US Utah bans fluoride in public drinking water, a first in the US - a win for the schizos of the beehive state?

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By MATTHEW BROWN, HANNAH SCHOENBAUM and MEAD GRUVER
Updated 5:47 PM EDT, March 28, 2025
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Utah has become the first state to ban fluoride in public drinking water, pushing past opposition from dentists and national health organizations who warn the move will lead to medical problems that disproportionately affect low-income communities.
Republican Gov. Spencer Cox signed legislation Thursday barring cities and communities from deciding whether to add the mineral to their water systems.
Florida, Ohio and South Carolina are considering similar measures, while in New Hampshire, North Dakota and Tennessee, lawmakers have rejected them. A bill in Kentucky to make fluoridation optional stalled in the state Senate.
The American Dental Association sharply criticized the Utah law, saying it showed “wanton disregard for the oral health and well-being of their constituents.”
Cavities are the most common chronic childhood disease, the ADA noted. Fluoride strengthens teeth and reduces cavities by replacing minerals lost during normal wear and tear, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“As a father and a dentist, it is disheartening to see that a proven, public health policy, which exists for the greater good of an entire community’s oral health, has been dismantled based on distorted pseudoscience,” the association’s president, Denver dentist Brett Kessler, said in a statement.


Is fluoride unhealthful? Some lawmakers say it is​

The ban, effective May 7, brings into the mainstream concerns over fluoridation that for decades were considered fringe opinions.
It comes weeks after water fluoridation skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was sworn in as U.S. health secretary. Kennedy said in November that the administration of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump would advise water systems nationwide to remove fluoride.
Cox, who grew up and raised his own children in a community without fluoridated water, compared it recently to being medicated by the government. Utah lawmakers also said the ban was a matter of personal health choice and that putting fluoride in water is too expensive.

Florida’s surgeon general last year recommended against community water fluoridation because of what he called its “neuropsychiatric risk.” That guidance came after a federal judge ordered the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to regulate fluoride in drinking water because high levels could pose a risk to the intellectual development of children.
Federal officials determined last year “with moderate confidence” that there was a link between higher levels of fluoride exposure and lower IQ in kids. But the National Toxicology Program based its conclusion on studies involving fluoride levels at about twice the recommended limit for drinking water. The amounts of fluoride that can be added to water based on federal guidelines are below levels considered problematic, Kessler said.

It’s nearly impossible to get a toxic dose of fluoride in water, the NIH says​

The National Institutes of Health says very high doses of fluoride that can cause sickness are typically the result of rare accidents, such as the unintentional swallowing of fluoride used by dentists’ offices or supplements inappropriately given to children. The agency says it’s “virtually impossible” to get a toxic dose from fluoride that’s added to water or toothpaste at standard levels.
However, communities sometimes exceed the recommended levels because fluoride occurs naturally at higher levels in certain water sources. In 2011, officials reported that 2 in 5 U.S. adolescents had at least mild tooth streaking or spottiness because of too much fluoride.
Since 2015, federal health officials have recommended a fluoridation level of 0.7 milligrams per liter of water. For five decades before that, the recommended upper range was 1.2 milligrams per liter. The World Health Organization has set a safe limit for fluoride in drinking water of 1.5 milligrams per liter.

Fluoride is considered one of the greatest health achievements in 100 years​

The addition of low levels of fluoride to drinking water has long been considered one of the greatest public health achievements of the past century: one of the most cost-effective ways to prevent tooth decay on a large scale.
In 1950, federal officials endorsed water fluoridation to prevent tooth decay, and they continued to promote it even after fluoride toothpaste brands hit the market several years later. More than 200 million people in the U.S., or almost two-thirds of the population, receive fluoridated public water.

Fluoride in drinking water can reduce cavities by at least 25% for all age groups, according to the Utah Dental Association. Opponents of the Utah legislation to limit fluoridation warn it will have a disproportionately negative effect on low-income residents who may rely on fluoridated water as their only source of preventative dental care.

It’s a matter of personal choice, Utah’s bill sponsor says​


The sponsor of the Utah legislation, Republican Rep. Stephanie Gricius, acknowledged fluoride has benefits, but said it was an issue of “individual choice” to not have it in the water.

Out of the 484 Utah water systems that reported data in 2024, only 66 fluoridated their water, an Associated Press analysis showed. The largest was that in the state’s biggest municipality, Salt Lake City.
Utah in 2022 ranked 44th in the nation for the percentage of residents that receive fluoridated water, according to the CDC data.

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Brown reported from Billings, Montana. Gruver reported from Cheyenne, Wyoming.
 
If you want to see what happens when you don't have fluoride in your water just look at third world shitholes. Bad teeth bleeding gums and so on.
No, it’s because they don’t brush their teeth because they’re a third world shithole, tard. They also have no dentists and any that are in those countries are shit.
which is just some Boomer tier conspiritard shit
That so?
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PER 1 MG! ONE MILLIGRAM!
 
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Lastly, it costs money and makes water taste noticeably (to me, anyway) different/chemical-y
I'd argue the taste is more due to other things they do during treatment. I hate when the local water authority chlorinates the water to sanitize. It smells awful.

