Undertale

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so youre saying its troonslop but at the same time its mostly toby because he knows to keep the trannies in check?
i dunno man seems like way too much speculation and i acknowledge thats a lot coming from me the threads resident gaster sperg. so far chapter 4 has had some of the best music toby has ever put out so i dont feel like the standard is declining at all. im more worried about the core game writing quality (e.g. susie) rather than music editing. it sounds fine, it doesnt matter to me if a tranny was the one who tweaked the eq levels or whatever because the result is good and fits the game
No no, I'm not saying that the music is troonslop in its entirety, just that there is troonslop infiltration in what Toby considers his Magnum Opus. Basically, there's as little troonslop as Toby thinks he can get away with without the trannies calling him an evil bigot (considering what his inner circle must be composed of, I highly doubt he'd have been able to go "nah" when the famous troon wanted to help compose), which is why we don't have any unfittig tranny music like Minecraft's "pigstep".
It is kind of fitting that they got a tranny to do minecrafts soundtrack for HELL though.
 
No no, I'm not saying that the music is troonslop in its entirety, just that there is troonslop infiltration in what Toby considers his Magnum Opus. Basically, there's as little troonslop as Toby thinks he can get away with without the trannies calling him an evil bigot (considering what his inner circle must be composed of, I highly doubt he'd have been able to go "nah" when the famous troon wanted to help compose), which is why we don't have any unfittig tranny music like Minecraft's "pigstep".
It is kind of fitting that they got a tranny to do minecrafts soundtrack for HELL though.
It mostly bothers me because Toby of all people has a right to say “I’m a musician first and foremost and this is my magnum opus, I’ll take care of the music”.
Is Toby not doing all the music himself on this?
Toby’s doing like 98% of the music. There are just a few songs (excluding vocals) that credit Toby plus one or two other people.

Chapter 1:

Track 39 "Don't Forget" arranged and performed by Laura Shigihara laurashigihara.bandcamp.com

Track 14 "Fanfare" originally from Rose of Winter (I’m almost certain Toby still composed this one)
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Chapter 2:

Track 11 - Cyber Battle (Solo) - Solo arrangement and transcription by Lena Raine.

Track 32 - Attack of the Killer Queen - Arrangement assistance by Lena Raine, transcription by Marcy Nabors

Track 45 - Until Next Time - "Don't Forget" original vocals by Laura Shigihara

Chapters 3+4:

"Gya Ha Ha!!" arranged by Alex Rosetti

"Piano that may not be played that well" audio editing by Lena Raine

"Dark Sanctuary" "Neverending Night" vocals by Itoki Hana
 
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So as someone who watched Undertale and was entertained, is Deltarune worth watching or is it spiraling into a complete mess?
 
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Deltarune is far more fun to actually play yourself.

Undertale is more or less the same thing over and over on set linear paths depending on the run, but Deltarune is much more player-involved for the character interactions and story stuff and since it's not finished yet it's more about how you feel about those choices right now than it's just a rush to a specific ending.

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Also, the main character, madeline, is 100% a self insert of the creator of the game Maddy thorson. What is up with these troon creators trying to insert themselves in every piece of media they make?
Lack of creativity, "I want to have my own story" (I.E: Main character syndrome), fear of being well seen/judged by people in general and things related to mental illness.
 
The fact that the trannies are on a relatively tight leash and haven't actually been allowed to do any solo compositions kind of does show that he has very little faith in them
Unless all of the leitmotif sperging is little more than happy coincidences, I would be genuinely surprised if the music wasn't something toby was hyper-autistically protective of. At the very least, I get the impression that a lot of the pieces have particular elements in them for a particular reason, and a lot of the help is either for music that isn't anywhere near plot relevant or the equivalent of artistic puppetry with how much toby would be directing them.
 
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The Flower judges you harshly.
In my defense i have an extensive backlog of games back then and now still
undertale is linear enough that you really dont lose out much if you just watch it (unless you really like bullet hells) but deltarune is much more worth playing youself
Well i'll wait to see when it's
Undertale is for grandpa's now. Play Deltarune.
Deltarune is far more fun to actually play yourself.

Undertale is more or less the same thing over and over on set linear paths depending on the run, but Deltarune is much more player-involved for the character interactions and story stuff and since it's not finished yet it's more about how you feel about those choices right now than it's just a rush to a specific ending.

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Fine,... Alright but I see someone mentioning they had to buy it, how expensive is it?
 
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