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Unfuckable Hate Nerds​

Yes, young men are losers. They deserve sympathy, not contempt.​

BY WILLIAM DERESIEWICZ
JUNE 28, 2023

“The army of unfuckable hate nerds”—Marc Maron’s term for the mass of young men who pollute the internet with their misogyny. “They play video games all day,” the comedian said on his podcast, “then they watch MMA, then they spend the evening jerking off to … porn, then they put a few hours” into attacking women online.

He’s right, of course. There are hordes of these young men (and, no doubt, of not-so-young ones). They congregate on Twitter, in comment threads, on forums and platforms like Reddit, Discord, Kiwi Farms, and 8kun, the successor to 8chan. They trade in misogyny, racism, antisemitism, and assorted other hatreds. Their words are violent and vile.

But Maron is also wrong. I mean in his response, which is that of so many: to answer hate with hate, contempt with contempt. As opposed to what? As opposed to understanding, just like we extend, at least on the left (and I am on the left), to another set of violent young men, the ones who live in inner cities. Yes, I am calling for sympathy for my brothers in the army of unfuckable hate nerds.

My brothers: I was a young man once. And since there’s now an ever-growing genre of commentary in which feminists speak, with placid condescension, like so many anthropologists (if not entomologists), on the topic of men, especially young men, I thought it might be useful to hear from someone who actually knows what it’s like to be one.

Here’s what it’s like: It sucks. Male privilege? Absolutely, in many contexts, but there are important ways in which young men are clearly underprivileged.

Women are sex objects, goes the cliché, and men are success objects. But success requires many years to achieve, if you ever achieve it at all. Young men, in that respect, are much like older women: Society has little use for them, barely deigns to notice them. I’m not talking about the advertising industry, or the entertainment industry; I’m talking about the day-to-day experience of living in the world. Young women often have a lot of social power, whereas, except for the fortunate few—the born rich, the strikingly handsome, the 6-foot-3—young men have none. Socially speaking, young men are shit, and nobody gives a shit.

Any young woman who is even moderately attractive will be courted, complimented, paid attention to, by women as well as men. Older men will buy them things. People will hang on their words even when they aren’t interesting and laugh at their jokes even when they aren’t funny. They will have entry into places—private clubs, backstage after a show—young men can only press their noses against. They will be able to advance professionally by batting their eyelashes at powerful men. Young men, meanwhile—those losers, those loners, those apes—are left to pick their psychic zits on the periphery.

There’s more. Young women can have sex whenever they want. For most young men, persuading a woman to sleep with them is like trying to crack a safe. You understand that it’s theoretically possible, but you have no idea how to do it. Which means that you’re stuck with your hard-on. Unfuckable? No one needs to tell you that. You are unfucked: unwanted, unattractive; in the most literal sense, unloved.

The mental climate of the typical young man is three parts unrelenting horniness to one part self-disgust. Young women are not the only ones who are taught to hate their bodies. So, if less intensely, are young men. Why else would they lift all those weights? What you are really working out, when you go to the gym, is your dysmorphia. Aella, the OnlyFans star and online commentator, has said that what men look for when they come to her—and her clientele is mostly young—isn’t sex per se but “sexual acceptance.” They want to be assured, in other words, that they aren’t hideous. The fact they have to pay for this says everything you need to know.

Do I sound bitter? I’m channeling my younger self. It’s all worked out for me, I have no complaints, but I am intensely aware that it could have gone a different way. Turn this dial a click to the left, turn that one a click to the right—a little less privilege, a little more emotional instability—and I could have turned into a hate nerd myself. I suspect that a lot of men sense that. What does it feel like to be a young man? It feels like you are Kafka’s cockroach, Dostoevsky’s Underground Man. It feels like you were drawn by Harvey Pekar or R. Crumb. You are an Untermensch, a particle, a stew of envies and resentments, a festering sore. You look, from below, at the happy and lovely and rich. You creep, alone, along a wall. You masturbate as if your life depended on it.

