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Yeah, slow burn like most VN, but once it starts going it just doesn't stop. By far the best from the Science Adventure collection that I've played.
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I bought Ghost Trick today. Does that count?
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It starts out boring but it gets a lot better. By dawn syndrome girl are you talking about the girl who doesn't talk? She's one of the weaker characters in the series imo.
As for tranny shit, that part kinda bothered me too, but due to time travel shenanigans it's technically not a tranny.
It's not a perfect game but it's pretty good, especially the time loop bits. I'm a sucker for that kind of thing though, so I'm probably being biased here.
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The main mistake here is to let oneself be poisoned by the modern western internet and end up viewing simple japanese tropes of otokonoko (the japanese equivalent of 'trap') and gender-bending shenanigans as "tranny shit".
It's been a long time I've read Steins;Gate, like nearly a decade ago by now, but I recall doing on the Playstation Vita with the english release (I still have the small artbook and metal Upa figurine that as goodies of the physical). I might consider reading it again on the Steam Deck this year. Switch lacked the original version, with only the 'Elite' release instead (which cut a lot of text script in exchange of animated cutscenes from the anime as far as I recall correctly).
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Traps are fundamentally equivalent to trannies, and they're both just another flavor of fag. There's nuances and different degrees of mental illness between them, but it's best not to differentiate between them too much or elevate any above the others, it's just the wet turd vs dry turd debate.
Yeah, you recall correctly regarding the Elite version. I never played it but when I replay it I'll choose that version just to switch things up. Supposedly there's an Elite version of 0 planned too, but who knows when that's happening, or if it even still will happen at all. That game and the sequel might be in trouble because I guess the company was having some financial problems or something.
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My hard drive died and with it the screenshots, so I'm going to post my notes on Stein's Gate context-free.
"Then who was phone?"
Boring. Bad writing, unsympathetic characters.
The Japanese is really easy except for Okabe’s mad scientist ramblings.
I think its popularity and cult status are due to interwebs culture and spergs seeing themselves and “getting references”, and the exoticism of Japanese. I was like that about English in eighth grade, but I was 11. You have no excuse.
The plot seemed like it was opening up mid chapter 1 (experiments, John Titor messages) with the possibilities, but then it closed and became an ultra-predictable railroad. There don’t seem to be any mysteries left. I've read some atrociously claustrophobic VNs, but those were for retarded girls who need something to fap to. This isn’t porn, this is supposed to appeal to readers — to male readers, to male geeks — at least partially on the strength of the plot. But it seems the “what”s ran out and now only “how”s are left. This is boring. Yeah there may be surprises coming up,I won’t completely discount the possibility, but right now I’m not actually anticipating/dreading anything [this was written mid chapter 4 or so, I've now finished the game --S]. It’s like a bad “connect the dots” thing where you can tell on sight what the picture is going to be and now everything that remains is to physically draw the lines. Like, ooh, code that makes no sense? It’s the proprietary IBN programming language.
(Incidentally, the “encrypted proprietary programming language” part is itself stupid - both the encrypted part and its use to protect CERN secrets on the network, instead of just not having the computer on the network.)
There are really three ways to have the audience guess or know something ahead of the protagonist without making the plot retarded:
Higurashi did a genius thing in chapter 3 by having an ultra-exciting mystery in it. I kept going to see the solution. There is none, it was all a scam. But that was the kind of mystery that I expected in Stein’s Gate, and it doesn't have one.
Also, Higurashi had a large world, it was always adding new things, even though it was largely set in a tiny rural place. Stein’s Gate has the whole world and limits itself to a handful of normie locations. A VN can have anything on the cheap. Stein's Gate goes out of its way to be as boring as possible. I hoped the protagonist's rants about creating Chaos will eventually pay off in him actually create some for a noble cause (to shift the timeline) but it doesn't.
Calling it now: despite the massive conspiracy in which half the world must be involved, the only, linchpin villain of this will be Professor Nakabachi, because he's the only remaining character with a doll.
The science is terrible. I hate technobabble, but it's not the worst, the worst are
Fundamentally, I wanted a plot that'd withstand scrutiny from a community of autistic geeks. But it falls apart on a single casual reading. It's garbage.
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How does sending emails to the past work? Why don’t the recipients’ recollections of receiving the email change, like the fat guy’s and the downs girl’s recollections of the lecture incident?
Oh, a pedo. A 18-year-old character sexually harasses a retarded 16-year-old girl; that makes the reader the pedo. Yes, she’s within the common sense margin, but she’s retarded. He’s getting off on her inability to understand the coomer shit he's making her say.
Teenage prostitution (to older adults).
The translation is inaccurate in places. For example, the love interest says “I was killed” [korosu verb] instead of “I died” [shinu verb], the translation says died. Downs girl is more annoying, uses third-person more (always?). On at least one occasion, the translation dropped “name subject to change” from the time machine’s name in the protagonist’s direct speech (it was present in the original).
The cat fetish competition is a retarded time-waster. Also - how were the protagonist and fat guy going to cooperate? It’d be one thing if it were a multiplayer game where two players secretly cooperating could bring down everyone else. But it’s each of the incels against the fetish model.
Tranny bait (furry fetish, age regression, troon character forcibly trooned out by his father and the protagonist lusts for him).
Cat’s asshole / lioncash mouths (described as “bewitching smile” in the case of the fetish model).
The retarded song and dance in the face of alleged tragedy reminds me of the criticism of the ending of Huckleberry Finn.
Where else the retro computer can be? At the tranny shrine, of course. I’ve suffered through zoophile BDSM, now I have to suffer through tranny BDSM.
Shrine location: “I don’t know if Faris was living in Akiba at the time” - why not ask, instead of running blindly? You have a phone.
“Arc Rewrite” (Kiryu’s magazine) is a meaningful name. Ignored!
The reason why the PC was left for the protagonist to find is time travel fuckery. He should catch on but doesn't because he's retarded.
The protagonist told fucking everyone he has the retro computer and is hacking CERN. He is retarded and deserves what’s coming (I hope something does!).
They don't get to using the computer straight away, because they're retarded and the retarded plot demands it.
(Another science plot hole: how does CERN manage to covertly get the energy for the LHC? This is getting blowing up the pope with antimatter grade bull.)
Would be neat if some or all of the other inventions happened to be useful, particularly if the player gets to pick an action.
“Remember we read that someone died?” “Uhghghghghh…” fucking retard.
“This was too easy, CERN should have better security” — the kids are most definitely manipulated.
Also the Braun Tube’s new hire is a plant, but that was too obvious. And not just a plant but a time traveller (insects, weeds, bicycles, is bad at getting around).
How do they know they are actually sending messages to the past? A simpler explanation would be that they’re just fucking with the cell towers somehow. They send a message now, they receive a message now (but backdated). A test for time travel: agree to send a message with unique, just-generated content, five days into the future, and see if it arrives today; agree to send a message with unique, just-generated content three days into the future and see if it’s already arrived somehow. Do not send anything now, just agree to send and see if this has an immediate effect.
Data has mass! Fucking E = mc^2
And Hashida (sp?) is right about email headers.
Still no experiment to find out whether it’s a real time machine.
Kiryu will probably steal the pc from the shrine in the past.
Btw the art for when she holds the phone is ugly, the front eye is severely misplaced.
How are they going to upgrade the PhoneWave (name subject to change)? The email is sent to the attached phone through unknown magical means. If it’s then forwarded to another phone, the forwarding system should have existed in the past. After all, they probably can’t send an email to a phone before it’s even been assembled at the factory.
“Let’s try changing the hotel I’m staying in.” But why? They’ve already changed the past by having received messages. And none of them noticed Okabe doesn’t remember receiving emails at the time but Hashida does (“Makise Kurisu got stabbed”).
“[lottery] should announce winners next week” - “then there’s no point, we can only send d-mails to the past” — why? Agree to send it next week (or whenever winning numbers are announced), see if you get a message with numbers right now, and go buy a ticket.
“Figure out what to put in the d-mail to convince me to buy into loto six” - again, why not try with the future if convincing is a problem? Is there a lottery you can buy now that announces a winner tomorrow?
(but it’s not going to work with Okabe, because he’s a many-worlds drifter, he won’t have had experienced receiving the email)
“We can only send 36 characters, so we can only say so much” - why not send 2 emails?
Shiina: “the email is shady” How to convince Okabe: put his chuuni slogans in there, he’ll know it’s very personal.
And immediately after I type this out, Makise asks about Stein’s Gate. And it doesn’t occur to any of them to use it.
Ok, he did send it to and from himself, that’s something at least. (I’d still suspect header spoofing, I actually has a problem at one of my workplaces with misdated emails, secretaries were blamed for slacking off. I have one in my inbox from 1970-01-01.)
So why the special effect (monochrome vision, etc)? They’ve been sending such emails many times with no consequences.
Why did something change for Okabe? Nothing should’ve changed, because he doesn’t experience the time travel. If he’d got the email and he sent the email, he can only see it after he’d sent it on 8/3, not in the past, and no one else can see it at all as long as the phone is in his possession.
