Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

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Retarded opinion time.

People are way overly negative all the time and I'm getting very tired of it. Everyone on every platform ranging from YouTube, Xitter, and even this gay forum are way too eager to start circle jerking about whatever the fuck pisses them off about whatever instead of focusing on things that they actually like or appreciate about a game. Being critical is good, but being the type of faggot to start screaming and projectile vomiting because [INSERT POLITICAL THING YOU HATE] is in your precious vidya games, swearing that you will never support anything ever made by anyone and you're pirating everything from here on out makes you look like a major retard.
At least you labeled this properly.

I'm not negative because of politics. I'm negative because of the constant downward spiral that gaming as a hobby has become.
I'm negative because of both, fuck Wokeism and fuck greedy, lazy, uninspired developers.

Accusations of games being "woke" is the Online Right's version of the Left calling things "racist", "sexist", or "homophobic".
That's a retarded libertarian take. Homophobia is an absurd notion in and of itself, acknowledging the gay agenda (a part of Wokeism) in media is not absurd.

the accusation of things having gone "woke" loses its potency the more it's used by outrage merchants to slag things that are barely woke
"it's just a trans flag and pronouns, sweaty"

Video game companies are going to invite of bunch of these right-wing creators to come in as consultants to make their games less woke, just like what happened with all the SJWs?
Is Druckmann gonna give a presentation where he shows off Halo Infinite Cortana and talk about how ugly and woke she is? Sounds cool
This guy gets it.

They don't need to. Companies in Asia already make games like Black Myth Wukong, First Descendant, and Marvel Rivals which are the opposite of woke.
No they're not. Not being woke isn't the opposite of woke, a game would actively need to be based in that case. I highly doubt Marvel Ricvls in particular is even free of any and all woke shit to begin with.

They make you play as the gay femboy from MGS2 and force you to kill a US Senator that just wants to Make America Great Again, woke rating seems fair.
Music and cutting mechanics were cool though.
Seems less woke and more anti-American, probably some racist japs or something. Gay retarded political shit isn't necessarily woke by default.

I never bought Dustborn, Forspoken, Concord, or any of the other games I said were blatantly woke because they are demoralizing propaganda.
"Subtly woke" games are even worse, at least if it's overt then it's easier to spot and dismiss, but conditioning people with lowkey propaganda is much, much more effective in longterm social engineering. It gets people like you defending the trans flag in the new slop game you bought just because it's not prominently displayed on the cover, yet still doublethinking your way into believing you're against Wokeism.

if metal gear didnt have a cult of personality of sadboy-but-gruff-i-swear self inserters it would 1000% be called woke by the usual suspects for the old niggas kissing in 4 and when snake + kaz have a date on the beach and fuck inside of a cardboard box in peace walker, which ackschually don't count because they're manly epic and badass or something
Because they're jokes and Kojima's weirdness, that's why they don't count. If you can't tell the difference between gay propaganda and eccentric Japanese shit you already lost.

Globalist claptrap is not what "woke" is. "Woke" doesn't mean "anything the new right doesn't like." Woke is a Western, neo-Marxist mind virus that claims the entire social order is a system built to oppress women, coloreds, and fags, and all their perceived problems are a result of this order, which must be torn down and rebuilt to liberate them and achieve equality.
That's rather succinctly put.

You got a source for this? Because it sounds like some shit you made up on the spot. "Woke" in modern usage absolutely means "things the right doesn't like."
Sound like shit you made up on the spot and instantly, unironically did the "source? source? source?" meme.
 
Sound like shit you made up on the spot and instantly, unironically did the "source? source? source?" meme.
I was just pointing out how @The Ugly One was making things up and stating it as fact. I should have said "it came to you in a dream" As for the modern usage of "woke" I invite you to type it into the search bar of this site and tell me it doesn't just mean anything the right doesn't like.
 
As for the modern usage of "woke" I invite you to type it into the search bar of this site and tell me it doesn't just mean anything the right doesn't like.
By definition it doesn't. People misuse words often, including woke, but no more than usual. The average usage is more or less accurate.
 
By definition it doesn't. People misuse words often, including woke, but no more than usual. The average usage is more or less accurate.
Who is the arbiter of what exactly is woke and not woke, though? I was just point pointing out that @The Ugly One was using a bizarrely specific definition seemingly made up on the spot and this is apparently unreasonable.
 