Yes, I made it out. I found success; I reached the fabled land of love. But many men do not; many recognize, and recognize quite early, that they never will. And I was young in the ’80s and ’90s. We know what’s happened since. Blue-collar wages have slumped. Men have lost the education race. Add to that the dating apps, which gamify sex and love and quantify desirability and value. Like everything else on the web, the distribution follows a power law curve, with a small fraction of alphas soaking up the lion’s share of female attention. Add further the misandry that has now become de rigueur wherever the liberal elite holds sway: the ritual (and often gleeful) man-hating, the pathologization of masculinity.

We also know how young men are responding. Some are opting out of manhood by becoming trans or nonbinary. Some are going the other way, reaching for an ersatz hypermasculinity and joining the army of unfuckable hate nerds. Their behavior is disgusting, it is inexcusable, but what do we think is going to make them stop? Telling them to comb their hair, to put down the Xbox, to get a life? Reminding them that they’re unlovable and worthless? They know that already; that is precisely the problem. Hate breeds hate. Revenge is not justice. The hate nerds are human, no less than you and me. We need to treat them like it.

 

[Alouatta Simia Belzebul]

So basically, yeah, you want women to stop thinking about the risk men pose to women so that men can get laid. As if all the lifestyle factors you've just mentioned aren't generational and affect millenial and zoomer women as well.

I have no idea why women might want to avoid men who literally don't care if they get hurt, and have grown up on thinking videos of women being degraded is sexy. Clearly we're the irrational ones.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

So basically, yeah, you want women to stop thinking about the risk men pose to women so that men can get laid. As if all the lifestyle factors you've just mentioned aren't generational and affect millenial and zoomer women as well.

I have no idea why women might want to avoid men who literally don't care if they get hurt, and have grown up on thinking videos of women being degraded is sexy. Clearly we're the irrational ones.

Men who seek affection don't instantly mean sex. Yes sex is part of it, but now due to how women have set it up they just give out sex to a large group of men which increases the danger fold of their "orbiter harem"... Who may go unhinged one day and just kill them which has happened... So how does that avoid the risk of violence exactly? It doesn't.

Men stopped caring about women, because women stopped having a care about men's wants, and needs and made it primarily about themselves in a narcissistic fashion. You know that friend that won't shut the fuck up about themselves and you avoid them because it's a pain in the ass to ever get them to do things YOU want to do, well you've now encapsulated most modern women in a nutshell.

Men devolved into porn thanks to lack of female attention, yes they are responsible for not having self control, but women not holding their societal contract has led men to such a fate. Even funnier is most women are now coomer brain porn addicts too, so this lack of interaction with men has hurt them too, which means not only do they still face the risk of violence but also emotional damage and developmental problems which was not an issue when they acted like they did in the past. The horror interacting with someone they have to compromise with. God forbid.

No wonder so many women are clinging *fucking* to fido who won't ask anything of them except to be fed once a day even though the dog might go deranged from age one day and attack them but at least they don't have to compromise on anything and the dog will go along with whatever they want.

 

[Netizennameless]

So basically, yeah, you want women to stop thinking about the risk men pose to women so that men can get laid. As if all the lifestyle factors you've just mentioned aren't generational and affect millenial and zoomer women as well.

Honestly, men are just tired of listening to this garbage about "feeling unsafe" and being expected to treat it as automatically valid. Men are at a vastly greater risk of being a victim of violence. 78% of all murder victims are men. Like @Mewtwo_Rain said, your viewpoint is narcissistic, reality says being a man is way more dangerous. You just don't seem to want to accept that the other side of the fence is even worse.

I have no idea why women might want to avoid men who literally don't care if they get hurt, and have grown up on thinking videos of women being degraded is sexy. Clearly we're the irrational ones.

It goes both ways and you don't seem to understand that.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

You can pull all the mental gymnastics in the world, but it will never help you reach your actual goal.
At best, this is just coping.

So, the thing is - I don't have to cope or perform mental gymnastics, because I'm OK with the world/life. My goal is a good life, as defined by me. I know when I'm at/in it or not. I feel empathy toward folks who are struggling with that, and from time to time I offer a perspective. Agree, don't agree; accept, reject; doesn't impact me (except to the extent there's something new for me to consider, in which case I do actually digest, or when I see people choosing paths that make me feel bad, sad, or mad for them, in which case I feel but accept that that's their choice). Wish you the best, as a general thing, but if you choose a dark future because of adherence to a certain dark worldview, not my problem...though my sunny side would feel good if you (general you) took a higher road, ngl.