Troon: “You told me the numbers”. But Okabe couldn’t have told him the numbers because Okabe hadn’t seen them in the past. How do we know he hasn’t seen them? Because Okabe didn’t see any of the other messages sent to the past. There wasn’t a past Okabe who has and acted on it, who was replaced with the drifter’s consciousness at the moment of hitting send — otherwise Past Okabe would’ve reacted to a flood of messages from “Assistant”, and she’d have remembered it.
Now Hashida is lusting after a child far beyond the Romeo and Juliet threshold.
I hope, because the retard can't spend 10 minutes choosing between two foods anymore, she gets hit by a car on the way to the lab or something. She doesn't and I'm disappointed.
[Kiryu] “The send history disappears after you send the d-mail” - that’s her cue to say she’ll be sending one thing and send whatever.
I’d be satisfied with having predicted Kiryu’s message thing, but
How is Kiryu is Okabe’s address book? She should have no reason to have ever contacted him. He should still remember her email (if he has the mundane mental capacity to do so, that is) but it shouldn’t be in his phone.
Ah so Okabe and Kiryu met earlier. I really need to be recording the timeline. (But then she should’ve sent it into earlier -- it won't work perfectly because he's a drifter and she [probably] doesn't know it, but stupid move on her part.)
“Disappearance in Akihabara” -- why is he so retarded? He just changed the timeline and caused the satellite to appear, so the area was cordoned off.
And everyone joins in on the sexual harassment of the tranny (who’s a minor and a victim of his pedophile father).
Lmao Okabe suggests a rot pocket for the troon. The fuck. I started playing this on E;R’s recommendation and seriously didn’t expect this.
What the fuck, they’re now seriously considering erasing the tranny out of existence. (But also, they aren’t going to succeed — they probably can’t send a message 16-17 (how old are they? Are the ages translated or jap reckoning?) years to the past. First, 17 years is over 41 hours, and the PhoneWave (name subject to change) doesn’t work at night. Second, trannymom probably didn’t have a phone, or email, or email on the phone (are all three necessary? what if the email is sent to a normal server mailbox? or a text?). Third, if she somehow had, they probably don’t know her then-email address (or phone, for texts). Fourth, the sex of the baby rides on the spermatozoa and is 100% determined by the inseminating sperm cell. If trannymom conceives a girl, that’d be a completely different sperm cell with a completely different genetic makeup.
What the fuck, they’re really going through with it. *The* central experiment of muh purfect work of art is turning a tranny groomed by his incestuous pedophilic father into a female, on the basis of a bullshit superstition, and otherwise knowing fuck all about human reproduction. But a more likely outcome of “eating veggies” and thus messing with trannymom’s biology is trannymom will not conceive, or will conceive another babby.
Tl;dr it’s extremely unsafe to fuck with the past beyond one’s conception.
(But also, since they’re ostensibly concerned about “other people” — fucking with the past fucks with their conception.)
“Pager service was terminated in 1997.” But the game is set in 2010. So the message must rely on past infrastructure. Can the infrastructure of 1992 make sense of a wave from 2010?
154152 seconds is 42.82 hours. The machine stops working at night. ALL OF THEM ARE FUCKING RETARDED. And me as well, for still reading this shit.
“Without my special power we can’t check results” - you *can* if you agree to send the mail from the future, dipshit.
Shiina: “We have six lab mems now”. Okabe should’ve reacted, because he thinks she thinks there are only five. (l8r edit: But apparently after the fucked with the tranny, the timeline again changed and Okabe ended up having invited Kiryu to the lab and maybe made her a member again. So not a plot hole, just Okabe being a tard.)
“Chris-chan” still freaks me out a bit, is all.
The (other) furry child prostitute is intelligent. It’s still no excuse to employ a child as one, in fact it kinda makes it worse to have put this shit into the game. “Oh look, ‘mature’ children can totally consent to prostitution, because they can run circles around their adult ‘admirers’”.
“The psychology is uncertain” — this is why you should be experimenting on the other lab members, sending emails to after they’ve been aware of the time machine and having established a security protocol for themselves.
Fuck, I hoped Okabe would ask about the PC directly and that plot thread would finally advance. Fucking retard.
“She’s a @channeler” - it’s 2010, retard. Lolcats took under 2 years, from 2005 to early 2007 to become normie shit. I was a normie in 2007 and was charging lazors with the worst of them. In 2010, the half-life of a meme must have gone down a lot. Gangnam style took over the world in 2012. And they’re Japs. Anime is not a niche interest in Japan. Yes I know that “canonically” she is, but this isn’t written by channers, it’s written by the Jap equivalent of how do you do fellow kids exploding van minion posters who’d put a rickroll in their election video.
Oh god he got there. Finally.
Oh god he’s retarded and immediately blamed Titor.
But also, it’d be easier to find out who’s to blame if he didn’t tell literally everyone about the time machine.
BTW all emails from Amane disappeared from the phone. How come? And a shame, I like Amane.
The tranny says “imasen” (to Okabe’s question whether his father is at the shrine) in a sad tone, and I hope Kiryu had murdered him for the PC.
…damn, she hadn’t.
…huh? Why doesn’t Kiryu have the PC? Is she retarded, too?
“Have you met Moeka before?” Shiina doesn’t need to have met Kiryu before. She’s seen her just now, and you called out her name. Retard.
On a side note, Okabe’s drifting power proves souls exist (or at least he has one).
On another side note, despite harassing Makise, Okabe never brings up saving her life. Why? Is he too gentlemanly or just retarded? (This is important — someone wants her dead in the “original” timeline and the gravity of the situation should be imparted to her for her own sake.)
I know it’s pointless to complain about mischaracterization, but Okabe (and Hashida) are incurious midwits. It’s not possible that “geeks” (in the original sense of the word) hadn’t considered the implications of time travel. Instead, they’re behaving like soybrain capeshit fans.
Shiina: “Won’t PhoneWave-chan get tired?” THIS. FUCKING THIS. FUCKING SHIINA, a certified retard, is the most intelligent of them all. But not a single one of them had thought about it when fucking with the tranny, lmaoooooo.
“Our previous experiments have confirmed this” — you don’t fucking know! When you send the mail, your timeline supposedly changes. But the PhoneWave (name subject to change) might have to keep working in the original timeline. Your only experiment with a long time interval was inconclusive.
Ok, so Akiha either repaired her relationship with her father or outright saved him, which is why she’s playing in tournaments now. But, if she has a father present now, why is she still a whore?
Lmao Okabe is retarded as usual. “But was it so important for her to participate in tournaments?” Really now. And yes, there’s a practical age limit to children’s card games.
Oh wow? Akiha isn’t a pro whore anymore, she’s just an amateur whore. This is what a present father does.
“For now, I’ll write off that mail as a prank” — R.E.T.A.R.D.
What the fuck, this tranny shit is fanfic tier shit. Tee heee girly girl pillow fights!
(Also, the tranny as a girl will have a completely different life -- not being a tranny loser, it probably won't hang out with the other losers, which might have impacted the development of the PhoneWave.)
Amane is “hunting for her father” — she’s from the future, her father is a young man in the present.
The time machine meet is a setup.
Military-grade electromagnetic waves!!!
The writers should’ve kept the operation of the microwave a mystery from the reader. Because what they wrote is ultra-retarded.
“But we don’t know what injects the electrons in the PhoneWave” — so what was the point of that rant? “We don’t know what injects the electrons” was the state of affairs a couple chapters back. The nonsense about military-grade waves was pointless.
There might be a sort of humanist theme in the game; Okabe is changing the world by sending emails to the PhoneWave, but he’s also changing the world by sending emails to people.
Now writing memories is utter “blow-up-the-pope-with-antimatter”-grade bullshit. There are rules to using fantastical inventions in fiction; one of these is that if you introduce a superpower which breaks physics, it may be reasonably well-described but must stay badly understood. Attaching a phone to a microwave and getting a time machine satisfies this. But when you start shitty explanations, the mess becomes absurdly far-reaching. Especially when you’re not limited to an unimaginative protagonist but a “scientific community”.
So no, electromagnetic waves don’t boost each other producing energy from nowhere. Light is electromagnetic waves, and we all know very well how light works.
Rewriting the brain is an absurdly advanced technology, and the implications are beyond anything anyone might imagine. CERN and their puny time travel shit doesn’t matter anymore, nothing matters if you can copypaste people around.
Because I’m classy, the only bad example of far-reaching implications I can recall offhand is Zam Wesell from Attack of the Clones. The movie is titled “Attack of the Clones” and it has a conspiracy in it, but clones aren’t used for impersonating people, and there’s a shapeshifting assassin who likwise doesn’t use the shapeshifting for its obvious purpose at all. (But Stein’s Gate is worse. Star Wars is wars, it kind of delivers on what it promises. Stein’s Gate fails.)
“Only memories are being transferred, personality and consciousness aren’t included” — ok I thought the physics was bad, but the biology is something else.
Compressing data with a black hole. Fuck this.
