General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[2DUM4U]

Yuni/Pippa responds almost exclusively to the most annoying, stupid or gross things I've ever said in her chat and mostly ignores anything thoughtful or reasonable I say. She might have a abysmal opinion of me but it's better then being completely ignored.

She mostly notices my messages when I'm being a bit of a prick in chat lmao, I think it's just how her humour works.

Ryona fetish.

 

[ペンネーム]

Waiting for Pippa to do Unbreaded. Someday

 

[Azchan]

Not sure if anyone caught it live (i didnt because I was watching Pippa and making a clip) but Mouse NTRing Pippa interview/talkshow is up.

Yuni is Pippa without the edge and retardation.
Yuni is a more honest and more down to earth version of Pippa, which is weird, because you'd think she'd act like a complete menace without any tard wranglers.
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Man, I hate this clip.

i just listen to this, since people used to call kobo voice range quite wide. and i too couldn't believe it either, yet the fact she often eat spicy food will ended up hurting her vocal chord. and i too just realized, that going into the music industry as a singer prolly suckass personally for me, cause you need to be cautious with what you eat.

Kobo feels a bit rough around the edges as if she needs some vocal training. She has the range.

 

[danny jr]

Imo my first impression is that celebrities sell content first while idols sell personality first.

 

[Boopersnout]

Wow I was just listening to Les Miserables while working yesterday and thinking "How nice it'd be if someone in Hololive sang it"

While not Hololive, heres pomu singing I Dreamed A Dream. (her avatar was lagging not the video)

 

[Rezza]

Wow I was just listening to Les Miserables while working yesterday and thinking "How nice it'd be if someone in Hololive sang it"

Now Mumei is singing the second to last last song

Bring Him Home is a pure gold song
Also HoloMusical when

 

[Elijah 'Ghost' Kennedy]

I like the idea of the Hololive girls being idols because to me its like, I think it emphasizes that they have qualities and virtues which make them good role models. The singing and dancing abilities are the common ones (maybe also drawing/art), and many of them are excellent, but other things like diligence and humility, compassion and warmth, being genki/energetic and joyful in spite of adversity, humor and wit, creativity and ingenuity, and others - each of these girls has some beautiful qualities and I feel like Yagoo's dream helps to bring them out and make them stronger. It's of course up to the individual what they want to do, but to me it feels like being granted the job of being an idol, at least at Hololive, is a kind of gift (and if you choose, a kind of duty) of being something greater.

Spoiler: more babbling about idols wrt hololive

I don't know if that makes sense or if it's autistic stuff all in my own head, but just for an example, look at Ollie. I love Ollie (platonically). I think she's amazing. She doesn't always think she's amazing, which is normal, but she's been the one I've seen most often saying in the past things like "I'm not really an idol." or "we're not really idols. we are comedians/entertainers", especially after she's made some raunchy joke that doesn't fit her conception of an idol as pure and perfect.

But I think her zomrades finally convinced her that she's wrong. She produced this amazing tribute to her senpais and hololive as a whole for her 1 million subscriber celebration, and accepted that her fans love her and believe in her even if she isn't always 'seiso'. Ollie's one of my favorites I think because it's so easy to share in her enthusiasm for the people she admires and the love and support she constantly emits. That virtue is appealing.

If they were just streamers, singer-entertainers, that would be fine. I think the title of idol, and the sort of mental framework that comes along with that, inspires and encourages growth as a person. It's also a fun kayfabe if nothing else.

It's also why seeing Kiara on stage at Holofes performing Hinotori with a sea of orange glowsticks was so moving. She was achieving a dream. She could quit tomorrow and that achievement will never go away (though of course I hope she continues and does even more). If you remove the idol kayfabe, it's still impressive and amazing but it changes something perhaps ineffable about the whole thing in a way that would be a little sad to me.

I'm just an american non-weeb whose main exposure to vtubers and idols is Hololive, so maybe this is just nonsense spergery in my own imagination. We live in a mess of a world, perhaps especially right now. This stuff, beyond being entertainment, inspires hope in me.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Does this mean Gura had the most successful rap before Hololive?

Her Bad Copypasta Rap had 23 million views. I think the only Holo who can actually beat that viewcount is IRYs, whose Ren'ai Circulation cover had over 100 million, but that's not a rap.

 

[Kusogaki]

Not sure if anyone caught it live (i didnt because I was watching Pippa and making a clip) but Mouse NTRing Pippa interview/talkshow is up.