 

[Alouatta Simia Belzebul]

Honestly, men are just tired of listening to this garbage about "feeling unsafe" and being expected to treat it as automatically valid. Men are at a vastly greater risk of being a victim of violence. 78% of all murder victims are men. Like @Mewtwo_Rain said, your viewpoint is narcissistic, reality says being a man is way more dangerous. You just don't seem to want to accept that the other side of the fence is even worse.

It goes both ways and you don't seem to understand that.

Men are at risk, but they are at risk from primarily other men. Women cannot fix that because they are not causing that problem. Women can only fix their risk from men, by avoiding men, if there are no other ways of reducing that risk.

I have actually been saying it's a self-perpetuating cycle on both sides over and over again, but because I'm not doing it with enough apparent sympathy for incels, that must be not what I'm actually saying.

Men devolved into porn thanks to lack of female attention, yes they are responsible for not having self control, but women not holding their societal contract has led men to such a fate.

Mewtwo, men did not devolve into porn because of lack of female attention. Men started to use porn because it felt good and was easy, and then the porn industry introduced the hyper alienating state of porn in increasing stages, which each successive generation of men accepted because each stage was new and fun and exciting every time, up until the present day where we are now. Women are not responsible for the state of porn industry, at best a small degree of women are performers with very little decision making power in the industry, and women who date men in the present day get to share their relationship with their boyfriend/husband's porn use. If it was about real life female attention, men would quit porn once they got into an actual relationship, but most don't.

I understand that most men will have walked into their sexual alienation via porn when they were too young to know better, but still nobody can get them out of that situation but themselves. It is hard to give sympathy to people who want it but who have zero intention of making any necessary self improvement, and who think they can have vast and degenerate porn access and fulfilling sexual connections with real life women when those are two opposing concepts by design.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

I or any other woman should be asked to put ourselves in harm's way of a group of men who are apparently ticking time bombs.

That's already happening, it's called trannies.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Friend of Dorothy Parker - The article is talking about a very one-sided transactional dynamic between young women and older men - aka sugaring. I know people in relationships give each other presents, including those over 30.

Got it. I was responding to this in your comment:

Pretty much any women can tell you that the younger you are the more inappropriate attention you get, and the worst time of your life for inappropriate attention from older men is your early teens. If older men buying 30-something women gifts were that common, men wouldn't be so gleefully memetic about 'the wall'.

My point (and it was a small one with respect to that comment) was that men courting women with material gifts isn't the province of the 20-year-olds.

(I know what you mean).

Knowing a few 20 yos, I think women that age are less likely to be courted in this way than their older sisters/mothers. ...unless you are talking about (as you were in later comnents) sugaring or hypergamy, or, on the flip, the use of material gifts as an exploitative thing.

My personal experience was not seeing material-based attempts at manipulation so much at early teens (wtf?! I was barely sentient at that age, with little more than crushes as part of my "romantic life" then; perhaps I was oblivious at 13, 14...which tbh seems appropriate), but more in 20s, 30s and beyond, as age-appropriate men tended to have means then.

Agree that a 50 yo enticing a 20 yo with [often cheap and thin] displays of money is ick, but geriatric trolling of barely-legals is, though prevalent enough to be noted throughout history, not the norm for most reasonably well adjusted people.

To the bolded, for women at or older (even much older) than 30, many older [than 30] men throw money at women, with the intention to impress in a particular way. They do it - or try it - whether you're 30 or 40 or 50. I understand why many men think it's the currency they must use, and to some degree, it's not 180 degrees wrong (any woman who has supported a man knows that it's a losing game; consider it good or bad, the outcome for that scenario has an extremely low success (meaning happiness) rate compared to when the genders are reversed. Men doing that for women may also be of dubitable positive outcome, but it's very rare for a positive outcome when it is a woman doing the financial labor.). However, these days, I sense that young women are much more likely to anticipate and agree that they should be at least equally contributing [the question of whether that is appropriate, especially once kids come into the picture, is another topic altogether].

Men devolved into porn thanks to lack of female attention

lol, men (and women, too, to a degree) have been looking at porn forever.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Women are used to being able to bully men into doing anything, including throwing themselves into the meat grinder of WW1. They don't understand that the tactic isn't going to work this time.