“Transfer memories to yourself in the past, if you had a cellphone” — fuuuuuuuck.
They’re going shopping for parts for the brain reader. But why no brain writer?
Hashida hadn’t joined the lab until he found out it was close to the furry whorehouse. But there’s no furry whorehouse in the new timeline, why did he join?
Also: it’s very likely that without Hashida, there’s no PhoneWave.
Btw I got boiled like the proverbial frog, but this is a harem story, with a fat eunuch.
No, you can’t “inject electrons” from a tv on another floor. Electrons are charged particles, the beam diverges fast. And they can’t penetrate matter:
And how does the tv precisely inject electrons into the microwave? What if either is moved, which you already did? This is Rise of Palpatine shit dagger territory.
“We have a direct line to the LHC, we upload out memory data there and we hijack it to create a black hole” — too retarded. One, the PhoneWave already generates black holes. Two, sending your memory data to CERN is a bad idea.
“Time leaping is different from a D-Mail” (meaning the physics of sending the message) - how?
Ooh he used another gadget. Cool.
Higurashi:
(Disclaimer: I don’t really hate retards IRL, I don’t despise people who care for their retarded relatives, like Okabe is caring for his retarded friend here. But I don’t want to play a game about caring for a retard. I especially don’t want anything that deals with the ins and outs of tard sex — the tard may be sexually exploited by the fat pedo, but she’s also horny.)
Time leaping is also bad because it’s so good. There’s no drawback to time leaping, the game has to come up with literal chuuni shit (“muh pain”). You do not lose anything picking the best timeline.
Emails to the past is a much better plot device because they have an obvious drawback: for Okabe, time marches on. The greater the interval and effect, the less he fits in the world; at best he’s creating an utopia for himself at the cost of not fitting in. There are avenues that are cut off already; if he needs some prerequisite knowledge or skills, he can’t gain them by sending an email to the past. (But he can rely on friends and invest in them: friends can gain intangible qualities, but they can’t experiment with the timeline. This is an incentive for fucking with friends.)
“Each second brings me closer to retard girl’s death” - you have a time machine, midwit. You should’ve set it to a longer interval the second time around (really the first time around, but Makise was setting it up so it’s on her), but you can leap again.
Why are you running, tard? They literally have your number and everything. Meanwhile, you can’t easily transport your only advantage over CERN and your only chance of getting a retry.
A lot depends on how the timelines interact. If he never serendips the PhoneWave (name subject to change) by going to the past and deciding not to — CERN will eventually be triumphant, but will they still know about him and his knowledge, or will he pass beneath notice?
“That’s right! Before the attack, the trains were stopped by a bomb threat!” — you fucking forgot? Fuuuuuuck.
Lmao Okabe is exhausted and hit by a car and broke a leg but can easily shake off pursuit and get to the lab.
“Surpsiringly, CERN’s men didn’t chase me”. Somehow Palpatine returned.
“The police will arrest and question Kiryu” - why? How did she get hit by Okabe anyway? Since she knew where they would be to hit them with her car, she should’ve foreseen the outcome.
He’d leaped to the same moment again. “Before I leaped, I should’ve asked tard girl where she’d been”. How about leap way earlier? Tell yourself not to get involved with Kiryu? Tell yourself to not make the PhoneWave (name subject to change)? At least give yourself enough time to actually contact tard girl! Fuck!
“I consider explaining the situation to Makise and Hashida, but I just don’t have the spoons and don’t want to get them involved. I won’t let any more of my friends die.” Really now? First, they’re already involved and in danger, CERN wants them. Second, you already convinced Makise so you know what would work on her. Weak sauce faggot.
The devs couldn’t even commission a photo of Makise that looks like a photo, for her profile, and used her doll but grayscale, and she ended up posing like a troon. They definitely don’t have art for all those different stations, so Okabe and Shiina aren’t leaving here.
Tennouji loli-chan looks like the Higurashi tard girl.
Also, the universe hates the Shiina character as much as I hate it. Let it go, Okabe. Let it gooooooooo.
“Moeka’s group should have come and gone, but the Time Leap Machine is still here”. Somehow, Palpatine returned.
“I was right to come back five hours” — R.E.T.A.R.D.
An assassin opens the door and gets in next to Shiina. Okabe tries to open the door, but only the driver can open it from the inside.
…So just about anyone can open it from the outside? How and why? Is the driver in on the assassination plan? No he isn’t, another man has to point a gun at the driver. So why do the doors open?
“Does the world itself wish for Mayuri’s death?” yes. Yes yes yes yes yes.
But seriously, Titor said timelines bunch up. Okabe needs to cause real Chaos to get off the Shiina dies track.
Oh good, another invention used! (the toy gun in this case)
(Incidentally, despite Okabe doing the most to break secrecy, his chuuni naming scheme for inventions is superior: it's memorable, off-putting to adults, and allows for plausible deniability. No wonder it isn't adopted by the other retards.)
“The first gun was a toy” — but you don’t know how to use this one, retard.
Why does CERN need IBM-5100 pcs? “Secrecy”. Really now? No one knows cryptography anymore? How about use normal encryption rather then relying on security by semi-obscurity (not much obscurity either, because “people” are willing to pay millions for a device, therefore they’re reasonably popular) and obsolete tech. How about just don’t keep your ultra secret database on the ‘net?
(It'd work if there was some ancient "public domain" code that'd need a special computer to decrypt: CERN can't erase the code from circulation so they would need to destroy all the computers. But they shouldn't need the computers for their daily business.)
“[Shiina] is expendable” — expendable but not useless, she can be used to force the other three to do things. Why kill?
“CERN will hold you prisoner. Force you to complete their time travel research.” Exactly. They will want Shiina for this.
“You should leap farther to the past… I set the destination to five hours ago” [Makise]. RETARD. Leap far enough that you don’t hack CERN and don’t tell Kiryu and literally everyone else about the time machine.
“When you time leap, there’s no chance of a time paradox occurring” — yes there is, information is causal and is likewise subject to speed of light restrictions and paradox stuff.
Shitty writing: the impersonal self-pathologizing of Okabe’s immediate, present-tense narration, even though (1) it’s a bloated and voiced VN which can afford to relay every single interaction, and (2) it’s present-tense, which means he’s editorializing his present feelings, which cheapens them.
“One leap with our machine has a range of 48 hours”. How convenient. Ok, whatever, leap a bit further to the past, then D-Mail the shit out of the remote past.
“It’s impossible to use the time machine before 2 pm today” - but it’s possible to travel to the past and rush another machine’s creation.
“In that case, I’ll come clean, too. I was posting under my true name, Hououin Kyou--” — ok now that was funny for once. Good job delivering 1 (one) joke 30 hours in. I am truly getting my money’s worth.
Ok, so if Amane knows Makise was killed by CERN, why does she hate her? I'd thought Makise was a well-known time travel linchpin who Amane repeatedly tried to kill for the greater good, but she can't loop. She just wants to ride Okabe's duck. This fucking sucks.
“I lied about the structure of the universe so CERN won’t target me” — they definitely will, (1) they are masters of time and are actively looking for threats, and (2) you just told people online about CERN ruling the world, that’s a bigger tell than correctly picking one of two multiverse hypotheses.
They store emails in an ancient database? It most definitely can’t handle the volume. Pics especially are fucking heavy.
Also, they have to delete the email before CERN pays attention to it. After Kiryu is dispatched, it’s too late (but maybe she’s dispatched from the future, and the noticing happens later… but if I were CERN, I would forward important messages to the past, for them to be taken care of sooner).
Makise should have the TLM finished by 13th 2 PM, or it will affect Okabe’s ability to save Shiina — why? One, I forgot the details, but if it’s not complete, CERN might not attack right away. (The attack was provoked by Okabe talking to Kiryu about its completion.) Two, if they complete it before CERN attacks, Okabe can leap back and make Makise hurry up. Three, if Makise can instruct herself, through Okabe, to complete the machine in less than 48 hours, they can gradually drift to the past. Four, they can D-Mail the shit out of the past, perhaps with instructions “this is message 1 of 500, do not do anything until you get all of them”.
How does the divergence meter work? “Lmao idunno” - YES! This is how other time travel shit should’ve been approached.
How to make it to the beta branch: send tons of D-Mails to people way back in the past, see what happens.
“Our lifter is the 42-inch CRT downstairs” - congrats, CERN knows it now.
“I should’ve known the satellite was a time machine. Titor started posting afterwards.” Eckshually, no, it’s the convergence of everything. You made a time machine and sent some bananas and the first message through time. It’s not out of the question that a pivotal moment in time would attract time-fuckers. Amane confirmed it outright.
Hashida is probably Amane’s father. He’s the only one of the three inventors she knows little about, the age matches, the hair color sorta matches, they get along well, and I don’t remember him being much of a creep to her (not that it’d stop fetishist writers).
Why did Okabe go 40 hours into the past if he was concerned about Makise not being late with completing work on the machine? He needs to give her as much of a head start as possible, and not only to not forget the lifter but give as many other details as possible. Maybe some parts don’t work or don’t match or need to be connected in this or that order, or some tools are missing and need to be found, etc.
