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It's still Steve, I don't know if he died or what though, he hasn't replied to my request to add a custom domain lol. He was kind of slow during COVID, who knows.

Honestly I would say if you halfway know what you're doing then just rent a VPS somewhere that's not notorious for abuse and run your own VPN server. Or if you're going to buy a seedbox then find one you can VPN through. I use VPN through my whatbox when needed and haven't found any issues with it.
 
There's too many options on the VPN market, but I see people on here praising ProtonVPN and Mullvad.

Which of the two is better, and does the better option work with OpenVPN? Edit: Both support it, got off my ass and googled it.
Bonus Question: If ProtonVPN is the better of the two, does it give me the paid benefits for ProtonMail as well? Edit: Looked at the Proton pricing plans, ~350 USD a year for combined services.

I just need to know which of the two are better, whichever gives the superior privacy AND P2P support.
 
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I just need to know which of the two are better, whichever gives the superior privacy AND P2P support.
I'll speak for the P2P question and say that Mullvad supports port forwarding right off the bat. I currently have an open port for use with Soulseek and it works just fine for sharing my own files, though it is only using OpenVPN for now. I don't remember if I was able to get a WireGuard one working last time I tried but I'll probably have a look some other time.

E: WireGuard also works just fine, was actually no different from forwarding it using OpenVPN. No clue why I assumed it would be more involved.
 
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Using Mullvad with anything but their client IF you want to have more than a couple VPN options is kind of a pain in the balls. Their client is barebones but mostly pretty decent... except that it only support program based split tunneling rather than port based as God intended.

No idea on P2P. Seedboxes are generally a better option if you're willing to pay.
 
I've used ExpressVPN for nearly 2 years, and it's a good service, to be honest.
+1 on this. They've had their shit fucked with, and proved to not be logging/doing shady shit by audits and the Turkish government. Very solid all around
 
What are everyone's thoughts on this article? https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/vpns.html
I mean... kinda?

VPNs aren't impossible to break, but they are annoying to glowies. Who do you trust more not to sell you out: Your VPN provider or your ISP/shitposting forum? Your VPN provider MIGHT sell you out. Your ISP/shitposting forum will DEFINITELY sell you out. (No offense to Fearless Leader. A court order is a court order.) Traffic analysis vulnerability is true, but if you have that level of end to end visibility, you can sometimes even break TOR if you're really determined.

A reputable VPN is good enough for most people.
 
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I‘ll still never forget how YouTubers continue to tell you to get either NordVPN or Express VPN, and I’ve never managed to actually get either one
 
I'm having a weird problem and I'm not sure if anyone else is experiencing it too. I'm trying to get a new VPN and whenever I access any VPN website, it says:

This site can’t provide a secure connection​

surfshark.com sent an invalid response.
ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
Every site! Nord, Express, PIA, some random website about VPNs.
I can access these sites on Tor but when I tried to renew my PIA subscription, it froze on the PayPal page so I reloaded it and gave me a 403 error.

Has anyone else been having troubles too or know someone who has? I feel like Terf Island has secretly blocked all the websites.
 
I'm having a weird problem and I'm not sure if anyone else is experiencing it too. I'm trying to get a new VPN and whenever I access any VPN website, it says:

This site can’t provide a secure connection​

surfshark.com sent an invalid response.
ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
Every site! Nord, Express, PIA, some random website about VPNs.
I can access these sites on Tor but when I tried to renew my PIA subscription, it froze on the PayPal page so I reloaded it and gave me a 403 error.

Has anyone else been having troubles too or know someone who has? I feel like Terf Island has secretly blocked all the websites.

Could be a few different things at play here:
  • Did you remember to update the Surfshark client? Alternatively, is there any option to reselt to factory defaults?
  • Did you try loading the other VPN websites without Surfshark on? I'm not sure how common this is, but I have read about VPN companies blocking websites preemptively.
  • Do you have browser extensions that fuck with proxy settings at all (i.e. Stealthy on Chrome)?
Also, stay away from PIA, Nord, Express, etc. PIA got bought out a few years back by an Israeli malware company, so now it's dubious as to whether or not the software itself has been compromised. NordVPN had a massive data breach toward the end of 2018 and yet refused to tell anyone about it until it leaked and they were forced to do damage control. As for Express, they do have a solid track record (i.e. servers in Turkey were seized, but nothing was actually on the servers) but their feature set and usability is generally subpar.

If you want my personal recommendation: ProtonVPN Plus is worth your money for a 2 year subscription (even more so if they're doing the black friday bundle with ProtonMail). If you're not a Proton shill like I am, Mullvad is an excellent (and cheaper) alternative though you will miss out on streaming with them.
 
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I've been using CyberGhost, it's cheap as shit, but I don't care. I also swap off to Proton or just use TOR.
 
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Not sure if anybody else is having problems, but the Farms sometimes fails to load using ProtonVPN. I occasionally have to turn off malware protection to get it to work, but changing servers hardly ever does.
 
