VHS another asymmetric slasher game (free to play) - Surely, this one must be solid after so many failures? Spoilers: the balance sucks and the devs are faggots

[BrunoMattei]

My new speed run.

I have all of the Wolf's tier 1 perks unlocked. It'll take me another 20-30 matches to get the tier 2 perks. Then I'll probably stop with the Wolf. I don't think the Werewolf is weak but I just kind of gravitate more towards Wart and -call it petty- but I really hate the footsteps the Wolf makes when running around.

The Werewolf has the best chance of breaking through a group with weapons but there's still shit they can do. Wolf can do absolutely nothing against shocksphere for one thing except just run away. They can also have a guy act as bait, take the Howl, and then run back to them where they're just outside of the range of the Howl and ambush you.

There's no silver bullet to them grouping up. Wart has a very slight advantage with the Lethal Weapon perk + Toxic and just get as much damage as possible and force a guy to die as quickly as you can. If they have the best weapons like shocksphere or solar flare then Werewolf can't really do much. Devs seriously need to look at that: there has to be some kind of downside or the monster gains something when they're grouping up, doing nothing, and have weapons.

 

[DuranceVile]

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My new speed run.

I have all of the Wolf's tier 1 perks unlocked. It'll take me another 20-30 matches to get the tier 2 perks. Then I'll probably stop with the Wolf. I don't think the Werewolf is weak but I just kind of gravitate more towards Wart and -call it petty- but I really hate the footsteps the Wolf makes when running around.

The Werewolf has the best chance of breaking through a group with weapons but there's still shit they can do. Wolf can do absolutely nothing against shocksphere for one thing except just run away. They can also have a guy act as bait, take the Howl, and then run back to them where they're just outside of the range of the Howl and ambush you.

There's no silver bullet to them grouping up. Wart has a very slight advantage with the Lethal Weapon perk + Toxic and just get as much damage as possible and force a guy to die as quickly as you can. If they have the best weapons like shocksphere or solar flare then Werewolf can't really do much. Devs seriously need to look at that: there has to be some kind of downside or the monster gains something when they're grouping up, doing nothing, and have weapons.

Yeah I decided I'm putting the game down until it hits early access after getting shredded by grouping up teens. Plus this game is such a grind right now, why should I have to do it twice when they reset progression? I hope they give beta people some sort of in game compensation for being part of it.

Lost one on the hotel when they all grouped up on the second floor landing and just waited me out with that one fire AoE deployable weapon around them. Lost another on the high school when I was down to electric stigma and they all had stun weapons with one guy with the ray gun. They had one person stand just out of range of my howl and get me when I rushed into the room. I got chain stunned to death after that.

They seriously need to nerf stuns. I don't think you should lose your rage meter, and I don't think you should be knocked down as long. It's practically a death sentence as is. I was streaming myself playing to a couple of friends and they were amazed used stigmas could even do anything to the monster.

And random thought but I personally think perks that increase health and / or do more damage are dumb. It's especially annoying because Brett's perk actually gives you more health than lethal weapon takes away. I'd prefer those two be reworked into other things. Maybe increased speed boost time for Brett after a hit and the opposite for Lethal Weapon.

And Teen queue times have skyrocketed again. It's now 10+ minutes. It used to be maybe 4 tops after the key waves. Monster isn't fun except to the 25 or so discord devotees who are willing to grind out fringe cases to avoid getting shock sphere'd.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Yeah I decided I'm putting the game down until it hits early access after getting shredded by grouping up teens. Plus this game is such a grind right now, why should I have to do it twice when they reset progression? I hope they give beta people some sort of in game compensation for being part of it.

Lost one on the hotel when they all grouped up on the second floor landing and just waited me out with that one fire AoE deployable weapon around them. Lost another on the high school when I was down to electric stigma and they all had stun weapons with one guy with the ray gun. They had one person stand just out of range of my howl and get me when I rushed into the room. I got chain stunned to death after that.

They seriously need to nerf stuns. I don't think you should lose your rage meter, and I don't think you should be knocked down as long. It's practically a death sentence as is. I was streaming myself playing to a couple of friends and they were amazed used stigmas could even do anything to the monster.

And random thought but I personally think perks that increase health and / or do more damage are dumb. It's especially annoying because Brett's perk actually gives you more health than lethal weapon takes away. I'd prefer those two be reworked into other things. Maybe increased speed boost time for Brett after a hit and the opposite for Lethal Weapon.

And Teen queue times have skyrocketed again. It's now 10+ minutes. It used to be maybe 4 tops after the key waves. Monster isn't fun except to the 25 or so discord devotees who are willing to grind out fringe cases to avoid getting shock sphere'd.

