US Utah bans fluoride in public drinking water, a first in the US - a win for the schizos of the beehive state?

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By MATTHEW BROWN, HANNAH SCHOENBAUM and MEAD GRUVER
Updated 5:47 PM EDT, March 28, 2025
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Utah has become the first state to ban fluoride in public drinking water, pushing past opposition from dentists and national health organizations who warn the move will lead to medical problems that disproportionately affect low-income communities.
Republican Gov. Spencer Cox signed legislation Thursday barring cities and communities from deciding whether to add the mineral to their water systems.
Florida, Ohio and South Carolina are considering similar measures, while in New Hampshire, North Dakota and Tennessee, lawmakers have rejected them. A bill in Kentucky to make fluoridation optional stalled in the state Senate.
The American Dental Association sharply criticized the Utah law, saying it showed “wanton disregard for the oral health and well-being of their constituents.”
Cavities are the most common chronic childhood disease, the ADA noted. Fluoride strengthens teeth and reduces cavities by replacing minerals lost during normal wear and tear, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“As a father and a dentist, it is disheartening to see that a proven, public health policy, which exists for the greater good of an entire community’s oral health, has been dismantled based on distorted pseudoscience,” the association’s president, Denver dentist Brett Kessler, said in a statement.


Is fluoride unhealthful? Some lawmakers say it is​

The ban, effective May 7, brings into the mainstream concerns over fluoridation that for decades were considered fringe opinions.
It comes weeks after water fluoridation skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was sworn in as U.S. health secretary. Kennedy said in November that the administration of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump would advise water systems nationwide to remove fluoride.
Cox, who grew up and raised his own children in a community without fluoridated water, compared it recently to being medicated by the government. Utah lawmakers also said the ban was a matter of personal health choice and that putting fluoride in water is too expensive.

Florida’s surgeon general last year recommended against community water fluoridation because of what he called its “neuropsychiatric risk.” That guidance came after a federal judge ordered the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to regulate fluoride in drinking water because high levels could pose a risk to the intellectual development of children.
Federal officials determined last year “with moderate confidence” that there was a link between higher levels of fluoride exposure and lower IQ in kids. But the National Toxicology Program based its conclusion on studies involving fluoride levels at about twice the recommended limit for drinking water. The amounts of fluoride that can be added to water based on federal guidelines are below levels considered problematic, Kessler said.

It’s nearly impossible to get a toxic dose of fluoride in water, the NIH says​

The National Institutes of Health says very high doses of fluoride that can cause sickness are typically the result of rare accidents, such as the unintentional swallowing of fluoride used by dentists’ offices or supplements inappropriately given to children. The agency says it’s “virtually impossible” to get a toxic dose from fluoride that’s added to water or toothpaste at standard levels.
However, communities sometimes exceed the recommended levels because fluoride occurs naturally at higher levels in certain water sources. In 2011, officials reported that 2 in 5 U.S. adolescents had at least mild tooth streaking or spottiness because of too much fluoride.
Since 2015, federal health officials have recommended a fluoridation level of 0.7 milligrams per liter of water. For five decades before that, the recommended upper range was 1.2 milligrams per liter. The World Health Organization has set a safe limit for fluoride in drinking water of 1.5 milligrams per liter.

Fluoride is considered one of the greatest health achievements in 100 years​

The addition of low levels of fluoride to drinking water has long been considered one of the greatest public health achievements of the past century: one of the most cost-effective ways to prevent tooth decay on a large scale.
In 1950, federal officials endorsed water fluoridation to prevent tooth decay, and they continued to promote it even after fluoride toothpaste brands hit the market several years later. More than 200 million people in the U.S., or almost two-thirds of the population, receive fluoridated public water.

Fluoride in drinking water can reduce cavities by at least 25% for all age groups, according to the Utah Dental Association. Opponents of the Utah legislation to limit fluoridation warn it will have a disproportionately negative effect on low-income residents who may rely on fluoridated water as their only source of preventative dental care.

It’s a matter of personal choice, Utah’s bill sponsor says​


The sponsor of the Utah legislation, Republican Rep. Stephanie Gricius, acknowledged fluoride has benefits, but said it was an issue of “individual choice” to not have it in the water.

Out of the 484 Utah water systems that reported data in 2024, only 66 fluoridated their water, an Associated Press analysis showed. The largest was that in the state’s biggest municipality, Salt Lake City.
Utah in 2022 ranked 44th in the nation for the percentage of residents that receive fluoridated water, according to the CDC data.

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Brown reported from Billings, Montana. Gruver reported from Cheyenne, Wyoming.
 
The disconnect of fluoride is its the active ingredient ingredient in toothpaste (but don't swallow toothpaste) but will have an effect if you just bubble trace amounts in water.

The whole thing of fluoride in water having a noticeable positive effect stinks of bad science that should've been disproven years ago.
 
I grew up in a well off area with two dental hygienists in the family... we didn't have floudie in the water. I don't buy into it makes the frogs gay etc. But, I'm 40 brushed well saw dentists... one cavity.

I think it's over hyped on both good and bad.. frankly I think it's better on the good. But I digress.
 
The passionate opposition to removing fluoridation by some is a curious thing - because it's not scientific but purely a backlash against doing so because they've been told that it's Conspiracy Theorists who want to do so. I doubt more than a handful could actually cite scientific evidence for keeping it. It's strange to me that some people should be so against something just because they've been told "Conspiracy Theorists" believe it. Deep down, they just feel like the "Conspiracy Theorists" must not win. Else what else might they convince people of?
 