Who is the arbiter of what exactly is woke and not woke, though? I was just point pointing out that @The Ugly One was using a bizarrely specific definition seemingly made up on the spot and this is apparently unreasonable.
It's a political term, so insofar as politics are grey, so too is Wokeism. It's really not difficult to spot, but it can be a bit ambiguous since it involves intent. Like fags for example; not every instance of a faggot in media is woke, but it is when it's motivated by liberal ideals (including them for inclusivity purposes, portraying them positively to combat "harmful" stereotypes, etc).

His definition isn't unreasonable and is pretty much in line with the actual definitions in dictionaries and on Wikipedia, perhaps a bit more elaborate or specific, but not contradictory.
 
His definition isn't unreasonable and is pretty much in line with the actual definitions in dictionaries and on Wikipedia, perhaps a bit more elaborate or specific, but not contradictory.
If that's what we're using, then my initial statement about the Boss wasn't contradictory either
Wikipedia said:
By 2019, the term was being used sarcastically as a pejorative among many on the political right and some centrists to disparage leftist and progressive movements as superficial and insincere performative activism.
Sounds like "everything the right disagrees with [including open borders]" to me. I don't really know what more there is to say at this point. It's just semantics.
 
If that's what we're using, then my initial statement about the Boss wasn't contradictory either
You're suggesting the Boss was a vehicle for Kojima's sincerely held political views, and that those views were woke?

Sounds like "everything the right disagrees with [including open borders]" to me. I don't really know what more there is to say at this point. It's just semantics.
I think you just want to think it sounds that way. Also, it seems Wikipedia changed it. Here's what it originally said, plus Webster's definition, and my thoughts on it:

You could easily define it, Wikipedia does as "a pejorative for various leftist and progressive movements and ideologies", and Webster's as "politically liberal or progressive (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme". In the context of media, you can basically just consider it synonymous with agitprop.

Or, simply, libtard shit.
 
You're suggesting the Boss was a vehicle for Kojima's sincerely held political views, and that those views were woke?
Here is my original quote:
The Boss' worldview is basically a bunch of globalist claptrap. Though I could put that down to ignorance as Kojima is Japanese and therefore has no idea what open borders are actually like.
I said that it comes off as woke, but might be Hideo Kojima not understanding what open borders are actually like.. @The Ugly One said it couldn't possibly come off as woke because of a seemingly arbitrary definition. I asked for elaboration (which I admit I could have worded better) and you decided to go on this really weird tangent involving dictionary definitions of woke.

I think you just want to think it sounds that way.
This just boils down to "nuh-uh!" We should agree to disagree on this. This is stupid.
 
These games being the opposite of woke games is pretty grim.
Not really. The games might be bad, but they have content woke people hate. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Especially since "woke right" is a thing now.

That's a retarded libertarian take. Homophobia is an absurd notion in and of itself, acknowledging the gay agenda (a part of Wokeism) in media is not absurd.
Homophobia claims come from the 90s where it was fairly common for "family values" politicians and pundits to be outed as gay, in the same way many male feminists get outed as sex pests.

As for the modern usage of "woke" I invite you to type it into the search bar of this site and tell me it doesn't just mean anything the right doesn't like.
Who is the arbiter of what exactly is woke and not woke, though?
Me.

I'm only half joking. I can't tell if you're doing this deliberately as a derailing tactic, or are genuinely not getting it. You can't demand an exacting list of what is and isn't woke in the same way you can't have a concrete definition of "tall".

"It's anyone over six foot two sweety."
"What about women, or asia men, or cars, or broom handles?"

Is having a black person in a game "woke"? Assassins Creed Shadows says yes. But Yasoke Simulator says no.
 
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Here is my original quote:

I said that it comes off as woke, but might be Hideo Kojima not understanding what open borders are actually like.. @The Ugly One said it couldn't possibly come off as woke because of a seemingly arbitrary definition. I asked for elaboration (which I admit I could have worded better) and you decided to go on this really weird tangent involving dictionary definitions of woke.
Which game talks about open borders? I only beat MGS1-3, Acid 1 & 2, and played some of MGS4. I'm assuming either Portable Ops or Peace Walker? What's Boss say about it?