I just uninstalled it. I am legit just disgusted with this genre. You get absolute faggots that insist you can counter play the eyeball or the shock sphere when you cannot. You cannot really do anything. If you armor up with Wart they'll just cancel the ability and get to try it again. Or, they'll just hover around and wait for the armor to go away and then get you. A faggot told me that Werewolf can outrun the eyeball and no, you absolutely, positively cannot outrun it and I used the Berserk ability as the eyeball was on my ass.

Just the fact that shit like this is in the game along with really busted perks just tells me that we're in for more of the same BS from the Behavior playbook.

Their Discord is no better. They'll ban for any reason. I made an alt and got banned because I pointed out that VHS took some inspiration from DbD. It's just ridiculous. The same exact petty bullshit just like every other dev that has worked on these games.

Side note: I'm tired of this gender special pandering woke nonsense. You can't talk any kind of shit, you can't bust someone's balls, you're not allowed to disagree, you're not allowed to break with the group think anymore. It's all a bunch of NPC cocksuckers nowadays.

 

[DuranceVile]

I just uninstalled it. I am legit just disgusted with this genre. You get absolute faggots that insist you can counter play the eyeball or the shock sphere when you cannot. You cannot really do anything. If you armor up with Wart they'll just cancel the ability and get to try it again. Or, they'll just hover around and wait for the armor to go away and then get you. A faggot told me that Werewolf can outrun the eyeball and no, you absolutely, positively cannot outrun it and I used the Berserk ability as the eyeball was on my ass.

Just the fact that shit like this is in the game along with really busted perks just tells me that we're in for more of the same BS from the Behavior playbook.

Their Discord is no better. They'll ban for any reason. I made an alt and got banned because I pointed out that VHS took some inspiration from DbD. It's just ridiculous. The same exact petty bullshit just like every other dev that has worked on these games.

Side note: I'm tired of this gender special pandering woke nonsense. You can't talk any kind of shit, you can't bust someone's balls, you're not allowed to disagree, you're not allowed to break with the group think anymore. It's all a bunch of NPC cocksuckers nowadays.

I get the impression being inspired by DbD is a bit of a hot-button issue with the community. They really want it to be its own special thing and not just another game in the 1v4 genre. It's a 1v4 game, it would clearly take some cues from the leading game.

I led a shocksphere on a three room chase while berserked in the High School map, looping it and everything, and it still got me. All the remote controlled weapons need to be adjusted. They need to completely ignore all the people saying "this game is just more skill based." Remember when Lawbreakers came out and was essentially saying it was the "skill-based Overwatch" and immediately died? Yeah. That's what we're looking at here if they don't make this more palatable for new monster players.

I don't know if I'm going to pick it back up unless early access comes with a big patch that reworks the monster experience.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I get the impression being inspired by DbD is a bit of a hot-button issue with the community. They really want it to be its own special thing and not just another game in the 1v4 genre. It's a 1v4 game, it would clearly take some cues from the leading game.

It's all so blatant though. It has a blood web. It has a BP system although it isn't universal and cannot be used on any character. It has a 3 tier perk system. It has obnoxious window vaults (not unless you're playing in Wart's map which is the only map that has zero cancerous vaults). It has an objective location that players hold M1 on and hit space when doing a skillcheck. I mean...

I led a shocksphere on a three room chase while berserked in the High School map, looping it and everything, and it still got me. All the remote controlled weapons need to be adjusted. They need to completely ignore all the people saying "this game is just more skill based." Remember when Lawbreakers came out and was essentially saying it was the "skill-based Overwatch" and immediately died? Yeah. That's what we're looking at here if they don't make this more palatable for new monster players.

I don't know if I'm going to pick it back up unless early access comes with a big patch that reworks the monster experience.

What annoys me more I think is that there's faggots defending these massively OP weapons. These guys just blatantly lie. I don't think they're misinformed or just don't know. I think they're just blatantly lying. I point out how the shocksphere can be cancelled and they get to use it again and they're like "No it can't." Yes, it can. I saw it first hand a guy used it, travelled around a little bit, cancelled it, and still had enough juice to use it again. And you bring up the chopper and eyeball discussions and it's like screaming at the deaf. "You can counter play it. You can outrun the eyeball. You can find the guy using it." They completely ignore the problems where the Teen player can cancel using the item and get to use it again and again. You absolutely cannot outrun the eyeball. Not to mention these weapons including the shocksphere and flare are EXCEEDINGLY good at kiting the monster and forcing you into an ambush. The faggots just keep quiet when you bring this up. I asked repeatedly "Why is it considered fair that they can cancel using these weapons and get to use them again?" And they just didn't answer or ignored me.

The fact that the devs have said nothing and apparently have no intention of addressing the balance right now is not looking good for the future of the game.