Well, the current angry woman response to a man is "OH I BET YOURE JUST SOME SMALL DICK INCEL LOSER" like clockwork. However it's losing effectiveness as the women usually screaming it are fat or fat single mothers.

This is really interesting to hear, and it also bears out my experiences. It’s also good you see it now and can acknowledge it. Do you think this is common? I think it is. Ive seen nice men be completely blind to what is to me very obvious flirting (and I’ve also seen men chase women who are very obviously not interested but they keep going at it.)
We are failing young people terribly. Can’t flirt at work or anywhere like that but there’s nowhere else to meet people. There’s a huge communication gap here that’s just getting wider and being filled with resentment of women and fear of men. Women communicate so differently to men and expect men to see those signals and most of them simply don’t. I suspect that in past times there’s be someone interpreting it for them - she likes you, why don’t you go say hi? That kind of thing.

Exactly. That's pretty much dead now. My GOD the shame of having someone go "Eww get away from me you FUCKING CREEP" or "YEAH YOU'RE MAKING ME UNCOMFORTABLE" loudly in public is.... Not fun. Even small talk convo topics are a minefield. If it's something about her outfit or appearance..... Yeah HR is getting called or similar.

I don't think it's Womens fault exactly. I look at media and see the bombardment of media on Women that they don't need Men, they deserve more, Men are trash. Politically, Advertising, I even hear the popular Womens songs. "No scrubs" "God is a Woman" "Who runs the world, Girls". And Women are quite susceptible to social pressure and media.



That's funny, because I was watching a pretty Woman, who obviously works out in a social media video recently. Said she got no RL approaches from Men. It seemed like she wore in a full gym outfit all the time to show off her body. Many Men would probably think you are already taken. Or Men think you are out of their league, and at the first sign of a better guy you'll be gone.

True or she's with a complete fucking loser. I know a few ladies who are mid to late 20s, attractive and have live in unemployed loser boyfriends. All they do is get high and dick around all day. How in the hell did they manage that gig? I've heard that some people are terrified of being alone or that they won't find anyone so they put up with a shit head.

Also, usually guys who do IRL approaches these days have zero shame (skeevy guy) or they're quite confident... You know, the Chad type.

So, the vast majority of average guys won't even go for Ms. Ass-scuncher pants as she films her lower body workout at the gym as she's seen as taken or standoffish.

I would like everyone scrolling through this thread to stop for a moment and take stock of what these Journos, and society at large, think of you. When you have legitimate questions about the general shift toward "acceptance" or are frustrated with modern social structure, you are now an unfuckable hate nerd.

I'm not going to "THIS IS GENOCIDE!!1!!!111!1!!" you, because it's not. Genocide would imply that the modern male has no choice in the matter. This is suicide. This environment we have let those in power and the sick fucks around us build for us is dysfunctional. It has turned you and your loved ones and everyone around you into a domesticated animal. You are now a cog in a machine.

This is not a blackpill; the last thing I want is for anyone to get depressed or give up. The only thing a cog can do to make a change is stop turning. Don't move. Try not to work for a conglomerate, for FUCKS sake don't work for the government. Don't buy things when you don't have to, keep stock of what and from who you are buying things. You only owe what you believe you owe (this is true for everything but the IRS). Do what is valuable to you, make sure to stay healthy (whatever that means for you,) and never bend the knee.

Once you have begun to live your truth and truly love life, that is when the problem of dating is solved. That is how it's always been done. Do not ever succumb to expectations, the importance of expectation pales in comparison to the completion of the real goals you set yourself.

inb4 "I already know this" yeah well don't fucking forget it ok?

400 years ago you would become the village idiot, then roll over and die. Or burn it down. Now you go on hotchinesecartoons.nut and cum your creativity, intelligence and value away. Or kill yourself.

Yep

This is sometimes difficult too though. When I was a much younger sperg, a good friend convinced me that one of our friends was into me. Being a self-conscious lad, I was absolutely convinced she wasn't. But on his advice I gave it a shot anyway. Turns out I was right. She was very, very, VERY not into me.