There's nothing weird about acknowledging the definitions of words, you're trying to win this with ad hominem.

This just boils down to "nuh-uh!" We should agree to disagree on this. This is stupid.
It doesn't, but sure, if you insist.
 
Not sure if this has been said yet but this opinion is almost always disagreed with:

Bethesda haven't made a good game in over 25 years (yes, I am including Morrowind in that). Last game of theirs I really liked was Daggerfall, they're okay as a publisher though.
Yea sorry morrowind is the cutoff. Also they WERE good as publishers. Picking up Arkane was genius but they've been on a losing streak for like 3 games now, Tango was great but they got cut because starfield led to heavy cuts and that really only leaves ID, Doom Eternal is great but thats about it so far, I'm excited for Dark Ages.
 
Yea sorry morrowind is the cutoff. Also they WERE good as publishers. Picking up Arkane was genius but they've been on a losing streak for like 3 games now, Tango was great but they got cut because starfield led to heavy cuts and that really only leaves ID, Doom Eternal is great but thats about it so far, I'm excited for Dark Ages.
It's the exact opposite commercial-wise. From the outside looking in, Bethesda was mid-tier at best until Oblivion put them on the AAA map, and Skyrim elevated them to Godlike status in terms of video game makers. Prior to that, they couldn't come up to Square Enix's kneecaps, and they were one of many CRPG/DnD-RPG companies that barely made a blip, no matter how much critical acclaim they garnered. Final Fantasy was eating their lunch until Skyrim showed the world the extent of what a WRPG can do, and Skyrim impressed the world so much, they kept buying its re-releases. The Japanese, known for being traditional and not being so open to outside ideas when it comes to game design, started taking notes and started copying the Skyrim formula.

We can all pretend that Morrowind and the games before it were better, but at the end of the day, money talks. You don't see an endless horde wanting to re-buy Morrowind, Arena, or Battlespire over and over again, but you do see that with Skyrim. You can call it a piece of shit all you like, but it's the piece that the people love to spend money on, over and over again. Even on consoles like the Switch where modding is impossible.

That's a retarded libertarian take. Homophobia is an absurd notion in and of itself, acknowledging the gay agenda (a part of Wokeism) in media is not absurd.
Then say goodbye to a lot of RPGs from the 90s and the 2000s which had things like gay relationships. Because LGBT has been in video games long before people started dreading the word "woke".

"it's just a trans flag and pronouns, sweaty"
There's games with neither that have been accused of being woke. Last I checked, Metal Gear has neither, and some still accused it of being woke.

No they're not. Not being woke isn't the opposite of woke, a game would actively need to be based in that case. I highly doubt Marvel Ricvls in particular is even free of any and all woke shit to begin with.
I'm pretty sure what's considered "based" differs from person to person. Some would consider Marvel Rivals to be based just because it's not afraid of women with T&A.

Not really. The games might be bad, but they have content woke people hate. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Especially since "woke right" is a thing now.
The "woke right" even existing goes to show that the Right is arrogant enough to forget why people rushed to their side to be against the woke left. They think that just because they do it for religion/nationalism/anti-feminism, that their attempts at control and censorship would be welcomed.

Homophobia claims come from the 90s where it was fairly common for "family values" politicians and pundits to be outed as gay, in the same way many male feminists get outed as sex pests.
That's why it's always hilarious to me when the Right acts like they've got the high ground. They act all moral and righteous, then behind closed doors, they do everything they accuse the Left of doing. That's how the Right lost moral authority in the 2000s. Too many reports of right-leaning politicians and religious figures being degenerates tarnished their reputation among the populace, giving the Left an easy way in, allowing them to dominate culture up until the mid-2010s and the start of Gamergate.

Who is the arbiter of what exactly is woke and not woke, though?
The problem is, there is none. Anyone can call anything woke or based. Some people might say Mass Effect 1 is woke because the good options are all about tolerance, and they have gay sex for lesbians in the game, while some might say it's based because it's a game unafraid to show some cheesecake. Ultima 8 using pentagrams and demonic iconography would be considered based by the secular right and people who hate the religious, while the religious right would consider it tryhard edgelord cringe.
 