 

[DuranceVile]

Was hanging out with some friends last night and streamed the game a bit. I decided to try WART after being strictly Werewolf. I think I'm fully on the train that Werewolf needs some reworks. WART has a lot of great tools, Acid Armor is powerful even without mutations. I initially didn't like the leap, but I see it's usefulness for ambushing teens with weapons.

All that said, I was up against teens who clearly were inexperienced despite being in the mid 60s for levels. They made a lot of obvious mistakes and I could point to at least 4 separate occasions in the match where they should've banished me. Not like I outplayed them, they just played poorly enough for me to win. I countered the infernal eye and the shock sphere multiple times when I absolutely shouldn't have. End game was still me chasing one teen around for what felt like half an hour trying to land a hit.

So nothing new, just found an appreciation for WART and I now think Werewolf needs some adjustments. They've got enough people outside the discord banging the drum for improvements to monster, we'll see what Early Access brings.

 

[BrunoMattei]

So nothing new, just found an appreciation for WART and I now think Werewolf needs some adjustments. They've got enough people outside the discord banging the drum for improvements to monster, we'll see what Early Access brings.

I don't think they're going to address the balance until the game goes live. I just have a feeling.

 

[DuranceVile]

Game down because they're getting DDOS'd. Are they, like this very site, getting attacked by some certain salty Canadians?

 

[White Devil]

Probably some gender special mad for whatever dumb reason. They've more than proven they're willing to waste their welfare money on dumb shit.

 

[DuranceVile]

Still down. They've said they're taking this time to shore up security to prevent it from happening again.

I will say I have a tad more optimism that Hellbent is were willing to come out and say they got DDOS'd and their system couldn't handle it. Compare and contrast with BHVR. DbD's latest update appears to have borked their MMR system as well as rolled back Dead Hard hit validation changes. Several content creators have brought it up. Nary a peep about it from them.

 

[BrunoMattei]

They had an impromptu Q&A on their Twitter:

Sigh. But this is the first time they said anything publicly about the balance.

 

[DuranceVile]

They had an impromptu Q&A on their Twitter:

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Sigh. But this is the first time they said anything publicly about the balance.

That's really the first time they've said much of anything anywhere about plans for the game. Their discord communication has just been bog standard janny stuff.

Imagine my shock that Twitter users are deeply invested in the sexuality of literal teenagers. They've chummed the water with that statement, so now they'll be sniffing for blood. I wonder what their first equivalent to the bubba mask fiasco is going to be?

I loved how one of the questions was how they were going to improve the experience when there's only one teen left against the monster. I agree that sucks, but from both sides. I honestly wouldn't mind them adding something like hatch at that point to end the game quicker.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I loved how one of the questions was how they were going to improve the experience when there's only one teen left against the monster. I agree that sucks, but from both sides. I honestly wouldn't mind them adding something like hatch at that point to end the game quicker.

If they address that then they should address Teens grouping up with weapons and the monster can't do anything.

 

[DuranceVile]

If they address that then they should address Teens grouping up with weapons and the monster can't do anything.

That's got to change too. The only answer the supposed top players seem to have to that is "just wait for them to make a mistake" which isn't exactly helpful.

It might be interesting to give the rift the equivalent of an endurance hit for 20ish seconds for monster, less per teen on the rift, as well as wall hack.

 

[BrunoMattei]

That's got to change too. The only answer the supposed top players seem to have to that is "just wait for them to make a mistake" which isn't exactly helpful.

It might be interesting to give the rift the equivalent of an endurance hit for 20ish seconds for monster, less per teen on the rift, as well as wall hack.

I like the idea but it can't last for 20 seconds because the group will just run away and they can pinpoint pretty well where you are due to the foot steps. An endurance hit PLUS the monster doesn't make noise from footsteps would force them to make a move.

 

[White Devil]

Their gender special pandering caused me to kind of completely lose interest. Not going to bother with this game now. I know that doesn't need to be said, and insert "don't let the door hit you on the way out", etc etc but you have to take a stand against this garbage some time and some where.

 

[Kusanigga]

this was supposed to beat DBD in competition and oh look, globohomo also touched this game. this genre is completely fucked lol

 

[DuranceVile]

For some reason this genre seems to attract terminally online troonery so it was probably a sad inevitability. I have gone from being willing to spend real money on cosmetics and maybe even that founders pack to being just unenthused in general.

 

[A Welsh Cake]

Imagine my shock another 1v4 horror themed game is biased towards the 4.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I am just genuinely turned off by it. I could tolerate the cheesy 80's aesthetic. But the pandering and more specifically the behavior from the devs on their little Discord and their attention (or lack thereof) towards the game's balance has killed all interest I had.

The only thing I can say is that maybe this will be enough of a success to light a fire under Dead By Daylight's ass and the devs will fix their game now that there's some kind of competition.