Video games are just action figures/playing make-believe for men. - Change my mind

Its what we call 'escapism'. Reality sucks. Real life sucks. Sometimes I game to escape (though rarely nowadays, Coronachan has me PTSDed from going on my PC since I get emails all hours of the day), sometimes I write. Sometimes I write stories in my mind brain. Sometimes I watch animu. Sometimes I read.

If we didn't de-stress and escape from reality, we'd be raping and murdering each other constantly. Who gives a shit what your outlet is. If its not hurting anyone, who cares? (The exception is being a simp and giving money to thots who despise you. And giving money to DSP). Also most people who play games are in their early to mid 30s. Call it whatever you want, but I like enjoying myself and I honestly don't care what people think about it. I've long since stopped giving a fuck as to what people think about me, especially random people, since those people are typically gigantic hypocrites.
 
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I'd argue against that. Neither is widely socially acceptable for an adult man or woman to be doing.

Because there are more important things an adult of either sex should be doing.

Focusing on the video games as an example, although casual gaming has been taken up by the masses, "serious" gaming such as World of Warcraft has not.

On a productive level, a man or woman who is gaming could have been doing something more useful. They could have put in extra hours at work, they could have done some DIY around the house. On this level video gaming is a sign of sloth.

On a leisure level, I know sometimes to me its a sign of lower intelligence and I know some of my female friends think the same way. That's not to say I think anyone who likes Opera is a big brain (quite the opposite, it's pretentious and it sounds shit), but I think there's something pathetic about a guy who sits in front of a TV screen pretending to be a soldier. That sort of experiential make-believe play is an essential formative experience for developing confidence and understanding....In the younger years; by now developmentally this individual should have moved from this stage well into the experiential. It's a sign of being psychologically stunted; it's no coincidence many of the Lolcows, furries etc here are very often hardcore gamers.

And then there's also the familial level. If the goal of a human life is successful reproduction (if it isn't, it's still something essential to sustain out societies) what makes a financial/social capital risk looks safer and more promising? Good looks are usually an indicator of good health and genetics, a sense of humor has been scientifically linked to a higher intelligence, a musician has a creative streak that suggests flexibility....There are a range of qualities we might prize or seek out in our mates or close confidants. Does a man or woman who spends an inordinate amount of time on a computer screen in an unproductive task that in no way develops their skills or mainstream networking potential present themselves as a viable or worthy mate or ally? Why would I desire to interact with this person over someone with more useful skills, or hobbies that suggest other positive attributes about this person?

This might seem like a very cold opinion, and that is all it is. We ultimately are to a great extent the things we do, and there is truth in stereotypes. The basement dwelling manchild is one of them, and they are infamous for their love of toys and computer games.

Of course, more people on social media are more likely to be gamers than the public. But have a look in your life off the internet, how many people actually do play with toys; and if they have them like makeup consider if they actually serve a constructive purpose? Make up and gym time can be used to make an individual look more attractive which is a valuable asset, and attending workshops could be used to develop talents or skills; nightclubing can be used to build a network and expand sexual/reproductive options, even watching shitty TV like Tiger King has some degree if use in that because it is so widely watched by a large range of ages it can be used to build rapport with random members of the public you may come across (whereas gamers of specific titles tend to be of a narrower age range), but what use does an anime body pillow serve?
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"if the goal of a human life is successful reproduction"

lmao aren't you gay? just kill yourself right now, your life is goal-less and meaningless. Unless you want to consider "work more hours at your job" a goal, which apparently you do.
 
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
"if the goal of a human life is successful reproduction"

lmao aren't you gay? just kill yourself right now, your life is goal-less and meaningless. Unless you want to consider "work more hours at your job" a goal, which apparently you do.
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It's why I provided a number of "goals" rather than just one. There are religious views, there are hedonistic ones, there are relatively stoic ones as well and I'm trying to speak in a broad and more general sense.