Homophobia claims come from the 90s where it was fairly common for "family values" politicians and pundits to be outed as gay, in the same way many male feminists get outed as sex pests.
The 90's is where this stuff really ramped up, in retrospect.

Then say goodbye to a lot of RPGs from the 90s and the 2000s which had things like gay relationships.
Bye.

Last I checked, Metal Gear has neither, and some still accused it of being woke.
There's always going to be retards.

I'm pretty sure what's considered "based" differs from person to person. Some would consider Marvel Rivals to be based just because it's not afraid of women with T&A.
To a degree, but just having T&A in an otherwise liberal wetdream wouldn't make a game based. Knowing Marvel, there's no way a little cleavage will make up for the liberal garbage.
 
To a degree, but just having T&A in an otherwise liberal wetdream wouldn't make a game based. Knowing Marvel, there's no way a little cleavage will make up for the liberal garbage.
What liberal garbage? Marvel Rivals is hardly political. Just some capeshit heroes duking it out Fortnite-style.

There's always going to be retards.
And the retards would become your standard-bearers. Which will be embarrassing for your side.
 
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You got a source for this? Because it sounds like some shit you made up on the spot. "Woke" in modern usage absolutely means "things the right doesn't like."
"Woke" hasn't been around long enough for there to be an archaic usage and a modern usage.

The source is I didn't just discover the internet yesterday and was around when the term entered the mainstream from its original use by blacks to refer to "waking up" to how our entire society is built on racism and therefore is intrinsically impossible of admitting them to it on equal basis, necessitating tearing it down to its foundations. Stop being this fag:

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EDIT: holy shit lmao stop tagging me, why are you seething this hard about being wrong

EDIT 2: Your main argument seems to be, "If what you say is true, why am I so mad?" Are you a woman or something?
 
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What liberal garbage? Marvel Rivals is hardly political. Just some capeshit heroes duking it out Fortnite-style.
I don't play Marvel trash, just making the safe assumption modern Marvel has to get some woke shit in there somewhere. If it's not, then great, but don't act like it's weird to think Disney would make a woke Marvel product.

And the retards would become your standard-bearers. Which will be embarrassing for your side.
My retards are better than the opposition's, all that matters.
 
It's the exact opposite commercial-wise. From the outside looking in, Bethesda was mid-tier at best until Oblivion put them on the AAA map, and Skyrim elevated them to Godlike status in terms of video game makers. Prior to that, they couldn't come up to Square Enix's kneecaps, and they were one of many CRPG/DnD-RPG companies that barely made a blip, no matter how much critical acclaim they garnered. Final Fantasy was eating their lunch until Skyrim showed the world the extent of what a WRPG can do, and Skyrim impressed the world so much, they kept buying its re-releases. The Japanese, known for being traditional and not being so open to outside ideas when it comes to game design, started taking notes and started copying the Skyrim formula.

We can all pretend that Morrowind and the games before it were better, but at the end of the day, money talks. You don't see an endless horde wanting to re-buy Morrowind, Arena, or Battlespire over and over again, but you do see that with Skyrim. You can call it a piece of shit all you like, but it's the piece that the people love to spend money on, over and over again. Even on consoles like the Switch where modding is impossible.
This is such a retarded argument. Money matters for the company selling the game it has nothing to do with the actual quality of the game it just equates to how many retards will buy the game to play it twice.
 
This is such a retarded argument. Money matters for the company selling the game it has nothing to do with the actual quality of the game it just equates to how many retards will buy the game to play it twice.
Money matters, because people spend money on games they see as high-quality. Many bad games failed because people didn't buy them enough. People buy games that they enjoy, that are good in their eyes.

You can claim Morrowind was better all you want; the gaming public showed otherwise. Not only the players, but other game devs who tried to copy Skyrim's formula.
 
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Money matters, because people spend money on games they see as high-quality. Many bad games failed because people didn't buy them enough.
Games don't "fail" they're made and release and are judged on their merits. Again this is just a retarded argument. The Wonderful 101 may have sold almost no copies it's still unequivocally one of the greatest action games to ever exist if not the best. Prey 2017, Hi-Fi Rush are similar it doesn't matter if they sell just that we can play them and judge their quality on their merits, you're talking about how much marketing they got instead.

I guess a game like Tevi or Noita is just shit to you because they didn't sell 10 million copies.
 
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