The pin could’ve come from a different timeline (e.g. one when Akihabara was the #1 pedo attraction), there's no sense looking for it in the present.
“Amane’s time machine can only travel to the past.”
> The reason why the PC was left for the protagonist to find is time travel fuckery.
CALLED IT
And it's just me bored and clicking through, why are the genius geeks so retarded?
Oh, now he’s MAKING the pin. He’s definitely the dad. He’ll then keep it, and it’ll be his actual possession in the closed time loop.
“That sad smile on Suzuha’s face” — well if you assholes succeed, she wouldn’t need to go to the past in the first place. OR you can put it into a will that when/if a time machine is created, someone should go to the past and rescue Amane (or go yourself). And you can also keep in touch with slow deposit letters and D-Mails, she can even initiate it from the past after she’s gone there, no need to agree on anything beforehand. I mean, you cockshitters (characters AND writers) watched Back to the Future, no?
The 70s in Japan were a great time. Best anime.
Hashida to Amane: “If you want to thank me, then let’s make out”. Shit, I spoke too soon.
“Suzu-san doesn’t have any stories about Daru-kun” — ooh, a rational thought from the tard.
“Before Kiryu attacks the lab, we should find the PC” — but you should have found and used it. Only Okabe doesn’t remember it because the timeline changed from under him, but everyone else should, and should fill him in. In fact she should’ve contacted them way earlier and rewritten this whole timeline.
Wait, you’re going to delete your email from CERN’s database now? When they’re already on your tail and have dispatched a kill squad? Not back in the past, before they had a chance to look at it?
(but an easier way to prevent a lot of the mess is to not send the email that saved Makise)
Oh don’t tell me the Tennouji loli is Amane’s grandkid. Thankfully not.
“The future is changing” — no, the present is changing, as it always did when you made changes in the present. When you talked to Makise, you talked to Makise. When you sent Amane into the past, she’s gone as an immediate consequence. The last time around she stayed (because her time machine was broken) and saved your life. Now young-Amane wouldn’t, but old-Amane still might.
Amane committed sudoku in 2000. Why? She had 10 more years to find the PC. (At least if it was sudoku. It could’ve been CERN.)
“Stop pursuit last mail is SERN trap” - ok I lol’d.
Ok now he wastes time cycling WITH MAKISE, who’s supposed to be working nonstop on the TLM. So what happens if she doesn’t complete it “on time”? Does “on time” even exist? What about Okabe telling Kiryu about TLM’s completion, does it still happen?
"I'll kill Moeka in cold blood" -- you can't kill her in cold blood, you're enraged. (Could be shit translation.)
How was the original pin made? Why does it omit the tranny and the furry, but include Amane? (Theoretically Kiryu might have been in it, too.)
Why does Amane remember her name as "Hashida Suzu"?
Why did she sent the slow mail to 2010, when Okabe couldn't change anything? She should've sent it to the recent past, in fact she should've lived until then and talked to Okabe as soon as he moved in. (But she should've sent a message anyway, several even, in case something happens to her.)
Okabe using TLM to "save" Amane: if many worlds is correct, anything he does is for himself alone (Amane, tard girl) because the only effect is him not having to live in the bad timeline. If Amane is correct and there's one active timeline, she'll be naturally saved by herself, when she succeeds in 1975 and is born into the golden future of 2017 not ever having to go to the past.
Retrospective plot hole: Amane winning against 5 CERN commandos. When she did it, I’d thought she was an advanced time traveller who could somehow retry on death/defeat and git gud to flawless that specific fight, but no, she’s just that good because muh feminism.
Another retrospective plot hole: who and why sent threatening messages to Okabe? CERN doesn’t threaten people and leave it at that, they kidnap or kill inventors and take their machines. Then why give advance warning? Who was phone?
Lmao rapist. But also: retard. Okabe’s “divinity” rests on Makise’s completion of the device, and she hasn’t completed it yet. Second, Amane can handle 5 armed commandos at once, she can certainly handle a lanky faggot.
“You can rape her, and then undo it with a time machine.” — you can’t rape her, and you don’t have a time machine. Retard.
“Hey, why stop at rape?” — SERN is watching and can act sooner. And you still don’t have a time machine. Retard.
“Go with me to 1975” — whoa this is a surprising direction. But I’ll eat my hat if it happens, because the game is amazingly cheap on art, and 1975 would be a lot of new art.
LMAOOOOOO the end.
And this will be the end, my Windows PC is dead and this doesn't run on Linux.
In retrospect, this has been Amane's plotline for a while now. I didn't notice because at some point in my playthrough, I was writing shit down and was late to answer Hashida's call, it dropped and Okabe talked to Makise instead. This made me realize I don't have to reply to messages from various dipshits, I don't have to even read them. I restarted and only interacted with Kiryu and Amane. I even reloaded when I accidentally misclicked and ended up opening a message from the furry whore.
Unfortunately, from vague posts on the online, it seems that I didn't so much forced this ending by my dedicated ghosting of tards than it's the first ending new players stumble on. This is sad and a kick in the privates from beyond the grave. I got robbed of the little agency I had here.
TL;DR I loved Back to the Future as a kid. I bought the whole series of games and went into this absolutely blind. A game with time travel -- a visual novel with time travel -- that has the gall to name-drop Back to the Future should have either travel to interesting times (pasts and futures) or interesting changes to the present. Stein's Gate has neither, it sucks and E;R owes me $100.
I mean Shiina Mayuri, who the protagonist is saddled with from the beginning. I fucking hate this type of character. Higurashi had one too.
"Then who was phone?"
Boring. Bad writing, unsympathetic characters.
The Japanese is really easy except for Okabe’s mad scientist ramblings.
I think its popularity and cult status are due to interwebs culture and spergs seeing themselves and “getting references”, and the exoticism of Japanese. I was like that about English in eighth grade, but I was 11. You have no excuse.
The plot seemed like it was opening up mid chapter 1 (experiments, John Titor messages) with the possibilities, but then it closed and became an ultra-predictable railroad. There don’t seem to be any mysteries left. I've read some atrociously claustrophobic VNs, but those were for retarded girls who need something to fap to. This isn’t porn, this is supposed to appeal to readers — to male readers, to male geeks — at least partially on the strength of the plot. But it seems the “what”s ran out and now only “how”s are left. This is boring. Yeah there may be surprises coming up,
(Incidentally, the “encrypted proprietary programming language” part is itself stupid - both the encrypted part and its use to protect CERN secrets on the network, instead of just not having the computer on the network.)
There are really three ways to have the audience guess or know something ahead of the protagonist without making the plot retarded:
- provide information from another point of view or as omniscient narration (VN-only option: in another plot branch)
- make the protagonist mentally deficient somehow (a child, uneducated, retarded, senile, drugged, mentally ill, in denial)
- have it in outside sources (IRL history, story premise — e.g. when you go to see a zombie movie, you know it’s not the coof).
Higurashi did a genius thing in chapter 3 by having an ultra-exciting mystery in it. I kept going to see the solution. There is none, it was all a scam. But that was the kind of mystery that I expected in Stein’s Gate, and it doesn't have one.
Also, Higurashi had a large world, it was always adding new things, even though it was largely set in a tiny rural place. Stein’s Gate has the whole world and limits itself to a handful of normie locations. A VN can have anything on the cheap. Stein's Gate goes out of its way to be as boring as possible. I hoped the protagonist's rants about creating Chaos will eventually pay off in him actually create some for a noble cause (to shift the timeline) but it doesn't.
Calling it now: despite the massive conspiracy in which half the world must be involved, the only, linchpin villain of this will be Professor Nakabachi, because he's the only remaining character with a doll.
The science is terrible. I hate technobabble, but it's not the worst, the worst are
- getting common-sense normie physics wrong. Like if you've made a time machine out of a phone and a microwave, you can say whatever about exotic black holes, but you can't bullshit about how the microwave and the phone normally operate, because people know this.
- implications with a far wider reach, like you come up with a slightly better way of sending messages to the past at the cost of introducing a way to remotely scramble or rewrite anyone's brain in the present. (Ray Bradbury poked fun at these writers in one of his better short stories, about a historian who failed to invent a device to view the ancient past but didn't realize it could be successfully used to forever bury privacy in the present).
Fundamentally, I wanted a plot that'd withstand scrutiny from a community of autistic geeks. But it falls apart on a single casual reading. It's garbage.
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How does sending emails to the past work? Why don’t the recipients’ recollections of receiving the email change, like the fat guy’s and the downs girl’s recollections of the lecture incident?
Oh, a pedo. A 18-year-old character sexually harasses a retarded 16-year-old girl; that makes the reader the pedo. Yes, she’s within the common sense margin, but she’s retarded. He’s getting off on her inability to understand the coomer shit he's making her say.
Teenage prostitution (to older adults).