I don't think he was misleading me on purpose, and I don't even particularly blame the girl for not liking me (I was kind of a shithead at that age), but it made me even more cautious than before. I can't even imagine what it would take at this point to convince me that a girl is interested. People talk about all the signs they missed in the past. I can't think of any. And I'm really not sure if it's low self-esteem, autistic inability to read social situations, or if it's genuinely never happened.

Ouch that sucks dude. At least you finally had an answer.

So what you're saying is we have missed our chance at a quality relationship and family since all the good women got married off. leaving us with the cluster b nutcases. And after enough experiences with them we assume all women are like that and become bitter and jaded? Cause that's been my experience with women. The good women I've met were all taken and the women who weren't were completely unstable.

Sadly yes. There is a LOT of truth to the saying "all the good girls get taken fast". If you see a reasonably attractive young woman and she's single..... There's a reason and it's usually her. Most of my college peer group of nice ladies had their future husbands or VERY long term boyfriends set by age 21/22.

it's not posting on KF, I know that much

also @Otterly I hate to break it to you but if men weren't hassling you and giving you free shit in your late teens/early 20s you were pretty unfortunate looking

I'm going to have to slightly agree. Sorry Mom if you're on the farms but yeah, you were pretty nice looking in the early 1980s. Mom told me she had guys hitting her up quite often at work and other places. Free lunches and dinners were almost a given.

I find it interesting when they start talking about Girlfriend AIs and sex dolls and sex bots that women complain.

I figure women would be thrilled if the unfuckable hate nerds would just retreat to their sexbots and leave them alone.

Hehe then who would they get to yell at on social media for feel good points?

I mean... it's fine. It's not FINE, but it's fine. It felt like the end of the world at the time, and if there's any attempt I wish had gone different it's that one, but here we are. It was a learning experience I suppose. I guess technically it's better to strike out than to not get up to bat. Just would like to at least connect with the ball once in my life.

No homo.

Ehh I once delayed a nice relationship by a solid year and change because I COULDN'T READ SIGNS. At all. Hell I'm still horrible at it.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Mewtwo, men did not devolve into porn because of lack of female attention. Men started to use porn because it felt good and was easy, and then the porn industry introduced the hyper alienating state of porn in increasing stages, which each successive generation of men accepted because each stage was new and fun and exciting every time, up until the present day where we are now. Women are not responsible for the state of porn industry, at best a small degree of women are performers with very little decision making power in the industry, and women who date men in the present day get to share their relationship with their boyfriend/husband's porn use. If it was about real life female attention, men would quit porn once they got into an actual relationship, but most don't.

I understand that most men will have walked into their sexual alienation via porn when they were too young to know better, but still nobody can get them out of that situation but themselves. It is hard to give sympathy to people who want it but who have zero intention of making any necessary self improvement, and who think they can have vast and degenerate porn access and fulfilling sexual connections with real life women when those are two opposing concepts by design.

Well I mean the more degenerate style of course. I don't blame women for porn it's obvious social engineers are to blame and grifters producing from it. Small amounts of porn are fine, as long as you don't let it get too mental or degenerate of course.

I agree with the second paragraph starting. The problem is it becomes addiction I blame their own self control. Well actually it's the porn addicts that turn into degenerates who don't know how to behave properly which is due to loss of connection in the modern age.

lol, men (and women, too, to a degree) have been looking at porn forever.

I'm not talking about looking at it but indulging into it until becoming a huge degenerate or becoming to obsessed with it that it effects their mental development. No one is talking about randomly looking at porn or seeing a few videos with little impact of course.

 

[anustart76]

The solution is one nobody wants. Well, solutions, plural.
Solution 1 is a massive fucking war that will shove all the excess young men into a meat grinder and enrich the already rich and powerful. Those young men will be predominantly the type who were wiped out in WW1/2. Ie productive loyal men. They will be replaced with mystery meat immigrants further destroying societies.
Solution 2. Is a return to more traditional values that value marriage and community and where matches are made not without consent but encouraged by community and community structures. One of your twelve aunties will know a lovely girl, just right for you. Then you’ll get a job which will have a wage you can live off because most women don’t work, and you’ll live a quiet but happy life.
I’d prefer 2, but I suspect 1 is in the wings

I think the globalists really want to do solution 1, but that's just not going to happen. The young men of today don't see any value in joining the military, with veterans actively discouraging them. What guy wants to go die in some shithole for a society that actively hates him? What's more likely is a collapse within a few generations due to a lack of men participating in society and decline in population, and eventually something akin to 2 will return out of necessity.

