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I hate what they did with the new guard kill team. They got rid of all mechs and heavy weapons for Kasrkin and Cav. Fucking retarded.
AOS Spearhead as its own seems to have far higher engagement, as far as i can tell ( least at every store i play at.) AOS spearhead seems to get way more GW support too. I forgot combat patrol is technically a game, and not just the name of the starter box.
 
Happened by the local GW "Warhammer Store" today. Felt kinda bad for the guy working there.

First, I was a mess, living up to the stereotype of a nerd no doubt.

There was one guy running the place, and it was quite busy. I overheard him trying to make the sale to the most normie of normies who didn't even know what 40k was. One guy had saw some necrons on the internet and wanted some but had no idea how and wear to start. All the while some clearly mentally disabled man is trying to talk to him about autistic lore details.

I came back about half an hour to an hour later, and mentally disable man is still there, talking about how some guy isn't human. I don't know if store managers have to put up with these kinds of people a lot, or if they're trained for it. Man had patience I can tell you that. All the while he keeps trying to pull me aside to make sure if everything is okay and if I can find what I need.

Part of me was sad. I mentioned this previously in the thread, but this visit confirmed it. Games aren't played there any more. There's a painting station, but that's it.

There was a FOMO section. "Get it before it's gone!" Felt a bit scummy. The Horus Heresy box set was there. I don't know if that means it's being dropped as a game. Also there was a Blood Bowl set in there. I had no idea that existed. I through GW dropped their specialist games a while ago.
 
Happened by the local GW "Warhammer Store" today. Felt kinda bad for the guy working there.

First, I was a mess, living up to the stereotype of a nerd no doubt.

There was one guy running the place, and it was quite busy. I overheard him trying to make the sale to the most normie of normies who didn't even know what 40k was. One guy had saw some necrons on the internet and wanted some but had no idea how and wear to start. All the while some clearly mentally disabled man is trying to talk to him about autistic lore details.

I came back about half an hour to an hour later, and mentally disable man is still there, talking about how some guy isn't human. I don't know if store managers have to put up with these kinds of people a lot, or if they're trained for it. Man had patience I can tell you that. All the while he keeps trying to pull me aside to make sure if everything is okay and if I can find what I need.

Part of me was sad. I mentioned this previously in the thread, but this visit confirmed it. Games aren't played there any more. There's a painting station, but that's it.

There was a FOMO section. "Get it before it's gone!" Felt a bit scummy. The Horus Heresy box set was there. I don't know if that means it's being dropped as a game. Also there was a Blood Bowl set in there. I had no idea that existed. I through GW dropped their specialist games a while ago.
From everything ive ever heard, those employees put up with way too much stress and shit for their pay. They do it for love but unlike the LGS, they dont own shit.

On another note, what is the draw of 30k? My limited understanding is its just marines, mechanicum et all slogging it out?

Genuine question. I can see the aesthetic appeal (esp with mechanicum) but otherwise doesnt become a more limited 40k? With resin models?

Edit: I am intrigued by it because IF is the chapter I want to build an army for but they are vanilla in 40k. But 30k? Theres at least 1 unit I love the look of.
 
Genuine question. I can see the aesthetic appeal (esp with mechanicum) but otherwise doesnt become a more limited 40k? With resin models
30k is for people who like Marines obviously but it also has a unique ruleset that is built off the bones of I think 4th edition? It's been awhile since I read it, but if you like/tolerate Marines and enjoy older 40k systems it might be for you.
 
HH is seventh edition, bigger armies and more focus on narrative over compfagging. It’s a “historical” war game that still allows for a lot of creativity within the rules of the setting. For example, you can run traitor or loyalist versions of every legion and almost all have rules/fluff, except for Word Bearers for obvious reasons.

Like traitor Raven rules are Astral Claws/Space Sharks and traitor Ultras are essentially proto-Hurons.
Happened by the local GW "Warhammer Store" today. Felt kinda bad for the guy working there.

First, I was a mess, living up to the stereotype of a nerd no doubt.

There was one guy running the place, and it was quite busy. I overheard him trying to make the sale to the most normie of normies who didn't even know what 40k was. One guy had saw some necrons on the internet and wanted some but had no idea how and wear to start. All the while some clearly mentally disabled man is trying to talk to him about autistic lore details.

I came back about half an hour to an hour later, and mentally disable man is still there, talking about how some guy isn't human. I don't know if store managers have to put up with these kinds of people a lot, or if they're trained for it. Man had patience I can tell you that. All the while he keeps trying to pull me aside to make sure if everything is okay and if I can find what I need.

Part of me was sad. I mentioned this previously in the thread, but this visit confirmed it. Games aren't played there any more. There's a painting station, but that's it.

There was a FOMO section. "Get it before it's gone!" Felt a bit scummy. The Horus Heresy box set was there. I don't know if that means it's being dropped as a game. Also there was a Blood Bowl set in there. I had no idea that existed. I through GW dropped their specialist games a while ago.
Last time I was in one, I mentioned I was an EC adherent, we talked about the then upcoming range and I casually mentioned that “I hope they don’t pull a World Eaters and gimp the army” which that bootlicker immediately took offence that I considered the WE incomplete and half-assed.
 
