/16/end-anonymous-comments/

From the article:
Kill Anonymity
As far as I’m concerned, two things need to happen. We need to shut down online anonymity and stop confusing it with privacy. The answer to protecting yourself online is not to be someone else and please do not talk to me about online identity as if it’s some fluid thing to be protected. If you officially change your name, your address, your email, your phone number, please, by all means, change it online. “FunkyDawg” is not your identity. It’s a handle.

On virtually all of my social accounts, I am “LanceUlanoff.” Granted, I’ve built a tiny online brand around my name, but I’ve also found this transparency much easier to manage than a bunch of random handles and identities. It also keeps me honest. I am accountable for the things I post on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

Even if sites like Reddit continue to allow members to hide behind screen names, they should know, in the Reddit system, who they are: Full name, age, birthdate and maybe even address. If Reddit does this, it will not only cut down the number of attacks, it will likely scrub Reddit of much of its disgusting, hateful and racist content. It might also help the site, assuming it survives, monetize more activity than it is now.

Those who truly want to use Reddit as a community for great, fun and funny ideas would, theoretically, stick around. None of this, by the way, should hamper “Free Speech” on Reddit. I know that most of the members who hated Pao and wanted her out were angry about the necessary changes she was making and they often decried her actions as an attack on free speech. Sorry, but, in my book, hate speech does not equal free speech.

If, however, these Reddit members really believe it is their right to harass, spew hate and post their insane ideas about various races, then do it without the mask of a user name. Put your real name and photo on the site. Stand up for what you believe in, you bastards.

Anyway it's kind of sad SJWs will stick up for these people but they tend to still treat Chris as a joke even though he's likely had more online abuse than any of these professional victims.
 
These kind of people have been pushing for a while for the end of anonymous internet use in the same way that Blizzard did but for the entire of the internet, I can't imagine that will ever come about though seeing as there are always ways around it: http://mashable.com/2015/07/16/end-anonymous-comments/

From the article:
Kill Anonymity
As far as I’m concerned, two things need to happen. We need to shut down online anonymity and stop confusing it with privacy. The answer to protecting yourself online is not to be someone else and please do not talk to me about online identity as if it’s some fluid thing to be protected. If you officially change your name, your address, your email, your phone number, please, by all means, change it online. “FunkyDawg” is not your identity. It’s a handle.

On virtually all of my social accounts, I am “LanceUlanoff.” Granted, I’ve built a tiny online brand around my name, but I’ve also found this transparency much easier to manage than a bunch of random handles and identities. It also keeps me honest. I am accountable for the things I post on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

Even if sites like Reddit continue to allow members to hide behind screen names, they should know, in the Reddit system, who they are: Full name, age, birthdate and maybe even address. If Reddit does this, it will not only cut down the number of attacks, it will likely scrub Reddit of much of its disgusting, hateful and racist content. It might also help the site, assuming it survives, monetize more activity than it is now.

Those who truly want to use Reddit as a community for great, fun and funny ideas would, theoretically, stick around. None of this, by the way, should hamper “Free Speech” on Reddit. I know that most of the members who hated Pao and wanted her out were angry about the necessary changes she was making and they often decried her actions as an attack on free speech. Sorry, but, in my book, hate speech does not equal free speech.

If, however, these Reddit members really believe it is their right to harass, spew hate and post their insane ideas about various races, then do it without the mask of a user name. Put your real name and photo on the site. Stand up for what you believe in, you bastards.
I for one would at least be supportive of getting rid of tumblr anonymity so that tumblrinas can forever not get jobs for their hateful content. That being said unless there is legal enforcement against anonymity from every country then it will still exist somewhere and everyone who actually wants it will just go to a .ru domain or whatever
 
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These kind of people have been pushing for a while for the end of anonymous internet use in the same way that Blizzard did but for the entire of the internet, I can't imagine that will ever come about either though seeing as there are always ways around it: http://mashable.com/2015/07/16/end-anonymous-comments/

They also complain about being harassed when if they weren't so fucking stupid as to use their real name for everything online nobody COULD harass them.

Pinheads.
 
Holy hells, get a load of the UN issued report itself.

https://medium.com/@KingFrostFive/citation-games-by-the-united-nations-cyberviolence-e8bb1336c8d1

Some fun facts: references are from as far back as 2000, one of them cites Jack Thomposon and Pokeman as a trainer for toddler killers. Several references used are personal opinion blogs and one reference is the writers fuckin C drive.

What the hell is happening to the world? The UN, the fucking UN, released a terribly researched, badly biased paper as proof of grounds to end Internet "harassment" of women. Women who plainly state that anyone who disagrees with them is harassing them and should be prohibited from using the Internet by the agency's of government.
 
Holy hells, get a load of the UN issued report itself.

https://medium.com/@KingFrostFive/citation-games-by-the-united-nations-cyberviolence-e8bb1336c8d1

Some fun facts: references are from as far back as 2000, one of them cites Jack Thomposon and Pokeman as a trainer for toddler killers. Several references used are personal opinion blogs and one reference is the writers fuckin C drive.

What the hell is happening to the world? The UN, the fucking UN, released a terribly researched, badly biased paper as proof of grounds to end Internet "harassment" of women. Women who plainly state that anyone who disagrees with them is harassing them and should be prohibited from using the Internet by the agency's of government.
The explanation is simple. Because the author lacks theory of mind they also lack theory of hard drive. They think that just as every human knows what they know all computers can access files on their hard drive
 
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