Undertale

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It took me 5 hours to finish chapter 2, which was certainly a lot more than chapter 1 (took me 2 hours)

The final boss was nice, and I ended up jerking off to her 😍
Dude, acting like a coomer isn't funny, it's just really gross and gay.
 
Dude, acting like a coomer isn't funny, it's just really gross and gay.
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Chapter 2 was fun, but I didn't really care too much for any of the new characters involved. Noelle was neat on her own, but all her shit involving Suzie was boring and hamfisted. The bird dude and Queen felt just a bit too much like a "reddit moment" and "tumblr moment" respectively.

Also, speaking of being a "tumblr moment" more, I've felt like this series as a whole has always been walking a very thin line and risking falling into that descriptor with stuff like its heckin' epic spaghetti and "anime is real" jokes. It's all been tolerable for me up until this chapter, now it's starting to wobble.

Also if Mettaton is revealed to be a girl ghost and they trooned out in undertale by using a male robot body: I called it.
 
Chapter 2 was fun, but I didn't really care too much for any of the new characters involved. Noelle was neat on her own, but all her shit involving Suzie was boring and hamfisted. The bird dude and Queen felt just a bit too much like a "reddit moment" and "tumblr moment" respectively.
Berdly was the best part of the chapter solely because he cut off the Noelle and Susie crap, even though I didn't like the direction he was taken compared to Chapter 1, he at least had the decency to make the game move forwards.

Actually, in all seriousness:
Also, speaking of being a "tumblr moment" more, I've felt like this series as a whole has always been walking a very thin line and risking falling into that descriptor with stuff like its heckin' epic spaghetti and "anime is real" jokes. It's all been tolerable for me up until this chapter, now it's starting to wobble.
It's definitely starting to show itself more and more, which is a shame because the best moments of these games to me are when that shit goes away and the game takes itself somewhat seriously, stuff like the True Lab to even just the stuff like Lancer and Susie's friendship are some of the highlights to me, and it feels like we're just getting less of that in favor of more of the same flavor of lesbian romance (Toby couldn't even make a male the token gay this time? I guess Ralsei counts but he's not the one getting boring ferris wheel scenes that drag and have no combat is he? The swan ride at least had gameplay and a rouxls fight) and tumblr humor.

Chapter 1 is probably my favorite work of Toby's solely because the tumblr humor was toned down a lot, shame we're going right back, with some added they pronouns for extra tumblr.
 
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Please do not masturbate to Toby Fox characters.
What do you expect, dude's name is GumballFapper.

I bet he faps to White Diamond too.

Berdly was the best part of the chapter solely because he cut off the Noelle and Susie crap, even though I didn't like the direction he was taken compared to Chapter 1, he at least had the decency to make the game move forwards.

Actually, in all seriousness:

It's definitely starting to show itself more and more, which is a shame because the best moments of these games to me are when that shit goes away and the game takes itself somewhat seriously, stuff like the True Lab to even just the stuff like Lancer and Susie's friendship are some of the highlights to me, and it feels like we're just getting less of that in favor of more of the same flavor of lesbian romance (Toby couldn't even make a male the token gay this time? I guess Ralsei counts but he's not the one getting boring ferris wheel scenes that drag and have no combat is he? The swan ride at least had gameplay and a rouxls fight) and tumblr humor.

Honestly Chapter 1 was probably my favorite work of Toby's solely because the tumblr humor was toned down a lot, shame we're going right back, with some added they pronouns for extra tumblr.
Eh, I found the Noelle/Susie stuff tolerable even though it is kind of like Alphys & Undyne minus the cringe anime shit. The ferris wheel scene felt unnecessary though. I think Toby does an okay job at not including SJW humor and toning down the Tumblr humor to a tolerable degree. Maybe it's nostalgia but I mostly enjoyed the dialogue and found it pretty funny. I can get if some people don't like it because the humor is kind of "dumb".
 
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I largely disagree with all the wariness about "Tumblr/Reddit speak" and the weird internet humor because, unironically, that was the point.

It's Deltrarune vs the Internet, and I'm actually shocked that kind of humor and awkward handling of characterization is as downplayed as it is. It would be so easy to devolve into almost incoherent references and l33t/forum speak and call it a day, but Deltarun actually conveyed a lot of the nuance of being an internet dweller while keeping it in the style of it's own universe and setting. Ergo, Deltarune's interpretation of the internet is the exact kind of crap I expect Alphys is browsing on her off time.

Also if Mettaton is revealed to be a girl ghost and they trooned out in undertale by using a male robot body: I called it.

I'm not sure if I would be bothered by this exactly, but I always felt like Mettaton was a better analogy for being gay than anything else. He's confined to expectations in Undertale, but retains his camp behavior. It isn't until he's forced to "come out" that he becomes the character we all know and (probably) love.

I'll have to see the route they go with here but while I'm not dismissive of the idea I can't really see a scenario where the analogy doesn't come off as either hamfisted or half-baked. But this is the Undertale guy we're talking about. When he hits it out of the ballpark, it's so fucking brilliant, and an actually well-written Trans character scene that doesn't preach to the choir, come off as a gimmick, and has an engaging story behind it in this day and age where I've seen so many fumbles would be a God-Damn God-send.
 
Well, that was a ride...

Before the release I was absolutely terrified that they'd fuck it up.
Toby's games have always straddled the line between emotional and obnoxious and in all of his works there's at least one death defying stunt where he tries to plunge the franchise into darkness.