On another note, what is the draw of 30k? My limited understanding is its just marines, mechanicum et all slogging it out?
I didn't know the models were resin. I assumed plastic.

But what others said. My main interest is that it's the only part of the hobby left that feels like the old days. eg. There's a rule in the blackshields book "weapons of desperation" or "out of bolts" or something like that. Basically, Marines who are out of ammo and resorted to using standard auto guns, but being marines, a typical assault rifle counts as a pistol. Is it balanced? No idea. Don't care. There's also no official models for them. You want to run the rules WYSWIG, you're going to have to kit bash.

The rules being based on oldhammer is a nice bonus. The aesthetics vary for me. I like beaky marines, don't care for the weird looking terminators. Dreadnoughts are growing on me but still prefer the OG designs.

Another thing I like is that, even though it has a ridiculous buy in of £200, it's one of the few "value" boxes GW puts out. 40 marines, 10 terminators, 2 leaders, and 2 vehicles. Plus rules, templates, etc. Which, if you break it down, comes out to about £4 per mini. Less than that if you price out the vehicles and books. It is, in theory, a complete game in a box. And failing that, you can get yourself almost 2000pts of marines if you paint them as a single faction. People argue that it's not a competitive list, or that the models are not primaris so are banned in tournaments. I don't care for such things.

The value aspect is why I've been tempted by Imperialis Titanicous or whatever the current epic scale game is. Supposedly the rules are bad, and the models are expensive for what you get even by GW standards, but it's less money overall and can be played in a small area.

As for the game of 30k itself, it escaping the eye of souron is both a blessing and a curse. Supposedly the game avoids all the problems inherent with modern GW of constant rules updates and tournament bullshit. On the bad side it's always at risk of being discontinued. Which is why I express concern at it being in the fomo section.
 
I didn't know the models were resin. I assumed plastic.
Most of them are plastic, it's generally just the characters(but not all) that tend to end up as resin. Before HH "2.0" the line was mostly resin(and more expensive).
The value aspect is why I've been tempted by Imperialis Titanicous or whatever the current epic scale game is. Supposedly the rules are bad, and the models are expensive for what you get even by GW standards, but it's less money overall and can be played in a small area.
Kind of but also no at the same time. The discount boxes are decent, like the astartes box, the mechanicus box, etc(and those boxes are also only limited runs) but the problem is that you need a shitload more to have a full list and once you get to the point of needing to buy additional stuff that isn't in those boxes if you actually want do some list building rather than just running what you've got from the base boxes, the prices goes through the roof. And it's either because of stuff like only getting 4 tanks in a box, or needing to buy the infantry variety pack 4 times because you wanted to run a bunch of terminators, want some dreadnaughts ok you're also buying a bunch of stationary artillery, or wanting a handful of rhinos and needing to buy them 10 at a time.
 
Most of them are plastic, it's generally just the characters(but not all) that tend to end up as resin. Before HH "2.0" the line was mostly resin(and more expensive).
to add on- a quick way to tell is if looking at models on their website even on the search results is it's labelled as an "expert kit." further in the description it'll mention being resin and for ages 15+. however like others have said most of the standard units are plastic in HH, it's just more of the specialty models that fall under the ForgeWorld stuff (it's not differentiated the same.... i feel it used to be easier to tell on the website but maybe i'm just dumb)

Happened by the local GW "Warhammer Store" today. Felt kinda bad for the guy working there.


There was one guy running the place, and it was quite busy. I overheard him trying to make the sale to the most normie of normies who didn't even know what 40k was. One guy had saw some necrons on the internet and wanted some but had no idea how and wear to start. All the while some clearly mentally disabled man is trying to talk to him about autistic lore details.

I came back about half an hour to an hour later, and mentally disable man is still there, talking about how some guy isn't human. I don't know if store managers have to put up with these kinds of people a lot, or if they're trained for it. Man had patience I can tell you that. All the while he keeps trying to pull me aside to make sure if everything is okay and if I can find what I need.

Part of me was sad. I mentioned this previously in the thread, but this visit confirmed it. Games aren't played there any more. There's a painting station, but that's it.
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There was a FOMO section. "Get it before it's gone!" Felt a bit scummy. The Horus Heresy box set was there. I don't know if that means it's being dropped as a game. Also there was a Blood Bowl set in there. I had no idea that existed. I through GW dropped their specialist games a while ago.

HH is still going so maybe it was more the store getting rid of the item or something. I know I begged the owner of the store I run to limit/eliminate certain games they carried (they don't know what they're doing and just listen to their reps) in order to carry more of what sells because we run out of what's popular while shit that's not played around here collects inch-thick dust.

As for the clientele of LGSs....while most people are chill, that still leaves the handful. I remind myself and staff that as individuals with free will we've *chosen* to work where we do, which means at the very least we've got some touch of the 'tism but nothing like the nonsense I've had to diffuse (which is always left to me) of creepy guys with calcium bridges welding their teeth together butting into teen girls' conversations to talk about fighing ogres in DnD whose dick caused damage from it's smell and discharge.
 