We won't be around to see it.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Article makes me legitimately MATI not just because of how incredibly condescending it is but also because the author seems to put themselves right up there with Jesus himself.

"These poor unfuckable troglodytes as so awful. This other lefty retard thinks we should ridicule them because of how much they hate women but he's wrong! No, not about how just repulsive these people are lol what are you stupid? We need to reach down to them from on-high and offer them salvation.... somehow. Maybe we can turn them into simps for some tankie thots so their words aren't so vile. But the point is just look at what a good person I am because I'm so compassionate."

Bring on the hats.

I really hate this type of stuff. It's like that FtM troon we had here recently who recorded herself slobbering on TikTok over how it's so lonely being a man and still somehow made it as though women had it worse without showing any emotion to such thing.

They do this to excuse not caring about men's issues while feeling "virtuous" or some shit.

Oh definitely. There's a noticeable lack of male comradery, other than comparably inexperienced nerds jabbering at each other with their theories about what motivates women and how to connect with them. Or grifters like Tate.

Father figures are important but I think even just having a friend or brother a few years older to talk to would've been immensely helpful growing up.

I grew up without a father. Shit's rough.

I can inversely relate. Because of the lack of present fathers/male role models in my vicinity, I have some level of obligation to serve as a father figure, even though I have no wife and no children.

One of my relatives has a paralegal whose sister adopted someone she found out was related. Apparently, the biological father of this boy is unknown, and the only person that does know, the mother, has so many psychological issues, she had to be institutionalized, leaving him in a foster home until a few years back. The problem is: he has no male role models in his life. That's where I come in.

It can be nice to fill that role, but it's work too, work that could be alleviated if the father was in his life.

I find it interesting when they start talking about Girlfriend AIs and sex dolls and sex bots that women complain.

I figure women would be thrilled if the unfuckable hate nerds would just retreat to their sexbots and leave them alone.

Men are stuck in a box. They get ridiculed for not expressing their emotions, but if you do what that cuckold Jordan Peterson does and cry about the plights of men, those same people, particularly the women, question the amount of testosterone in them.

Why bother playing this game that's become unnecessarily complicated and absolutely hypocritical when you could just play video games and browse the Farms and be content with that?

Look at china, with their excess of males, due to families wanting an only child to be a boy. Now there’s bride kidnapping, trafficking of girls and tens of millions of men with no prospect of having a family. That’s a recipe for social unrest

Don't forget that the China have now decided they would go to Africa to find wives, and vice versa.

 

[Netizennameless]

Men are at risk, but they are at risk from primarily other men.

It matters not the gender of who is bashing your face in, it's a problem men as a gender face at 3x the rate of women. And honestly, no one expects you to have sympathy for incels, but it's tone deaf to complain about a problem to people who have that same problem way worse than you do. Are you expecting men to fix women's safety issues as well as their own?

Women can only fix their risk from men, by avoiding men,

This is silly. By that same logic, men can only fix their risk of false rape accusations by never spending any time at work alone with women. Nevermind the fact that 99.9% of your encounters with men never involve violence or rape.

Women cannot fix that because they are not causing that problem

Most men are not violent or causing the problem either. Why is it their responsibility but not women's?

Mewtwo, men did not devolve into porn because of lack of female attention. Men started to use porn because it felt good and was easy,

This is 100% correct. Men need to take responsibility for their own actions. Plenty of self-destructive things in life are tempting. It is on us to resist those temptations for our well-being.

 

[mold]

They CAN'T be, and men know that, but it's all that's left to them. If you've been starving for weeks and can't find even a single grain of rice, eventually you're gonna try eating tree bark.

then why don't women find this appealing

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Do older men generally go after age-appropriate adult women or do studies consistently show that men of any age tend to fixate on women who are around 21-22? Pretty much any women can tell you that the younger you are the more inappropriate attention you get, and the worst time of your life for inappropriate attention from older men is your early teens. If older men buying 30-something women gifts were that common, men wouldn't be so gleefully memetic about 'the wall'.