First impressions were bad when the Ralsei villain theory seemed to be gearing up (all the while plagiarizing the game OFF) and you had lines like (paraphrased) "An evil ruler is taking over the world but I hate politics so I have no opinion on this" slipping in but the game won me over quickly and I was loving it!
The gameplay was as good as ever and Toby seems to have learned from a lot of his mistakes.

First thing he's learned: How to make good annoying characters!
Berdly is the Anti-Alphys. In universe he's an oblivious prick but as a viewer he's fucking hilarious and I was always ready for more.
What's more is that he actively interrupts the shitty scenes and makes everything better.

Secondly: The shitty romance subplot.
It was nice of Toby to directly reference most of the fan ships (and even some fan works directly). It helped break the ice and de-escalate everything.
Even if I knew that SUSIExNOELLE was inevitable I had full faith that he'd treat it sensitively.

I genuinely expected to hate lugging around Noelle but she was actually fine and the puzzles for that segment were pretty clever.

...but then, at the final hour. Something goes horribly wrong.
There's a single moment after the Rouxls battle where the seams rip and the game collapses under it's own hubris.

So, remember how I said that I thought Toby would properly handle the lesbian romance? Did he bollocks!

The hamfisted lesbian subplot is EVEN WORSE than the first game!

It just keeps going on and on and on! Berdly turns up as usual to break the ice but it's been like five fucking minutes and the damage is already done.
Going on for too long would have been one thing but then Toby starts adding RETROACTIVE elements to his shitty "love at first sight" plot.
Susie stating that she's liked Noelle ever since she first came to the school and lent her a pencil? OH FUCK OFF. THAT IS SO CHEAP.

They basically compressed all the usual obnoxious crap into a single scene and I'm not sure if that's better or worse.
The "internet is controlling people" business at the end was also typical Toby awkwardness but at least it wasn't as violently offensive.

Did it ruin the game for me?
Too soon to tell but it was a definite black mark on an otherwise superb experience.

I'm at least glad that my "Ralsei is the villain" fears were quashed at the end. Maybe...

I think this might be time for me to call it quits for this series and leave it on a high(-ish) note.
Once again I have no fucking idea how the story is going to continue and I concur with @Beef Void when he says that they'll probably add a tranny or something (One of my biggest fears for this game)

E: Also the soundtrack is mostly meh but that's just my personal opinion. Oh look, "lena raine" is on the team. Big surprise!
Later E: Some of the tracks are good but it's more of a slow burn than the first chapter.
 
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I feel like some people’s issue isn’t that Susie/Noelle is a thing and more that the whole “lesbians as a plot point” thing has been a lot more common these days and done badly more often then well. So there’s less forgiving of it in general.

Just a personal observation though.
 
Just found out about
The Genocide Route

You PWN /u/ and get a (sex?) slave who you physically abuse to power up and use to kill everyone. No, I'm not kidding. Wtf haha.
BIGSHOT TIME
BIGSHOT TIME
BIGSHOT TIME
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Just found out about
The Genocide Route

You PWN /u/ and get a (sex?) slave who you physically abuse to power up and use to kill everyone. No, I'm not kidding. Wtf haha.
BIGSHOT TIME
BIGSHOT TIME
BIGSHOT TIME
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The TV at the end of the game grows a giant ass grin and now all I can think about is the Photoshop Flowey monstrosity from Undertale and how it could potentially be the next secret boss. Like, I can only imagine the kind of fucked up shit the story can get into bringing anything similar to that abomination into this already very offputting story, but if they do then...Toby, what the FUCK.
 
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On the topic of Noelle, I really like how the ending makes it unintentionally insinuated that she only really cares about her dinosaur gf.

I know the queen threaten the life of Susie to her pacifically but both Kris and Ralsei were also in danger and she just kind of went "nah fuck em."
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It would have been so funny if the queen let go of Susie and instead just crushed Kris and Ralsei right in front of them, that would made for one hell of a ending that's for sure.

All I'm just saying is that I know who not to trust if shit hits the fan in the future chapters, lol.
 
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All I'm just saying is that I know who not to trust if shit hits the fan in the future chapters, lol.

Noelle is pretty dang strong even outside of the "Genocide" ending. She instantly incapacitates a few enemies in her area and comes with a heal. Pretty inspired if you ask me, they clearly want you to be a little wary about her and her role in the story and what better way to amp up the confusion than to make the player conflicted on how much they actually want Noelle around?

From a gameplay perspective, I'm also happy they didn't commit to making her a full party-member. The OG Trio has so much natural chemistry that I'm not quite ready to start pulling them apart in favor of other characters. At least not yet.
 
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The Punch-Out style for the last fight was cool to see but it got ruined by how our opponent looked like something out of Steven Universe.
But then again you'll get Duck Headed Mecha so it is all forgiven.
 
(Toby couldn't even make a male the token gay this time? I guess Ralsei counts but he's not the one getting boring ferris wheel scenes that drag and have no combat is he? The swan ride at least had gameplay and a rouxls fight)
Kris and Ralsei being a thing is so weird and uncomfortable because they are practically brothers, with Ralsei being the alternate universe version of Asriel, who is Kris' older brother.

I thought it was just another ship by the fandom but I guess I was wrong.
 
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I see the Undertale fandom is fully revitalized. For better and for worse.

Also….
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