The translation is inaccurate in places. For example, the love interest says “I was killed” [korosu verb] instead of “I died” [shinu verb], the translation says died. Downs girl is more annoying, uses third-person more (always?). On at least one occasion, the translation dropped “name subject to change” from the time machine’s name in the protagonist’s direct speech (it was present in the original).
The cat fetish competition is a retarded time-waster. Also - how were the protagonist and fat guy going to cooperate? It’d be one thing if it were a multiplayer game where two players secretly cooperating could bring down everyone else. But it’s each of the incels against the fetish model.
Tranny bait (furry fetish, age regression, troon character forcibly trooned out by his father and the protagonist lusts for him).
Cat’s asshole / lioncash mouths (described as “bewitching smile” in the case of the fetish model).
The retarded song and dance in the face of alleged tragedy reminds me of the criticism of the ending of Huckleberry Finn.
Where else the retro computer can be? At the tranny shrine, of course. I’ve suffered through zoophile BDSM, now I have to suffer through tranny BDSM.
Shrine location: “I don’t know if Faris was living in Akiba at the time” - why not ask, instead of running blindly? You have a phone.
“Arc Rewrite” (Kiryu’s magazine) is a meaningful name. Ignored!
The reason why the PC was left for the protagonist to find is time travel fuckery. He should catch on but doesn't because he's retarded.
The protagonist told fucking everyone he has the retro computer and is hacking CERN. He is retarded and deserves what’s coming (I hope something does!).
They don't get to using the computer straight away, because they're retarded and the retarded plot demands it.
(Another science plot hole: how does CERN manage to covertly get the energy for the LHC? This is getting blowing up the pope with antimatter grade bull.)
Would be neat if some or all of the other inventions happened to be useful, particularly if the player gets to pick an action.
“Remember we read that someone died?” “Uhghghghghh…” fucking retard.
“This was too easy, CERN should have better security” — the kids are most definitely manipulated.
Also the Braun Tube’s new hire is a plant, but that was too obvious. And not just a plant but a time traveller (insects, weeds, bicycles, is bad at getting around).
How do they know they are actually sending messages to the past? A simpler explanation would be that they’re just fucking with the cell towers somehow. They send a message now, they receive a message now (but backdated). A test for time travel: agree to send a message with unique, just-generated content, five days into the future, and see if it arrives today; agree to send a message with unique, just-generated content three days into the future and see if it’s already arrived somehow. Do not send anything now, just agree to send and see if this has an immediate effect.
Data has mass! Fucking E = mc^2
And Hashida (sp?) is right about email headers.
Still no experiment to find out whether it’s a real time machine.
Kiryu will probably steal the pc from the shrine in the past.
Btw the art for when she holds the phone is ugly, the front eye is severely misplaced.
How are they going to upgrade the PhoneWave (name subject to change)? The email is sent to the attached phone through unknown magical means. If it’s then forwarded to another phone, the forwarding system should have existed in the past. After all, they probably can’t send an email to a phone before it’s even been assembled at the factory.
“Let’s try changing the hotel I’m staying in.” But why? They’ve already changed the past by having received messages. And none of them noticed Okabe doesn’t remember receiving emails at the time but Hashida does (“Makise Kurisu got stabbed”).
“[lottery] should announce winners next week” - “then there’s no point, we can only send d-mails to the past” — why? Agree to send it next week (or whenever winning numbers are announced), see if you get a message with numbers right now, and go buy a ticket.
“Figure out what to put in the d-mail to convince me to buy into loto six” - again, why not try with the future if convincing is a problem? Is there a lottery you can buy now that announces a winner tomorrow?
(but it’s not going to work with Okabe, because he’s a many-worlds drifter, he won’t have had experienced receiving the email)
“We can only send 36 characters, so we can only say so much” - why not send 2 emails?
Shiina: “the email is shady” How to convince Okabe: put his chuuni slogans in there, he’ll know it’s very personal.
And immediately after I type this out, Makise asks about Stein’s Gate. And it doesn’t occur to any of them to use it.
Ok, he did send it to and from himself, that’s something at least. (I’d still suspect header spoofing, I actually has a problem at one of my workplaces with misdated emails, secretaries were blamed for slacking off. I have one in my inbox from 1970-01-01.)
So why the special effect (monochrome vision, etc)? They’ve been sending such emails many times with no consequences.
Why did something change for Okabe? Nothing should’ve changed, because he doesn’t experience the time travel. If he’d got the email and he sent the email, he can only see it after he’d sent it on 8/3, not in the past, and no one else can see it at all as long as the phone is in his possession.
Troon: “You told me the numbers”. But Okabe couldn’t have told him the numbers because Okabe hadn’t seen them in the past. How do we know he hasn’t seen them? Because Okabe didn’t see any of the other messages sent to the past. There wasn’t a past Okabe who has and acted on it, who was replaced with the drifter’s consciousness at the moment of hitting send — otherwise Past Okabe would’ve reacted to a flood of messages from “Assistant”, and she’d have remembered it.
Now Hashida is lusting after a child far beyond the Romeo and Juliet threshold.
I hope, because the retard can't spend 10 minutes choosing between two foods anymore, she gets hit by a car on the way to the lab or something. She doesn't and I'm disappointed.
[Kiryu] “The send history disappears after you send the d-mail” - that’s her cue to say she’ll be sending one thing and send whatever.
I’d be satisfied with having predicted Kiryu’s message thing, but
- Okabe is retarded
- the time travel science is so bad it makes predicting the plot worthless, because I’m predicting on the basis of tropes, not story logic
- it’s already been “so tiresome” when they didn’t decrypt the CERN database when they got their hands on the PC.
How is Kiryu is Okabe’s address book? She should have no reason to have ever contacted him. He should still remember her email (if he has the mundane mental capacity to do so, that is) but it shouldn’t be in his phone.
Ah so Okabe and Kiryu met earlier. I really need to be recording the timeline. (But then she should’ve sent it into earlier -- it won't work perfectly because he's a drifter and she [probably] doesn't know it, but stupid move on her part.)
“Disappearance in Akihabara” -- why is he so retarded? He just changed the timeline and caused the satellite to appear, so the area was cordoned off.
And everyone joins in on the sexual harassment of the tranny (who’s a minor and a victim of his pedophile father).
Lmao Okabe suggests a rot pocket for the troon. The fuck. I started playing this on E;R’s recommendation and seriously didn’t expect this.
What the fuck, they’re now seriously considering erasing the tranny out of existence. (But also, they aren’t going to succeed — they probably can’t send a message 16-17 (how old are they? Are the ages translated or jap reckoning?) years to the past. First, 17 years is over 41 hours, and the PhoneWave (name subject to change) doesn’t work at night. Second, trannymom probably didn’t have a phone, or email, or email on the phone (are all three necessary? what if the email is sent to a normal server mailbox? or a text?). Third, if she somehow had, they probably don’t know her then-email address (or phone, for texts). Fourth, the sex of the baby rides on the spermatozoa and is 100% determined by the inseminating sperm cell. If trannymom conceives a girl, that’d be a completely different sperm cell with a completely different genetic makeup.
What the fuck, they’re really going through with it. *The* central experiment of muh purfect work of art is turning a tranny groomed by his incestuous pedophilic father into a female, on the basis of a bullshit superstition, and otherwise knowing fuck all about human reproduction. But a more likely outcome of “eating veggies” and thus messing with trannymom’s biology is trannymom will not conceive, or will conceive another babby.
Tl;dr it’s extremely unsafe to fuck with the past beyond one’s conception.
(But also, since they’re ostensibly concerned about “other people” — fucking with the past fucks with their conception.)
“Pager service was terminated in 1997.” But the game is set in 2010. So the message must rely on past infrastructure. Can the infrastructure of 1992 make sense of a wave from 2010?
154152 seconds is 42.82 hours. The machine stops working at night. ALL OF THEM ARE FUCKING RETARDED. And me as well, for still reading this shit.
“Without my special power we can’t check results” - you *can* if you agree to send the mail from the future, dipshit.
Shiina: “We have six lab mems now”. Okabe should’ve reacted, because he thinks she thinks there are only five. (l8r edit: But apparently after the fucked with the tranny, the timeline again changed and Okabe ended up having invited Kiryu to the lab and maybe made her a member again. So not a plot hole, just Okabe being a tard.)
“Chris-chan” still freaks me out a bit, is all.
The (other) furry child prostitute is intelligent. It’s still no excuse to employ a child as one, in fact it kinda makes it worse to have put this shit into the game. “Oh look, ‘mature’ children can totally consent to prostitution, because they can run circles around their adult ‘admirers’”.
“The psychology is uncertain” — this is why you should be experimenting on the other lab members, sending emails to after they’ve been aware of the time machine and having established a security protocol for themselves.
Fuck, I hoped Okabe would ask about the PC directly and that plot thread would finally advance. Fucking retard.
“She’s a @channeler” - it’s 2010, retard. Lolcats took under 2 years, from 2005 to early 2007 to become normie shit. I was a normie in 2007 and was charging lazors with the worst of them. In 2010, the half-life of a meme must have gone down a lot. Gangnam style took over the world in 2012. And they’re Japs. Anime is not a niche interest in Japan. Yes I know that “canonically” she is, but this isn’t written by channers, it’s written by the Jap equivalent of how do you do fellow kids exploding van minion posters who’d put a rickroll in their election video.