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I'll speak for the P2P question and say that Mullvad supports port forwarding right off the bat. I currently have an open port for use with Soulseek and it works just fine for sharing my own files, though it is only using OpenVPN for now. I don't remember if I was able to get a WireGuard one working last time I tried but I'll probably have a look some other time.

Port forwarding is a bit too techy for me, but elsewhere WireGuard works very well. Supposed to be a bit faster, a bit more secure. Mullvad have some good blog posts to read if one is curious. Just found this one -


Multihop can be used for many different reasons, for example, increasing your privacy or improving latency/performance due to sub-optimal ISP peering. Each WireGuard® server is connected to all the other WireGuard servers through WireGuard tunnels. This means you can multihop from one server to another.

Not sure if it works on windows, it does on Linux. Not used it myself. I just use the normal WireGuard implementation in windows 7. Btw, Mullvad no longer supports windows 7, though the app still works. You will need to use it either on windows 10 now or greater or Linux. I'll probably try that multi-hop thing in Linux.


Using Mullvad with anything but their client IF you want to have more than a couple VPN options is kind of a pain in the balls. Their client is barebones but mostly pretty decent... except that it only support program based split tunneling rather than port based as God intended.

No idea on P2P. Seedboxes are generally a better option if you're willing to pay.

When you set Mullvad up to block the internet as a kind of "Kill Switch", it really does work. It does this by removing any capability to connect to the internet, unless you are using the client. Problem is, you can't connect to the internet, because any capability to connect to the internet has been removed unless you use Mullvad, without fucking about with involved Network Settings and re-jigging the adapters/sockets. It's a PITA.

It's actually easier to uninstall Mullvad, restart the machine and re-jig things from there. But that presents its own problems as well. Or maybe I'm just a fucking moron.

It used to be that the Killswitch thing didn't really work and you had leaks, but they changed all that a while back. Problem is it's a bit too efficient. I wouldn't like to use another VPN alongside Mullvad on this box because, well...

Funny thing is, you can still Ping google at 8.8.8.8 or wtf and it does have a signal, you just don't have internet. Not advanced enough to figure this out.

If you are on a windows box, then open a command prompt and type in:

ping 8.8.8.8

This will ping Google's servers and let you know if you are 'live'.

But if Mullvad is not started, you will not be able to use a browser to connect to the internet. Somewhere along a deeper layer of the OSI Stack it is still working though, as can be seen by pinging whatever IP you choose and it returning a result. HTTP and all that probably, fucked if I know.


Mullvad is very good for Killswitching your internet, but you have to enable it in the advanced section it is not enabled by default (last version I used).

Also make sure to do a check at https://mullvad.net/en/check/

This will let you know if WebRTC is enabled and if you have any DNS leaks and whether that particular assigned IP is blacklisted (that is why you get a shit load of captchas).

I'm going to be getting a second VPN soon for this box, but I'm not looking forward to setting it up with how brutal and barebones Mullvad is with how it goes about Killswitching. Good news is that it does work very well.

These are another couple of nifty commands to type in to your command prompt if you want more info on network/adapter/socket/ip activity and are just generally troubleshooting -

netstat /a

ipconfig /all

I mean... kinda?

VPNs aren't impossible to break, but they are annoying to glowies. Who do you trust more not to sell you out: Your VPN provider or your ISP/shitposting forum? Your VPN provider MIGHT sell you out. Your ISP/shitposting forum will DEFINITELY sell you out. (No offense to Fearless Leader. A court order is a court order.) Traffic analysis vulnerability is true, but if you have that level of end to end visibility, you can sometimes even break TOR if you're really determined.

A reputable VPN is good enough for most people.

Only use a VPN as an annoyance to those wanting to track you. Don't be evil. If you don't want to get caught, don't do it.

My VPN isn't to do illegal shit, it's to obfuscate my internet usage from prying eyes that are sold that data at every twist and turn. It just presents another hurdle for them and if you aren't doing bad shit, but still use it correctly, it can give decent rewards. It's not a panacea.

Mullvad might sell shit, they might have a back door, there may even be other backdoors they are unaware of in certain protocols they use. It's a trust based system, and you take things on balance. If you trust no one, none of the time, then don't use the fucking internet.

For anyone who cares, ProtonVPN actually implemented beta support for WireGuard. Finally, my biggest issue with ProtonVPN is now addressed. Now let's see how well this baby stacks up against Mullvad.

I have heard some not great things about Proton. I know they sold a lot of people out at the drop of a hat (whiff of a court order) and that many people I respect advise against using them. But maybe I got that wrong. It's not a company I would advise people to use. Though I use a couple of their 'free' email addresses. VPN is another matter.

Surfshark - https://surfshark.com/

I have heard great things about. But I also forget from where. They might be shit. Use your discretion, do your own homework. I'll probably try them out as a second VPN on the windows 7 box to transition from Mullvad. I also use other VPN's but not gonna PL more.

Btw, Mullvad support is short and terse but does exist. You can even send them money to pay for your account in cash to their offices in Sweden and they will credit your account (you create an anonymous ID on your computer and then slip it in on a bit of paper with the money - or something like that). Crypto does seem a good way to go and a good reason to try it out.