I don't consider work in and of itself a goal, but the financial and social capital itself does help a good deal in accomplishing my ends. I have far more social clout from my occupation than I would from playing computer games. The higher one is in one's field generally as well (and the better pay), all the better. I meant it in that sense because I do think that is a good thing. I'd rather have the nice house and all the things that go with it than scrape by and that takes a certain degree of drive.

It goes with hobbies as well; I find it relatively easy to build relationships in person because I find out what it is they like and talk about it. It's far easier to get what you want from people who think you're not too unlike them rather than pointing out the negative stereotypes that could be attached to you; and unfortunately, gamers are rightly or wrongly associated with being NEETs and large amounts of time in front of a screen alone with nothing to show for it.

I've actually stopped dating people when they've told me they play vidya. I don't mean Candy Crush on the way to work; I've seen with friends here and family back in my families country of origin that it's really not a good thing. Japan isn't the only place there with problems with men spending too much time on electronics either. The west is just a few steps behind on that front and will catch up eventually.
 
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Dude, you sound like you just found something new, everyone knows video games are children of “usual” games.

But I understand what you meant by this post. I’ve got into new animal crossing and got the “childish” feeling from it because this game is very similar to the way I played with toys as a kid. You know, I had a lot of small toys from kinder surprise and before playing with them as if all toys live in one town I made this town, each house was a small cardboard box, and I furnished each.
Why won’t I play with toys now? Idk, I stopped playing with them when I was 12-13 y.o. when my parents shamed me for playing with toys. Tho playing vidya is fine to them. Why? Idk.
 
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It's why I provided a number of "goals" rather than just one. There are religious views, there are hedonistic ones, there are relatively stoic ones as well and I'm trying to speak in a broad and more general sense.

I don't consider work in and of itself a goal, but the financial and social capital itself does help a good deal in accomplishing my ends. I have far more social clout from my occupation than I would from playing computer games. The higher one is in one's field generally as well (and the better pay), all the better. I meant it in that sense because I do think that is a good thing. I'd rather have the nice house and all the things that go with it than scrape by and that takes a certain degree of drive.

It goes with hobbies as well; I find it relatively easy to build relationships in person because I find out what it is they like and talk about it. It's far easier to get what you want from people who think you're not too unlike them rather than pointing out the negative stereotypes that could be attached to you; and unfortunately, gamers are rightly or wrongly associated with being NEETs and large amounts of time in front of a screen alone with nothing to show for it.

I've actually stopped dating people when they've told me they play vidya. I don't mean Candy Crush on the way to work; I've seen with friends here and family back in my families country of origin that it's really not a good thing. Japan isn't the only place there with problems with men spending too much time on electronics either. The west is just a few steps behind on that front and will catch up eventually.
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You've replaced playing video games with writing screeds that make you look like the equivalent of a fedora tipping atheist in this situation. "Yes I am so advanced that I have stopped dating people because they play video games. My social capital and clout is off the charts because I don't waste my time on video games, and when I look in the mirror and smile at my reflection, I am euphoric"

You're a narcissist if you think anyone here cares about your self indulgent humble-bragging. Go get GRIDS and then work some extra hours at work you faggot.
 
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
You've replaced playing video games with writing screeds that make you look like the equivalent of a fedora tipping atheist in this situation. "Yes I am so advanced that I have stopped dating people because they play video games. My social capital and clout is off the charts because I don't waste my time on video games, and when I look in the mirror and smile at my reflection, I am euphoric"
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Hey, English isn't my first language right (or my 3rd for that matter either). I mean, I know I've got a fairly wide vocabulary and I do make an attempt to phrase things using words I hear native speakers use but it is going to sound a bit clinical sometimes.

Seriously, what the fuck does being an Atheist have to do with thinking weebs are lolcows?

Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
You're a narcissist if you think anyone here cares about your self indulgent humble-bragging. Go get GRIDS and then work some extra hours at work you faggot.
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I ain't even working from home, I've been busier than ever since Corona kicked off.

Basement dwellers be triggered.
 