Oh god he got there. Finally.
Oh god he’s retarded and immediately blamed Titor.
But also, it’d be easier to find out who’s to blame if he didn’t tell literally everyone about the time machine.
BTW all emails from Amane disappeared from the phone. How come? And a shame, I like Amane.
The tranny says “imasen” (to Okabe’s question whether his father is at the shrine) in a sad tone, and I hope Kiryu had murdered him for the PC.
…damn, she hadn’t.
…huh? Why doesn’t Kiryu have the PC? Is she retarded, too?
“Have you met Moeka before?” Shiina doesn’t need to have met Kiryu before. She’s seen her just now, and you called out her name. Retard.
On a side note, Okabe’s drifting power proves souls exist (or at least he has one).
On another side note, despite harassing Makise, Okabe never brings up saving her life. Why? Is he too gentlemanly or just retarded? (This is important — someone wants her dead in the “original” timeline and the gravity of the situation should be imparted to her for her own sake.)
I know it’s pointless to complain about mischaracterization, but Okabe (and Hashida) are incurious midwits. It’s not possible that “geeks” (in the original sense of the word) hadn’t considered the implications of time travel. Instead, they’re behaving like soybrain capeshit fans.
Shiina: “Won’t PhoneWave-chan get tired?” THIS. FUCKING THIS. FUCKING SHIINA, a certified retard, is the most intelligent of them all. But not a single one of them had thought about it when fucking with the tranny, lmaoooooo.
“Our previous experiments have confirmed this” — you don’t fucking know! When you send the mail, your timeline supposedly changes. But the PhoneWave (name subject to change) might have to keep working in the original timeline. Your only experiment with a long time interval was inconclusive.
Ok, so Akiha either repaired her relationship with her father or outright saved him, which is why she’s playing in tournaments now. But, if she has a father present now, why is she still a whore?
Lmao Okabe is retarded as usual. “But was it so important for her to participate in tournaments?” Really now. And yes, there’s a practical age limit to children’s card games.
Oh wow? Akiha isn’t a pro whore anymore, she’s just an amateur whore. This is what a present father does.
“For now, I’ll write off that mail as a prank” — R.E.T.A.R.D.
What the fuck, this tranny shit is fanfic tier shit. Tee heee girly girl pillow fights!
(Also, the tranny as a girl will have a completely different life -- not being a tranny loser, it probably won't hang out with the other losers, which might have impacted the development of the PhoneWave.)
Amane is “hunting for her father” — she’s from the future, her father is a young man in the present.
The time machine meet is a setup.
Military-grade electromagnetic waves!!!
The writers should’ve kept the operation of the microwave a mystery from the reader. Because what they wrote is ultra-retarded.
“But we don’t know what injects the electrons in the PhoneWave” — so what was the point of that rant? “We don’t know what injects the electrons” was the state of affairs a couple chapters back. The nonsense about military-grade waves was pointless.
There might be a sort of humanist theme in the game; Okabe is changing the world by sending emails to the PhoneWave, but he’s also changing the world by sending emails to people.
Now writing memories is utter “blow-up-the-pope-with-antimatter”-grade bullshit. There are rules to using fantastical inventions in fiction; one of these is that if you introduce a superpower which breaks physics, it may be reasonably well-described but must stay badly understood. Attaching a phone to a microwave and getting a time machine satisfies this. But when you start shitty explanations, the mess becomes absurdly far-reaching. Especially when you’re not limited to an unimaginative protagonist but a “scientific community”.
So no, electromagnetic waves don’t boost each other producing energy from nowhere. Light is electromagnetic waves, and we all know very well how light works.
Rewriting the brain is an absurdly advanced technology, and the implications are beyond anything anyone might imagine. CERN and their puny time travel shit doesn’t matter anymore, nothing matters if you can copypaste people around.
Because I’m classy, the only bad example of far-reaching implications I can recall offhand is Zam Wesell from Attack of the Clones. The movie is titled “Attack of the Clones” and it has a conspiracy in it, but clones aren’t used for impersonating people, and there’s a shapeshifting assassin who likwise doesn’t use the shapeshifting for its obvious purpose at all. (But Stein’s Gate is worse. Star Wars is wars, it kind of delivers on what it promises. Stein’s Gate fails.)
“Only memories are being transferred, personality and consciousness aren’t included” — ok I thought the physics was bad, but the biology is something else.
Compressing data with a black hole. Fuck this.
“Transfer memories to yourself in the past, if you had a cellphone” — fuuuuuuuck.
They’re going shopping for parts for the brain reader. But why no brain writer?
Hashida hadn’t joined the lab until he found out it was close to the furry whorehouse. But there’s no furry whorehouse in the new timeline, why did he join?
Also: it’s very likely that without Hashida, there’s no PhoneWave.
Btw I got boiled like the proverbial frog, but this is a harem story, with a fat eunuch.
No, you can’t “inject electrons” from a tv on another floor. Electrons are charged particles, the beam diverges fast. And they can’t penetrate matter:
And how does the tv precisely inject electrons into the microwave? What if either is moved, which you already did? This is Rise of Palpatine shit dagger territory.
“We have a direct line to the LHC, we upload out memory data there and we hijack it to create a black hole” — too retarded. One, the PhoneWave already generates black holes. Two, sending your memory data to CERN is a bad idea.
“Time leaping is different from a D-Mail” (meaning the physics of sending the message) - how?
Ooh he used another gadget. Cool.
Higurashi:
- Time travel
- Protagonist’s best friend, a retarded girl with absent parents
- Hot uniformed secretly sympathetic villain lady and her squad of faceless merc goons
- Furry fetish and tabletop games
- Most importantly a promise of mystery puzzle-solving that fast devolves into bullshit
(Disclaimer: I don’t really hate retards IRL, I don’t despise people who care for their retarded relatives, like Okabe is caring for his retarded friend here. But I don’t want to play a game about caring for a retard. I especially don’t want anything that deals with the ins and outs of tard sex — the tard may be sexually exploited by the fat pedo, but she’s also horny.)
Time leaping is also bad because it’s so good. There’s no drawback to time leaping, the game has to come up with literal chuuni shit (“muh pain”). You do not lose anything picking the best timeline.
Emails to the past is a much better plot device because they have an obvious drawback: for Okabe, time marches on. The greater the interval and effect, the less he fits in the world; at best he’s creating an utopia for himself at the cost of not fitting in. There are avenues that are cut off already; if he needs some prerequisite knowledge or skills, he can’t gain them by sending an email to the past. (But he can rely on friends and invest in them: friends can gain intangible qualities, but they can’t experiment with the timeline. This is an incentive for fucking with friends.)
“Each second brings me closer to retard girl’s death” - you have a time machine, midwit. You should’ve set it to a longer interval the second time around (really the first time around, but Makise was setting it up so it’s on her), but you can leap again.
Why are you running, tard? They literally have your number and everything. Meanwhile, you can’t easily transport your only advantage over CERN and your only chance of getting a retry.
A lot depends on how the timelines interact. If he never serendips the PhoneWave (name subject to change) by going to the past and deciding not to — CERN will eventually be triumphant, but will they still know about him and his knowledge, or will he pass beneath notice?
“That’s right! Before the attack, the trains were stopped by a bomb threat!” — you fucking forgot? Fuuuuuuck.
Lmao Okabe is exhausted and hit by a car and broke a leg but can easily shake off pursuit and get to the lab.
“Surpsiringly, CERN’s men didn’t chase me”. Somehow Palpatine returned.
“The police will arrest and question Kiryu” - why? How did she get hit by Okabe anyway? Since she knew where they would be to hit them with her car, she should’ve foreseen the outcome.
He’d leaped to the same moment again. “Before I leaped, I should’ve asked tard girl where she’d been”. How about leap way earlier? Tell yourself not to get involved with Kiryu? Tell yourself to not make the PhoneWave (name subject to change)? At least give yourself enough time to actually contact tard girl! Fuck!
“I consider explaining the situation to Makise and Hashida, but I just don’t have the spoons and don’t want to get them involved. I won’t let any more of my friends die.” Really now? First, they’re already involved and in danger, CERN wants them. Second, you already convinced Makise so you know what would work on her. Weak sauce faggot.
The devs couldn’t even commission a photo of Makise that looks like a photo, for her profile, and used her doll but grayscale, and she ended up posing like a troon. They definitely don’t have art for all those different stations, so Okabe and Shiina aren’t leaving here.
Tennouji loli-chan looks like the Higurashi tard girl.
Also, the universe hates the Shiina character as much as I hate it. Let it go, Okabe. Let it gooooooooo.
“Moeka’s group should have come and gone, but the Time Leap Machine is still here”. Somehow, Palpatine returned.
“I was right to come back five hours” — R.E.T.A.R.D.