So... to what conclusion they ended up? There is a peace treaty between weebs and normies? Asmon change his view on vtubers? or it was all just for nothing?

 

[2DUM4U]

Also HoloMusical when

Let's see. Subaru as Javert is easy, also Polka and Watame as the Thenardiers. Maybe Pekora as Jean Valjean and Moona as Fantine? Botan could also fit Jean Valjean for different reasons. And Laplus as Cossette. Drawing a total blank on Enjolras. (Going by character here not singing ability, obv)

EDIT: @Diya 's question "What's an idol?" turns out to be one of those inkblot questions. When you answer it you reveal something about yourself.

 

[kukkia]

Does this mean Gura had the most successful rap before Hololive?

I mean, she is Hololive's best singer.

 

[Azchan]

So... to what conclusion they ended up? There is a peace treaty between weebs and normies? Asmon change his view on vtubers? or it was all just for nothing?

I need to watch it still. I will get to it shortly. Currently checking Liora who is doing/malding over Margit in her Elden Ring stream.

Talking about Liora. Few days ago I mentioned that she was accepting questions in her comments and she streamed a Q&A answering them (I missed it at the time). All the questions are timestamped in one of the comments so you can skip to the ones that you actually want to hear about. I really like her. Seems like a huge nerd with a lower voice but doesn't play into the whole "dommy mommy" thing vtubers with that type of voice usually go for. She looks up to Amelia and Enna from Niji/Holo which makes me like her even more as those two are my fav talents from both of those companies.

 

[thhrang]

...without the edge and retardation.

Eh, depends. Don't forget that this happened literally last week.

Nooo Yuni, you can't say this stuff against the protected group on Twitch!

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Thhrang, buddy, help a fellow farmer out with the fixing.

No.

 

[Retink]

No.

Why must you fight me, it will only cause you pain and I do not wish to fix you.

 

[thhrang]

Why must you fight me, it will only cause you pain and I do not wish to fix you.

You cannot fix her.

 

[Takodachi]

Eh, depends. Don't forget that this happened literally last week.

Fair.
Let me rephrase
"With 50% less retardation"

 

[Retink]

You cannot fix her.

Ah , you are a heathen I see, one who believes that she can not be fixed. Tell me heretic, what lead you astray despite you being one of the apostles, and if you are honest I can not promise to fix you, but I may be able to give you peace from your wretchedness upon holy Pippyres.

 

[ViolentNugget]

Why must you fight me, it will only cause you pain and I do not wish to fix you.

Pain fuels my thirst for vengeance

 

[Ruka]

I'm just going to ask it here due to this post, but what the fuck is an idol? Being a filthy waito piggu I have never understood idolfags or their culture, it has always been a mystery to me. Kiara and Suisei are both insanely strange people to me, as is hololive itself.

To me, an idol is a living doll. It has no autonomy or authenticity and every aspect of its life is controlled by marketing and management. I have never understood why people aspire to be idols, when you hear you cant date, you have stalkers, have women having their hands hacksaw'd by fans or being forced to apologize for having a boyfriend (and shaving their head), it just seems like an insanely miserable life, add in accusations of idols being pimped out/sexually assaulted by those controlling their career and it just seems hellish and undesirable. Has Kiara or Suisei ever stated what an idol is to them?

Suisei is especially strange, she has an amazing voice but she was always insecure about it (according to a clip I recently saw), she already has her own songs and does dancing, so what's her obsession with being an idol? Am I wrong n thinking idols are just girls who have to sing and dance for fans, since she and others do that already aren't they already idols?

Kiara is weird since she became an idol, got stalked and then wanted to become an idol again. I'm glad life is better for her, but I don't get how you can look at idols and image a life without creeps stalking you, it's like being a surgeon but not wanting to go near blood, not gonna happen.

I just never understood the idol idea, from all the abuse that comes with it making it undesirable, to the fact Japan has famous people who do actually get married/date and everything is fine. (What is the difference between an idol an a celebrity, was I right about idols being controlled for parasocial relationships with customers, or is there more to it?)

It's honestly bothered me for a while the whole idol thing. People freak out over idols dating, yet Korone supposedly has kids. Idols are famous, but so are other celebrities and they can date/marry just fine. I've never understood idols and tbh the Rushia saga made me like Hololive since they straight up said their talent's private life is none of their business, making me view hololive as not part of the idol industry due to the lack of an abusive relationship.

TL;DR I have no idea what an idol is supposed to be and I think I hate them.
Excuse any spergery I've been drinking.