(it's not differentiated the same.... i feel it used to be easier to tell on the website but maybe i'm just dumb)
You're not crazy, forgeworld used to be it's own website. When they merged the crap last year they decided to not properly label shit and assumed people would just know "15+ = forgeworld resin".
 
On another note, what is the draw of 30k? My limited understanding is its just marines, mechanicum et all slogging it out?
There was always an interest in making 30k armies since I got started in 3rd. Before Forgeworld started making rulebooks and models there were fan made rulebooks to cover the era and fans would convert 40k models into 30k ones using anything from RT01 era models and vehicles to filing down metal models and chaos marine bits. Personally I like the spectacle of seeing hordes of Marines and extinct vehicles like Sicaran, Fellblade tanks and Landspeeder Javelins as well the the opportunity to make loyalist defectors from traitor legions.
 
I'd like to try playing a kill team game using Joytoy figures. The cost would be... a little more than using the proper models.
I feel like GW is missing out on not having larger scale minis available. RPG's are seeing somewhat of a resurgence thanks to things like critical role so something like Inquisitor would be in a prime position to make a come back. I remember when they released the lastest edition of blood bowl and they had conversion video after conversion video released showing you how to make teams from the existing range.
 
Doesn't everyone hate Critical Role though.
At least each single instance I hear that gets brought up, it's followed by nothing but cursing and gnashing of teeth. I do not say this like a scuffaw who is indignant that his personal hobby (read: fiefdom) has become popular because of stuff like Stranger Things.
The other side are the Dungeon Meshi fans who assume I want to hear about trivia over an episode.
 
I feel like GW is missing out on not having larger scale minis available. RPG's are seeing somewhat of a resurgence thanks to things like critical role so something like Inquisitor would be in a prime position to make a come back. I remember when they released the lastest edition of blood bowl and they had conversion video after conversion video released showing you how to make teams from the existing range.
I think they need to work on their core games more than roll out more specialist games. The Death Korps of Krieg rollout showed there's an appetite for things that aren't Primaris Space Marines. There's also the issue where for some reason 30k plastic models aren't allowed in standard 40k games which would make the game more interesting and also increase the overall profit margin for corporate.
 
There are a few factors currently that will affect the hobby;

  • 10th edition end and fatigue, GW tends to have a lot of disengagement during the mid-end of editions once the newness has died down. Opinions on 10th seem to be mid which does not help.
  • Pricing out, the game is expensive as fuck currently especially in the UK, and GW is product spamming like a motherfucker. Customers are feeling overwhelmed and get bored.
  • Supply, people want to play certain factions and cannot get them without scalping, so feel resentful and find other hobbies.
Ngl I am pretty uninterested in GW as they seem aimless atm and 10th does not feel like the new start they were planning. I can get rare trading cards easier than models and so my interest has petered. It is all very the same old and nothing really interesting.
 
There are a few factors currently that will affect the hobby;

  • 10th edition end and fatigue, GW tends to have a lot of disengagement during the mid-end of editions once the newness has died down. Opinions on 10th seem to be mid which does not help.
  • Pricing out, the game is expensive as fuck currently especially in the UK, and GW is product spamming like a motherfucker. Customers are feeling overwhelmed and get bored.
  • Supply, people want to play certain factions and cannot get them without scalping, so feel resentful and find other hobbies.
Ngl I am pretty uninterested in GW as they seem aimless atm and 10th does not feel like the new start they were planning. I can get rare trading cards easier than models and so my interest has petered. It is all very the same old and nothing really interesting.

GW should copy WotC and MTG: Arena with an online game that copies the gameplay of the tabletop. Because that's another barrier of play, having to build and paint the models.
 
I feel like GW is missing out on not having larger scale minis available. RPG's are seeing somewhat of a resurgence thanks to things like critical role so something like Inquisitor would be in a prime position to make a come back. I remember when they released the lastest edition of blood bowl and they had conversion video after conversion video released showing you how to make teams from the existing range.
Resurgence? Critical Role? Critical Role introduced hordes of idiots with completely unreasonable expectations to the TTRPG hobby, a lot of them who otherwise would have just been doing the equivalent of posting their "creative writing" prompt slop to tumbr while contributing nothing but headaches. These are the same people who every time when Hasbro fucks something up hear about other TTRPG systems and says they're going to try something else because this is the last straw, but never last more than a couple of sessions assuming they even bother to try another system in the first place before being scared off by anything more than basic arithmetic. It's led to artificially propping up D&D 5th edition to the point where the new 2024 edition is out and they're throwing tantrums because it's different(it's shit but that isn't why they dislike it) to the point of seeming like an industry-wide downturn.

Even Critical Role's views have plummeted over time. On youtube now they're getting a half million views an episode. A year ago it was 1 million. 2 years ago it was 2 million or more. Even their peak twitch viewership is now 10-20k a month, 2 years ago it was 20-30k, and before that they were fairly regularly at 50k+ peak viewers and their average has fallen off even harder at 4-5k from 30-50k(or more). And back to my previous point about the idiots they unintentionally drew into the space refusing to touch anything else, their game systems Daggerheart and Candela Obscura both bombed because they weren't D&D 5th edition.
 
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