An assassin opens the door and gets in next to Shiina. Okabe tries to open the door, but only the driver can open it from the inside.
…So just about anyone can open it from the outside? How and why? Is the driver in on the assassination plan? No he isn’t, another man has to point a gun at the driver. So why do the doors open?
“Does the world itself wish for Mayuri’s death?” yes. Yes yes yes yes yes.
But seriously, Titor said timelines bunch up. Okabe needs to cause real Chaos to get off the Shiina dies track.
Oh good, another invention used! (the toy gun in this case)
(Incidentally, despite Okabe doing the most to break secrecy, his chuuni naming scheme for inventions is superior: it's memorable, off-putting to adults, and allows for plausible deniability. No wonder it isn't adopted by the other retards.)
“The first gun was a toy” — but you don’t know how to use this one, retard.
Why does CERN need IBM-5100 pcs? “Secrecy”. Really now? No one knows cryptography anymore? How about use normal encryption rather then relying on security by semi-obscurity (not much obscurity either, because “people” are willing to pay millions for a device, therefore they’re reasonably popular) and obsolete tech. How about just don’t keep your ultra secret database on the ‘net?
(It'd work if there was some ancient "public domain" code that'd need a special computer to decrypt: CERN can't erase the code from circulation so they would need to destroy all the computers. But they shouldn't need the computers for their daily business.)
“[Shiina] is expendable” — expendable but not useless, she can be used to force the other three to do things. Why kill?
“CERN will hold you prisoner. Force you to complete their time travel research.” Exactly. They will want Shiina for this.
“You should leap farther to the past… I set the destination to five hours ago” [Makise]. RETARD. Leap far enough that you don’t hack CERN and don’t tell Kiryu and literally everyone else about the time machine.
“When you time leap, there’s no chance of a time paradox occurring” — yes there is, information is causal and is likewise subject to speed of light restrictions and paradox stuff.
Shitty writing: the impersonal self-pathologizing of Okabe’s immediate, present-tense narration, even though (1) it’s a bloated and voiced VN which can afford to relay every single interaction, and (2) it’s present-tense, which means he’s editorializing his present feelings, which cheapens them.
“One leap with our machine has a range of 48 hours”. How convenient. Ok, whatever, leap a bit further to the past, then D-Mail the shit out of the remote past.
“It’s impossible to use the time machine before 2 pm today” - but it’s possible to travel to the past and rush another machine’s creation.
“In that case, I’ll come clean, too. I was posting under my true name, Hououin Kyou--” — ok now that was funny for once. Good job delivering 1 (one) joke 30 hours in. I am truly getting my money’s worth.
Ok, so if Amane knows Makise was killed by CERN, why does she hate her? I'd thought Makise was a well-known time travel linchpin who Amane repeatedly tried to kill for the greater good, but she can't loop. She just wants to ride Okabe's duck. This fucking sucks.
“I lied about the structure of the universe so CERN won’t target me” — they definitely will, (1) they are masters of time and are actively looking for threats, and (2) you just told people online about CERN ruling the world, that’s a bigger tell than correctly picking one of two multiverse hypotheses.
They store emails in an ancient database? It most definitely can’t handle the volume. Pics especially are fucking heavy.
Also, they have to delete the email before CERN pays attention to it. After Kiryu is dispatched, it’s too late (but maybe she’s dispatched from the future, and the noticing happens later… but if I were CERN, I would forward important messages to the past, for them to be taken care of sooner).
Makise should have the TLM finished by 13th 2 PM, or it will affect Okabe’s ability to save Shiina — why? One, I forgot the details, but if it’s not complete, CERN might not attack right away. (The attack was provoked by Okabe talking to Kiryu about its completion.) Two, if they complete it before CERN attacks, Okabe can leap back and make Makise hurry up. Three, if Makise can instruct herself, through Okabe, to complete the machine in less than 48 hours, they can gradually drift to the past. Four, they can D-Mail the shit out of the past, perhaps with instructions “this is message 1 of 500, do not do anything until you get all of them”.
How does the divergence meter work? “Lmao idunno” - YES! This is how other time travel shit should’ve been approached.
How to make it to the beta branch: send tons of D-Mails to people way back in the past, see what happens.
“Our lifter is the 42-inch CRT downstairs” - congrats, CERN knows it now.
“I should’ve known the satellite was a time machine. Titor started posting afterwards.” Eckshually, no, it’s the convergence of everything. You made a time machine and sent some bananas and the first message through time. It’s not out of the question that a pivotal moment in time would attract time-fuckers. Amane confirmed it outright.
Hashida is probably Amane’s father. He’s the only one of the three inventors she knows little about, the age matches, the hair color sorta matches, they get along well, and I don’t remember him being much of a creep to her (not that it’d stop fetishist writers).
Why did Okabe go 40 hours into the past if he was concerned about Makise not being late with completing work on the machine? He needs to give her as much of a head start as possible, and not only to not forget the lifter but give as many other details as possible. Maybe some parts don’t work or don’t match or need to be connected in this or that order, or some tools are missing and need to be found, etc.
The pin could’ve come from a different timeline (e.g. one when Akihabara was the #1 pedo attraction), there's no sense looking for it in the present.
“Amane’s time machine can only travel to the past.”
> The reason why the PC was left for the protagonist to find is time travel fuckery.
CALLED IT
And it's just me bored and clicking through, why are the genius geeks so retarded?
Oh, now he’s MAKING the pin. He’s definitely the dad. He’ll then keep it, and it’ll be his actual possession in the closed time loop.
“That sad smile on Suzuha’s face” — well if you assholes succeed, she wouldn’t need to go to the past in the first place. OR you can put it into a will that when/if a time machine is created, someone should go to the past and rescue Amane (or go yourself). And you can also keep in touch with slow deposit letters and D-Mails, she can even initiate it from the past after she’s gone there, no need to agree on anything beforehand. I mean, you cockshitters (characters AND writers) watched Back to the Future, no?
The 70s in Japan were a great time. Best anime.
Hashida to Amane: “If you want to thank me, then let’s make out”. Shit, I spoke too soon.
“Suzu-san doesn’t have any stories about Daru-kun” — ooh, a rational thought from the tard.
“Before Kiryu attacks the lab, we should find the PC” — but you should have found and used it. Only Okabe doesn’t remember it because the timeline changed from under him, but everyone else should, and should fill him in. In fact she should’ve contacted them way earlier and rewritten this whole timeline.
Wait, you’re going to delete your email from CERN’s database now? When they’re already on your tail and have dispatched a kill squad? Not back in the past, before they had a chance to look at it?
(but an easier way to prevent a lot of the mess is to not send the email that saved Makise)
“The future is changing” — no, the present is changing, as it always did when you made changes in the present. When you talked to Makise, you talked to Makise. When you sent Amane into the past, she’s gone as an immediate consequence. The last time around she stayed (because her time machine was broken) and saved your life. Now young-Amane wouldn’t, but old-Amane still might.
Amane committed sudoku in 2000. Why? She had 10 more years to find the PC. (At least if it was sudoku. It could’ve been CERN.)
“Stop pursuit last mail is SERN trap” - ok I lol’d.
Ok now he wastes time cycling WITH MAKISE, who’s supposed to be working nonstop on the TLM. So what happens if she doesn’t complete it “on time”? Does “on time” even exist? What about Okabe telling Kiryu about TLM’s completion, does it still happen?
"I'll kill Moeka in cold blood" -- you can't kill her in cold blood, you're enraged. (Could be shit translation.)
How was the original pin made? Why does it omit the tranny and the furry, but include Amane? (Theoretically Kiryu might have been in it, too.)
Why does Amane remember her name as "Hashida Suzu"?
Why did she sent the slow mail to 2010, when Okabe couldn't change anything? She should've sent it to the recent past, in fact she should've lived until then and talked to Okabe as soon as he moved in. (But she should've sent a message anyway, several even, in case something happens to her.)
Okabe using TLM to "save" Amane: if many worlds is correct, anything he does is for himself alone (Amane, tard girl) because the only effect is him not having to live in the bad timeline. If Amane is correct and there's one active timeline, she'll be naturally saved by herself, when she succeeds in 1975 and is born into the golden future of 2017 not ever having to go to the past.
Retrospective plot hole: Amane winning against 5 CERN commandos. When she did it, I’d thought she was an advanced time traveller who could somehow retry on death/defeat and git gud to flawless that specific fight, but no, she’s just that good because muh feminism.
Another retrospective plot hole: who and why sent threatening messages to Okabe? CERN doesn’t threaten people and leave it at that, they kidnap or kill inventors and take their machines. Then why give advance warning? Who was phone?
Lmao rapist. But also: retard. Okabe’s “divinity” rests on Makise’s completion of the device, and she hasn’t completed it yet. Second, Amane can handle 5 armed commandos at once, she can certainly handle a lanky faggot.
“You can rape her, and then undo it with a time machine.” — you can’t rape her, and you don’t have a time machine. Retard.
“Hey, why stop at rape?” — SERN is watching and can act sooner. And you still don’t have a time machine. Retard.