If you want to see what happens when you don't have fluoride in your water just look at third world shitholes. Bad teeth bleeding gums and so on.

The US is pretty much a third world country with a Gucci belt. I guess we might as well have the bad teeth and dental problems to go along with it.

As much as Alexstein Jonesberg ranted about fluoride (which is just some Boomer tier conspiritard shit) he sold products in his online store with fluoride in them. But that was good fluoride. LOL

Not the fluoride that the Nazis put in the water in their camps to keep the Jews from fighting back.

LOL

He actually said stupid Kike shit like that. LOL
 
The passionate opposition to removing fluoridation by some is a curious thing - because it's not scientific but purely a backlash against doing so because they've been told that it's Conspiracy Theorists who want to do so. I doubt more than a handful could actually cite scientific evidence for keeping it. It's strange to me that some people should be so against something just because they've been told "Conspiracy Theorists" believe it. Deep down, they just feel like the "Conspiracy Theorists" must not win. Else what else might they convince people of?
Basically yeah. If you read the article, most of Utah's water system's don't even put fluoride in the water already. Which makes the backlash even more ridiculous when you think about it. All its doing is bringing the standards of water in line with the rest of the state. The conspiracy theorist smear is bullshit, because that would mean most of the state is part of said conspiracy already by default.
 
Water fluoridation was one of the first right wing conspiracy theories from the John Birch Society days. Even Kubrick made fun of it in Dr. Strangelove. That's why soy-addicted redditors start frothing at the mouth whenever you try to remove it from their water. Fluoride also calcifies your pineal gland and makes you retarded so if you remove it from the water that means less redditors.
Right.

Interestingly enough, the idea of dumping fluoride into American drinking water was pushed onto us in the 1950s by Florida's phosphate industry, which needed to get rid of toxic waste and realized that they could both solve their problem AND make a tidy profit if they sold their waste to the government under mandatory fluoridization schemes. The fluoride we drink is a raw industrial poison commonly used to kill rats en masse, and while it "may" be "safe" for humans when diluted into drinking water (according to well-compensated scientists funded by government officials with known financial conflicts of interest), there's also very little evidence that it helps.

In other words, it's exactly the sort of thing the Left would usually be up in arms about, except instead of Upton Sinclair telling them that their meat is dirty or Ralph Nader telling them that their cars will explode or even Captain fucking Planet telling them oil is heap big icky and having babies makes Mother Nature cry, the Left's first cultural exposure to fluoride was Kubrick telling them that anyone skeptical about dumping untreated industrial waste into the national water supply is some kind of dangerous, American, anti-communist kook.

So coal is murder and gas pipelines are racist because I guess sometimes deer have a hard time jumping over them, but Current Yearers will never even consider questioning their love of drinking industrial waste.
 
Do people in the USA even drink tap water rather than soda or gay water brands?

depends on where you are

some places have very very good water and it's stupid to buy water, you're getting mountain spring and snow melt right out the tap

if sciencebros tell me that the science is settled and flouridation doesn't matter I'll believe you over my lying eyes because what I see could be caused by other factors

it looks to me like flouridation matters but the places I have lived without flouridation are populated by the less intelligent and conscientious descendents of people from the british isles
 
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There is no flouride in the water, and even there was, it is a good thing. Don't you know anything, you stupid conspiracy theorist?
What's that, we're dropping flouride in the water at the same time as we're dropping the loony LGBTQ shit in public schools and government property? Huh, I wonder how these two things are connected?
 
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If you want to see what happens when you don't have fluoride in your water just look at third world shitholes. Bad teeth bleeding gums and so on.

The US is pretty much a third world country with a Gucci belt. I guess we might as well have the bad teeth and dental problems to go along with it.

As much as Alexstein Jonesberg ranted about fluoride (which is just some Boomer tier conspiritard shit) he sold products in his online store with fluoride in them. But that was good fluoride. LOL

Not the fluoride that the Nazis put in the water in their camps to keep the Jews from fighting back.

LOL

He actually said stupid Kike shit like that. LOL

I think you’re attributing wayyyy too much of the difference between third world and first world teeth to fluoridated water lol.

Here is what even the most ardent fluoride supporters say the current benefits are:

Fluoridating city water supplies initially slashed kids’ cavity rates by 50 to 70 percent and lowered adults’ rates by 20 to 40 percent, vastly reducing tooth pain, infection and loss. But now that toothpaste and beverage companies also add fluoride to their products, the benefits of community water fluoridation have decreased: several credible studies estimate that fluoridated water now reduces child and adult tooth decay by about 25 percent. The CDC and the American Dental Association emphasize that this still remains a significant benefit—and meaningfully shrinks dental health disparities.

The benefits are basically zero to anyone who brushes their teeth.

Now, I’m not against helping kids with neglectful parents who never make them brush their teeth, but is adding stuff to drinking water the best way to do this? Or even a good way? I suspect at this point we could get a lot more bang for our $$ by having dentists at schools or something.
 
Do people in the USA even drink tap water rather than soda or gay water brands?
We didn’t really even have bottled (flat) water as an option until maybe the 80s? And it wasn’t common until the mid-90s. By the 2000s, people started thinking of tap water as gross and using filters.

Anecdotally, the best tasting tap water I ever had was in Denmark.
 
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