You can even set up Virtual Machines in windows of Linux Distros and then install the Mullvad client on there and get discrete IP addresses, all on the one box. I think they allow a max of 3 connections though that might be 5 now, not sure. It's a good robust solution if you have a bit of trust and know what you are doing. It's a few bucks a month so it doesn't break the bank either. It's handy to have an account if you mess with different OS like windows 7 and windows 10 and various distros of Linux.
 
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@benutz I'm not a simp for Proton AG, but I will say that considering how the worst thing I do on the internet is pirating media, almost any VPN would be appropriate to use. Mullvad would've been my preferred option, but I personally couldn't get on with the sheer volume of CAPTCHA requests I've received while using it. NordVPN was my preferred VPN of choice until the fallout from the breach happened, so that's no longer an option.

ProtonVPN on the other hand is in a (relatively) stable jurisdiction, they're quite transparent about their operations, they passed a third-party audit with flying colours back in 2020, and they do have a warrant canary IIRC. It's certainly not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but for what it does? It does it pretty damn well.

e: If there is a VPN I'd recommend above all others, I'd opt for IVPN because their transparency is fucking unmatched. They even have a page that specifically spells out the pros and cons of using them in such exceptional detail. CAPTCHAs and no DRM streaming are a bitch to deal with, but IVPN is definitely worthy of your money if you don't care about that kinda thing.
 
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@benutz I'm not a simp for Proton AG, but I will say that considering how the worst thing I do on the internet is pirating media, almost any VPN would be appropriate to use. Mullvad would've been my preferred option, but I personally couldn't get on with the sheer volume of CAPTCHA requests I've received while using it. NordVPN was my preferred VPN of choice until the fallout from the breach happened, so that's no longer an option.

ProtonVPN on the other hand is in a (relatively) stable jurisdiction, they're quite transparent about their operations, they passed a third-party audit with flying colours back in 2020, and they do have a warrant canary IIRC. It's certainly not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but for what it does? It does it pretty damn well.

e: If there is a VPN I'd recommend above all others, I'd opt for IVPN because their transparency is fucking unmatched. They even have a page that specifically spells out the pros and cons of using them in such exceptional detail. CAPTCHAs and no DRM streaming are a bitch to deal with, but IVPN is definitely worthy of your money if you don't care about that kinda thing.

Not accusing you of being a simp my good man/woman.

Usually VPN discussions attract shills like nobody's business. It's usualy PIA that are the worst, then Nord, then... wtf...

It's a very lucrative market. I think there are a few that keep logs who say they don't keep logs (mullvad keeps logs for a few hours and admits it, but it's for 'tech' reasons). Plausible, and they are being transparent.

In fact, a lot of forums I've been on, and I've seen this on many forums, someone with 3 posts in the last week (and registered last week) asks OHHH, I WONDER WHAT THE BEST VPN IS FELLOW KIDS?

You just gave your opinion. That was interesting to me as I've seen many other people I respect (well, more and more) also say this is a good service. I'm conflicted. Conflict is good. That is where real 'information' is. Sorry if I came across as judgemental or whatever.

If I could remember the stuff I was talking about I'd link it. But like you, it's not that important to me. I just want a VPN to get around certain stuff, none of it illegal, well, except for a few warez here and there, but joke's on them, as I usually end up buying those softs later anyway. Not even interested in porn (ok maybe a bit of tranny midget shit when my other gender partner and I are at an impasse in our furious love-making - don't call it a grave - it's teh lesbian death bed you chose!).

One good thing about mullvad is that you can check the IP you are assigned and it will tell you if blacklisted. More and more I see this happening as mullvad becomes more popular and is used by spammers. Though they have measures against this and can reset the system to an extent, it's always going to be a problem, inherent in this kind of open and anonymous system.

Anyway, no judgement my side, not a shill here either. You found a solution that works for you and give its pro's and con's and can have a civil debate about it all. It's win/win for everyone.

In theory, it would make sense to get everyone else on the internet to use the VPN you use, but then you run in to bandwidth issues and whatnot. Even Mullvad shares IP's as that also helps with anonymity. So even if someone did do something bad, 40 other people were logged in to that IP at the exact same time, so...

Mullvad maintain a list of all their servers, and they even tell you which ones are owned or are leased - https://mullvad.net/en/servers/

They probably aren't the best choice if you are doing something naughty, as they are part of the 14 eyes.



But who really cares (apart from my mum) if I whack off to brazilian midget tranny porn 3 times a day (maybe my doctor?).

LOL.


Sahn, why you no bring baby yet, uh?

I'm ugly mom, admit it!
 
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The problem isn't just VPNs shilling for themselves, it's grown into a situation where you'll have one company buying several VPN providers and buying the sites that review them, so even multiple ostensibly independent sources may not be reliable, but they tend to be fairly obvious if you're doing more than skimming



(This is what @Dread First is referring to above)

Nothing wrong with buying up competitors. It's a well-established practice.

But when you also own Webselenese, and Webselenese is out there writing Fair and Unbiased web articles pushing your services on supposedly objective grounds, then it's a little bit fucky.
 
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