Filthy long-time idol weeab here.
The main difference between j-pop idols vs. k-pop idols vs. seiyuus vs. run-of-the-mill entertainers/singers is how they're trained and marketed.

Spoiler: Japanese Idols

J-pop idols for the most part (because there's idol groups that do deviate from this) are mostly scouted through auditions from a young age (ranging between 11-14), trained by their managing company, and then either assigned a group to debut with or they debut as a solo idol (which is pretty rare nowadays tbh because they're usually just considered singers or entertainers if they're solo acts). Sometimes j-idols' training stages are non-existent at all and instead their training runs through AFTER they debut, which then adds to their marketing. Marketing for j-idols usually has a big emphasis on "simple girl becomes superstar" trope and the "hardwork and endurance to reach their dreams" thing. They're also very big on putting innocence and cuteness above all else because it's what appeases the gachikois which make up most of the j-idol consumer market, going as far as to ban dating, drugs, and discussion on "NG" topics that may break the audience's idol fantasy.

Spoiler: Korean Idols

K-pop idols on the other hand are usually people enrolling into specialized idol trainee programs/performance schools, where they're trained in performing, singing, and carrying themselves as an entertainer. These programs are usually sponsored or affiliated with talent agencies where whenever they're in need of talent, they usually pick out people from the trainees and then assign those people to groups. K-pop idols are pretty much marketed the same with the "hardwork" tropes and stuff but to a lesser extent, and they're also more on the "cool, edgy" factor for the most part than being cutesy. Cutesy groups were big in the early 2010s, but that's comparably as common anymore.

Spoiler: Singer/Entertainers and Seiyuus

Solo acts are usually signed or managed by a company where they perform just like any western singers does. They do have practices for performances, but never training as extensive as idols have. They're sometimes scouted through Japanese entertainment schools or just discovered through stuff like youtube/NND or independent performances. Seiyuus (voice actors) are also different, they can VOICE idol characters but they're not their character and therefore they don't have to abide by the same stigma and societal norms that traditional idols have to be aware off (dating bans, etc.).

People behind vtubers pretty much fall into the seiyuu category. The vtuber persona they're voicing can be an idol-type character and can sell themselves that way, but behind-the-scenes they don't have to abide the same rules traditional idols do. That's why hololive talents are very NG on talking about dating men, but irl they're probably already dating someone or already married.

The common reason entertainers avoid being called idols is because idol culture can come with negative connotations and it is very specific into how you came into the industry. Like, a singer might not wanna be called an idol because it may insinuate that they're performing to appease gachikois or sweaty neckbeards, or they just want to be more specifically just called a singer because they might have not even gone through the idol training and feel like it just doesn't fit them well. Accepting being called an "idol" as a singer might also give people the impression that you are one and therefore might make them expect you to follow the rules of one.

Why someone would WANT to be an idol is because of either false-promises and delusions of what an idol's life is or they want the easy popularity of one since idols do sell really well in East Asia and can lead to exponential popularity if you're good enough. On the surface being an idol looks good to some people but in reality it is a lot of brutal training and micromanaging (weight watching, extreme diets, long practice hours, having your autonomy pretty much taken away if your management is shit enough etc.), harassment (both by antis or your own managers/agency, etc.), and possible failure (a lot of idol groups don't make it and just disband after a while), and unfortunately a lot of people fall into that.

Imo, the safest way to be and idol without actually being an idol is to just go through being a seiyuu and hopefully voice an idol anime or just be a vtuber with a good enough agency backing you up, that way you get to perform music and get an audience but still maintain your privacy and a lot of your autonomy. Love Live's voice actresses for example do stuff idols do, they perform live performances/concerts together as the in-universe idol group they play as, but after their performance they don't really have to abide any of the traditional rules because they're just voice actresses at the end of the day (a lot of Love Live seiyuus so far have gotten married without much issue from the fans, one of the seiyuus even drinks a lot that it's a joke within the community). Same goes for Hololive, for example, where you can still perform and entertain and audience but can live your life normally behind the scenes if you're good at managing your own privacy enough.

 

[Laying Down Tired]

Ah , you are a heathen I see, one who believes that she can not be fixed. Tell me heretic, what lead you astray despite you being one of the apostles, and if you are honest I can not promise to fix you, but I may be able to give you peace from your wretchedness upon holy Pippyres.

You can't fix the kind of crazy she has and not gonna lie but the little larp is getting kind of gay.