“Go with me to 1975” — whoa this is a surprising direction. But I’ll eat my hat if it happens, because the game is amazingly cheap on art, and 1975 would be a lot of new art.
LMAOOOOOO the end.
And this will be the end, my Windows PC is dead and this doesn't run on Linux.
In retrospect, this has been Amane's plotline for a while now. I didn't notice because at some point in my playthrough, I was writing shit down and was late to answer Hashida's call, it dropped and Okabe talked to Makise instead. This made me realize I don't have to reply to messages from various dipshits, I don't have to even read them. I restarted and only interacted with Kiryu and Amane. I even reloaded when I accidentally misclicked and ended up opening a message from the furry whore.
Unfortunately, from vague posts on the online, it seems that I didn't so much forced this ending by my dedicated ghosting of tards than it's the first ending new players stumble on. This is sad and a kick in the privates from beyond the grave. I got robbed of the little agency I had here.
TL;DR I loved Back to the Future as a kid. I bought the whole series of games and went into this absolutely blind. A game with time travel -- a visual novel with time travel -- that has the gall to name-drop Back to the Future should have either travel to interesting times (pasts and futures) or interesting changes to the present. Stein's Gate has neither, it sucks and E;R owes me $100.
It was the opposite for me, it was fun while they were investigating the bananas. The stupidity of everyone involved became too obvious once they got their hands on working time travel.
I mean Shiina Mayuri, who the protagonist is saddled with from the beginning. I fucking hate this type of character. Higurashi had one too.
It's a tranny fantasy forced feminization fantasy that's got all the tranny tropes, including an admittance to tee hee girly girl pillow fights (or something, my brain had a merciful memory lapse) and the heterosexual protagonist lusting for him.
- Yes, it's tranny shit. The majority of westoid trannies are created by Japanese media; and there are of course native trannies in Japan, they're as gross and rapist as trannies everywhere else.
- This character is specifically a child who's been forcibly trooned out by his pedophile father and, now at 16, wishes to have a cunt. Forced feminization porn is very popular with trannies, look up "petticoated boys" on terven twatter if you feel like killing yourself but need that extra push.
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I definitely agree about that, it's one of those "yelling at the characters" type of things, like wtf are you doing. Pretty annoying.
That shit made me sick. Might've been a gross joke you can overlook once, but he's constantly lusting for him. Very fucking faggy.
I forgot about that shit, he was quite literally groomed. The game certainly has issues and I'm glad I pirated it.
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Never play Elite, it is just an inferior version in every way, even for variety it just cuts too much and butchers the art.
VN companies also always get into financial trouble. MAGES themselves were passed around numerous times by various companies. The consequence of being in a low volume industry, even in Japan. New stuff still always comes out because the cost is never high, it's not expensive to make chinese pornography powerpoints.
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Traps are gay, I'm not going to pretend otherwise. But once again, I do advise you to not let your brain being rotten by long exposures of western internet culture wars (and western creators screwing things up in regular basis for cookie points), and apply distorted views on fictional japanese media as a result.
As I said earlier, it's been quite a long time I've read Steins;Gate. But I remember Ruka (the otokonoko/trap character) having romantic feelings for Okabe (the chuuni MC) which was the main reason he wanted to be born a girl instead, with the help of the time machine-microwave, so those feelings could be reciprocated.
The japanese wiki also mentions that Ruka has a younger sister who is the total opposite, as in, actually very boyish:
The jokes seem to write themselves.
MAGES was especially in trouble because it had game projects that took forever to finally come out.
Specifically its own project "Anonymous Code" which was announced in 2015, suffered of several delays because the script was rewritten from scratch many times over, only to come out in 2022 with a rather poor reception.
While japanese ADV/NVL games look simple in appearance, I sincerely doubt they're cheap stuff to produce between the competent artists to hire (for the character design, background stuff and event illustrations), BGM composer(s) and especially the voice-acting.
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Hiring professional artists, musicians, and VA certainly increases the cost over the literal nothing of your doujin VN, but it still is small time compared to any real game. To my knowledge, many VNs reach break even at just 10,000 sales, with many requiring even less. If I recall, even "large" VNs like Rewrite, Alicesoft games, and White Album 2 were considered big successes with sales in the 10s of thousands. A VN that has the success of Steins;Gate is the exception rather than rule, and while it certainly cost a bit more than your run of the mill eroge, owing to its much bigger VAs, multiple OPs, etc, I doubt you will find any with an extraordinary budget.
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I was playing a VN called The Letter and it just casually dropped the nigger-word out of nowhere. I was completely caught off-guard and started laughing after a pause of disbelief. You just don't see it often. It was fully voiced too 
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Luke is the best part of this VN by far, Takahata101 nailed his voice acting.I was playing a VN called The Letter and it just casually dropped the nigger-word out of nowhere. I was completely caught off-guard and started laughing after a pause of disbelief. You just don't see it often. It was fully voiced too
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Just finished Full Metal Daemon Muramasa and damn was that a ride. I had an inkling shit was gonna happen in Chapter 1 after it did the whole "this story has no heroes thing", but it was still shocking and was even worse in Chapter 2.
The only thing that I had trouble wrapping my head around was the True Ending:
I think Minato took the whole "I'm evil because I kill innocent people" thing a bit too far or internalized it too much compared to what he was actually doing. Though, to be honest, I think that's more because I fundamentally disagree with the argument the Law of Balance was making. I totally understand and appreciate what his mother was saying when she made the point that the killing doesn't stop when you exact revenge or justice, but I don't think that's necessarily a problem. I also think that there's a moral absolute we should all hold ourselves to, even if part of that is trying to find out what that absolute is so I think part of my problem is just that I don't agree with the moral subjectivity of justice the story was trying to express. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm entirely on the side of Ichijo before her ending's epilogue.
I enjoyed every single ending but I think the Muramasa Ending, where Minato made the mistake of killing Sorimachi, was a more poetic and fitting end.
That doesn't even matter though. This is one of the rare games where I disagreed with the position it took but still can appreciate and understand the point it was making while enjoying the trip the entire time. I wish more books, music, movies, and games all took that kind of approach: instead of being obvious agitprop they instead ask questions and either let you find/express the answer or show you what they think the answer is while still respecting other positions enough to portray them as more than just strawmen to easily blow away.
I'm so frustrated that games like this are banned on Steam while stuff with way more graphic violence, gore, and disturbing themes like TLOU2 or Furry Hitler Hentai Harem and Gas Chamber Management Sim 3 are allowed simply because whatever subhuman troons that own the approval queue at Valve hate anime. Games like FMD deserve way more success so there are more of them I can waste my free time on.
The only thing that I had trouble wrapping my head around was the True Ending:
I think Minato took the whole "I'm evil because I kill innocent people" thing a bit too far or internalized it too much compared to what he was actually doing. Though, to be honest, I think that's more because I fundamentally disagree with the argument the Law of Balance was making. I totally understand and appreciate what his mother was saying when she made the point that the killing doesn't stop when you exact revenge or justice, but I don't think that's necessarily a problem. I also think that there's a moral absolute we should all hold ourselves to, even if part of that is trying to find out what that absolute is so I think part of my problem is just that I don't agree with the moral subjectivity of justice the story was trying to express. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm entirely on the side of Ichijo before her ending's epilogue.
I enjoyed every single ending but I think the Muramasa Ending, where Minato made the mistake of killing Sorimachi, was a more poetic and fitting end.
That doesn't even matter though. This is one of the rare games where I disagreed with the position it took but still can appreciate and understand the point it was making while enjoying the trip the entire time. I wish more books, music, movies, and games all took that kind of approach: instead of being obvious agitprop they instead ask questions and either let you find/express the answer or show you what they think the answer is while still respecting other positions enough to portray them as more than just strawmen to easily blow away.
I'm so frustrated that games like this are banned on Steam while stuff with way more graphic violence, gore, and disturbing themes like TLOU2 or Furry Hitler Hentai Harem and Gas Chamber Management Sim 3 are allowed simply because whatever subhuman troons that own the approval queue at Valve hate anime. Games like FMD deserve way more success so there are more of them I can waste my free time on.
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Yeah Muramasa in an experience, even if its point is countered by a meme
I wrote a long spiel over it couple of pages back, the only thing keeping it from being a true classic is the moralizing, but it goes so edgy it's pretty amazing. Don't know if it was a mistake or not to play the censored version, but it appears to be mostly rape so it's probably not a loss.
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You didn't miss out on anything playing the censored version. I installed the patch after I noticed one scene seemed to transition strangely and then believed all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about there being important dialogue in those scenes, but in reality it just seemed like an out of character break where the MC just kinda lost control after telling himself he was a monster for getting an erection while looking at an attractive woman or something. I didn't catch any important dialogue in those scenes at all.
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I'll try not to sperg about Subahibi in this thread
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Finally finished Umineko. 10/10 incredibly depressed. Are there any other mystery visual novels that will make me feel the same?
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Rose Gun Days is good and very bittersweet. Also from Ryushiki.