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I gotta act out my fantasies of being a thief sneaking around, whacking people on the head with a blackjack and stealing shit from Pagan monsters somehow okay? Don’t judge!
 
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Fagatron said:
It's why I provided a number of "goals" rather than just one. There are religious views, there are hedonistic ones, there are relatively stoic ones as well and I'm trying to speak in a broad and more general sense.

I don't consider work in and of itself a goal, but the financial and social capital itself does help a good deal in accomplishing my ends. I have far more social clout from my occupation than I would from playing computer games. The higher one is in one's field generally as well (and the better pay), all the better. I meant it in that sense because I do think that is a good thing. I'd rather have the nice house and all the things that go with it than scrape by and that takes a certain degree of drive.

It goes with hobbies as well; I find it relatively easy to build relationships in person because I find out what it is they like and talk about it. It's far easier to get what you want from people who think you're not too unlike them rather than pointing out the negative stereotypes that could be attached to you; and unfortunately, gamers are rightly or wrongly associated with being NEETs and large amounts of time in front of a screen alone with nothing to show for it.

I've actually stopped dating people when they've told me they play vidya. I don't mean Candy Crush on the way to work; I've seen with friends here and family back in my families country of origin that it's really not a good thing. Japan isn't the only place there with problems with men spending too much time on electronics either. The west is just a few steps behind on that front and will catch up eventually.
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Are you a woman, a gay man, or a straight man? I ask because I've known women to look down on men for playing vidya, but I've never heard a man express the same opinion of a woman.
 
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Are you a woman, a gay man, or a straight man? I ask because I've known women to look down on men for playing vidya, but I've never heard a man express the same opinion of a woman.
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I'm a gay man. I wouldn't say it's an uncommon among gay men, it's less common opinion than among the women in my life but there are a good few gay men who are serious gamers and those (in my circle those are usually the more extroverted and who tend to be outside more) who are really put off by that trait.

I'm not sure how much of this opinion is my experience of relationships or my ethnicity, hikikomori-types being the fear of many a parent and something that's definitely not tolerated.

At the same time I've dated more shy, nerdy men and quite often their desire to retreat inside and play with their toys and neglecting the other aspects of life (state of the house, lack of ambition etc) has often gotten on my nerves.

I'm not against leisure time or hobbies, but I know more "gamers" than not who either let it take over their lives or are sorely lacking in some core skills; usually social ones.

My BF is more introverted than me and does have some games he plays and anime he likes, but it isn't something he'd do every week. I've not had this discussion with him but we've not really had to. I've watched him do some of them and tried to show some interest by looking into the ones he likes since I knew little about it (an endless source of amusement to him that he knows more about anime than I do which I still don't really understand, not all white people wear slankets and are fat), and that I'm fine with.

I know some girls (and men) who would still consider that too much to consider dating. I actually didn't know about this side of him until we moved in, but I suppose that just shows how little an influence it is.
 
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no_mad_johnny said:
Gaming is an expensive toy to manchildren and I say that as someone whose hobby is gaming.
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Though if you think about it most forms of entertainment are either glorified toys or legal ways of obtaining a dopamine influx.

Truth be told, entertainment enriches life —without it life would be nothing but an endless escalator of mindless physical work and utilitarian procreation. Humans are better than that.

The truth lies in a balance and there's more than the choice of either be an utilitarian worker or a hedonist sloth.

Henceforth I shall say: enjoy your freedom wisely, play your vidya, watch your weebery and read a book once or twice :reality:

seriously tho: gaming is just a more user relevant way of consuming media. It can either be an entertaining activity or a mentally stimulating one (in the case of more story based games).

It's easier for a kid or a teenager to consume media that they can directly interact with, which is why vidya is so popular among these two groups.

Since the expectations for adulthood have changed nowadays (less pressure to raise children, own property and there's the possibility of government handouts) it has become more common to see an older demographic group using videogames as their main source of entertainment.

People just have more time for sedentary entertainment nowadays that's all.
 
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