Young women ideally wouldn't accept unequal transactions like that, but if young men can get demoralised by the state of society then young women can too. And this whole article is asking for sympathy for those demoralised young men.

Women aren't withdrawing from society, they're withdrawing from dating. Almost the entire article is about dating and relationships. Almost all of these complaints always come down to dating and relationships. If men choose to withdraw from the workplace because they can't get a date, that is an issue of priorities that men need to acknowledge and take responsibility for.

Young
Women
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Begone Thot

The closest I can do to explain is to relate it to my profession. I am a software engineer, and there are people who want the prestige and title of being a software engineer. Those people don't make it because they're not willing to do what it takes to become one. Then there are the people who want to know how to write code. They enjoy the challenge of learning and solving problems. They enjoy the process of becoming a software engineer, and the end result is the prestige and the title.

The men who are failing don't want a wife because they want to share their life with someone. They want a wife because successful men have women and losers don't. They don't want the career because they enjoy the work, they don't want to do the work at all.

Or they want a wife for the pussy

 

[Omen_Sulk]

Or they want a wife for the pussy

Guys can buy pussy, or if you are in a country where prostitution is regulated. The Women even have regular medical check ups.

And in this social climate, I think that many guys have largely made the cost benefit analysis and discovered trying to walk through the minefield is simply not worth the ways you can get utterly fucked over.

Redpill/MGTOW communities cover part of it, but they just lay the blame at Women and thats the end of it. They don't try to see where this overall societal rot is really coming from. Which is probably the reason they are allowed to stick around.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Guys can buy pussy, or if you are in a country where prostitution is regulated. The Women even have regular medical check ups.

And in this social climate, I think that many guys have largely made the cost benefit analysis and discovered trying to walk through the minefield is simply not worth the ways you can get utterly fucked over.

Redpill/MGTOW communities cover part of it, but they just lay the blame at Women and thats the end of it. They don't try to see where this overall societal rot is really coming from. Which is probably the reason they are allowed to stick around.

But the pussy that doesn't take money feels better

 

[DavidS877]

But the pussy that doesn't take money feels better

You always have to pay for it, just sometimes it's not cash.

 

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You always have to pay for it, just sometimes it's not cash.

I paid in my broken heart when she left
Still better than paying in cash

 

[Omen_Sulk]

I paid in my broken heart when she left
Still better than paying in cash

You had a girlfriend and she paid for everything? Lucky.

 

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You had a girlfriend and she paid for everything? Lucky.

LOL she actually was rather independent with wanting to pay her own way for things. But I was more of a toy for her anyways. She was older than me and was going through a rebound. Dating a puppy, and doing so quietly. I think part of why she ended up breaking it off was when she realized that I was actually taking it all seriously. Broke up with me and wound up getting engaged less than a month later, which sounds like cheating, but might not have been as apparently that kind of thing wasn't uncommon in her culture. It left me really hurt and confused for a long time.

That's an unavoidable condition of dating, but a brutal one. A person exposes themselves to one of the worst pains in this world (short of your loved ones dying), maybe repeatedly, just for hope.

you know, what's disturbing to women about AI waifus isn't the idea that we're being replaced. it's not even the revelation that there are men whose emotional needs can be met by a toy. it's the revelation that there are men whose emotional needs can be met by a slave

I was having a conversation the other day, on the topic of religion. How the sales pitch of religion has changed over time. You look at religion in ancient times, and what does it sell? Solution to practical problems pertaining to survival. The gods will water your corn. The gods will stop the tornadoes. The gods will drive away the barbarians. All the concerns of a people who are in a constant state of distress from having to fight nature and man for their lives.

Then a civilization gets more advanced, and it becomes a propaganda tool to get people to act somewhat better behaved and obeyed authorities. Then more advanced and the focus becomes psychological in nature, about healing the self.

What I see being pitched more than anything by the American church nowadays is love. Jesus loves you. Jesus is watching out for you. Jesus is your buddy and will help you out through your hard times.

So what does that tell us?

For a huge chunk of the population, their basic emotional needs are not being met. Their needs aren't being met or that wouldn't be the dominant advertising strategy on radio, print, and TV, almost overtaking the one constant, fear of the afterlife.

I think the world is full of people who are all alone inside. Many of them have a wife, friends, and kids.