I wonder how many Americans even drunk public water. Kids don't drink from the hose like they used to. Shit, I get disgusted looks if I'm thirsty and drink from a spigot when we've been sweating our asses off for 8 hours with no break. They'd rather all drive to the nearest gas station and get soft drinks or at best some pedialyte.
 
I think you’re attributing wayyyy too much of the difference between third world and first world teeth to fluoridated water lol.

Here is what even the most ardent fluoride supporters say the current benefits are:



The benefits are basically zero to anyone who brushes their teeth.

Now, I’m not against helping kids with neglectful parents who never make them brush their teeth, but is adding stuff to drinking water the best way to do this? Or even a good way? I suspect at this point we could get a lot more bang for our $$ by having dentists at schools or something.
A stupid previous friend of a friend just wanted things to be all natural and didn’t really get the logic of how lots of things worked and was a fairly young single mother and got toothpaste for her kid without fluoride just thinking it was more natural since it was always in the natural section, not realizing you might as well brush your teeth with frosting based on what was in it.

So there’s a high chance some segment is gonna get way less.

TBH though this nanny state aspect is really pretty retarded. It does have its place in limited circumstances but focusing on the niggers and criminals and keeping the absolute dregs of society alive another day to leech on normies is really sick.

So a drastic pendulum swing back, undoing a fuck ton of “because it’s good for you” regulations, then letting niggers and retards kill themselves in all kinds of ways, would be really good for a century or so.

Absolutely including not funding narcan. The fucking only thing that really cures homeless filth effectively is fentanyl.
 
A stupid previous friend of a friend just wanted things to be all natural and didn’t really get the logic of how lots of things worked and was a fairly young single mother and got toothpaste for her kid without fluoride just thinking it was more natural since it was always in the natural section, not realizing you might as well brush your teeth with frosting based on what was in it.
Brushing your teeth brings its own benefits in dislodging food particles and reducing plaque formation. I'd go so far as to say the main benefit of brushing your teeth is from the brushing in fact and whatever benefit a fluoride toothpaste brings it's more of a modest benefit than the main part.
 
TBH though this nanny state aspect is really pretty retarded. It does have its place in limited circumstances but focusing on the niggers and criminals and keeping the absolute dregs of society alive another day to leech on normies is really sick.

So a drastic pendulum swing back, undoing a fuck ton of “because it’s good for you” regulations, then letting niggers and retards kill themselves in all kinds of ways, would be really good for a century or so.

Real talk tho, I think this is the heart of the issue. Right now, we are all paying a little extra $ to drink tiny bits of bad-tasting maybe-poison with our water because some people won’t brush their teeth.

I think we need to discuss whether this is the best way to help people where this isn’t their fault (eg kids with neglectful parents) and just see if we can pay for them to get a dentist at school or something.

More like toothless Cosmopolitan, heh

I have beautiful teeth! No cavities and no gingivitis 😁
 
So if it is banned in the states what about all the soda and bottled water being sold that contains it?
Theres a lot of bottled water brands that come from natural sources, and then Soda is often filled with tap water. Of course I’m pretty sure some bottled water brands are just filled with tap water as well. That would mean those soda and water brands would no longer contain fluoride. Now even if the fluoride was removed from the water nationwide, that doesn’t remove all the shit from the birth control meds women flush down the toilet. Spring water is still the way to go.
 
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Great! Now can they make safe, palatable tap water that doesn't taste like it's sourced directly from my neighbor's backyard pool?
 
Fun fact we've since developed effective non-fluoride toothpaste as well which is incredibly common abroad and the default toothpaste in Japan after getting initially developed by NASA. There is no point in fluoridating water anymore and the brain damage it causes to children and adults is no longer acceptable in any amount. The resistance to removing it comes entirely from people spitefully attributing the decision to conspiracy theorists despite us being well past the point of needing fluoridated water. The struggle is to make it nonpartisan since it isn't a political position and is just a matter of a legitimately harmful thing with no benefits and millions in costs being defended by people who drink too much tap water I guess.
 
The benefits are basically zero to anyone who brushes their teeth.
This. I'm not even a POE fluoridation lunatic, but if something costs any amount of money and the actual benefit is near zero, quit doing it. It's possible there are still some remote impoverished locations in Appalachia or wherever where there's still some benefit over not doing it, but most fluoridation programs started when toothpaste was barely a thing and lots of people didn't even have it.

Those places are few and far between now.

Personally, I've switched to nano-hydroxyapatite toothpaste, followed by a fluoride mouthwash later in the day.
I think we need to discuss whether this is the best way to help people where this isn’t their fault (eg kids with neglectful parents) and just see if we can pay for them to get a dentist at school or something.
You don't even need an actual dentist, just a nice cute dental hygienist to explain how to brush and provide the ultra-cheap means of doing so, even with a choice between fluoride and n-Ha for the fluoride paranoids.

Also the problem with fluoridated water over things like toothpaste or mouthwash is you CONSUME water, and LOTS of it. So if it actually is harmful, it makes an otherwise healthy practice (drinking lots of water) UNHEALTHY.

In short, there is literally no reason, at least in the vast majority of locations, to fluoridate water any more, if there ever was a good reason for doing it.
Of course I’m pretty sure some bottled water brands are just filled with tap water as well.
It is. Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" series had an episode that deboonked the scam of bottled water really well.
 
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