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Judge Holden said:
Its been effectively established for a while that Big E knew that some kind of Chaos backed rebellion by a number of his Primarchs was inevitable
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I've always taken those tidbits as more evidence that the Emperor, beloved by all, was a goddamned liar.
"Oh, you think that the gigagenius immortal lord of the galaxy was actually prone to mistakes, and this nightmare rebellion is proof of that? Think again, this is all a part of his master plan to save Humanity. He's still in control, he's still infallible, and he's still very much going to shut your mouth for you if you try and stir up dissent." I think that fits better with his characterization in the Heresy. The Emperor's plan is constantly fucked with, and he always pulls a rabbit out of the hat to salvage the situation while still trying to maintain the aura of infallibility he worked so hard to establish.
 
Dark Hersy hype has had me looking back at the lore. What's the word on an inquisitor potentially bringing an "ex" chaos marine into his party such as a night lord? I imagine it would be a lot more difficult to pull off then a rogue trader, but the issue is a bit mirky. Do we have examples including blackshields?


Spilled Spaghett said:
I mean...they have that one VR game Battle Sister. Though if we're talking about priority games for 40k I think a straight up Battlefield clone with the Guard is up there. I guess Eternal Crusade thought it's be something like that? I'm not asking to reinvent the wheel, just use a formula that works, and put a lasgun in it.
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Battle sister was fun. It was very ps2 tier in terms of graphics and capabilities but you got to wield most of the standard guns and duel wield anything you could get your hands on. Best part is there's a decent portion where you get to buddy up with a black templar and kill a crap ton of Word bearers.
Neveragain69 said:
I went onto r/RogueTraderCRPG to see if the last DLC is out yet and saw the most braindead take in a while:

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OP was even in the comments talking about how they thought the Emperor would be an iconoclast, "work with the xenos and the warp and everything will be okay" type. A lot of comments were pointing out how dumb it was, at least.

Sure, dude. The space marines who burn people alive for consorting with xenos would be completely chill with you keeping some pet xenos around and dealing in alien artifacts.

They even admitted in the comments they didn't know much about the lore but apparently thought they knew enough to shit this out. The fact it's so heavily upvoted shows the fucking state of the 40k fandom.
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Iconoclast by itself feels suicidal to me, but paired up with Dogmatic its pretty balanced out. It's difficult for the average imperal joe to go that route, but I roleplayed as a dude raised on Ultramar with a more liberal option of reform and alliances with the elves. You could probably play anybody traditionally heroic as long as they come from smurf land. Now playing as an inquisitor? That's going to be a lot harder to pull off. Deception and betrayal is the name of that game.

I am wondering how Dark heresy is going to categorize morality choices. In rogue trader you could just flip off chaos on the regular and go your merry way if you play your cards right. Im hoping the whole atmosphere and options available are more desperate.
Meat Target said:
Am I alone in thinking Uriel Ventris is a douchebag, or all blueberries as moto and noblebright as him?

In Dead Sky, Black Sun, he gets shoved into the Daemonculaba and is ready to submit to death, then decides not, to because he has an anime "remember, son, dying is for fags" vision.
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Compared to Tidus I liked him as a well meaning if flawed contrast, but that whole book was depressing as shit. They did an excellent job making the eye of terror a miserable, joyless experience. Ive only read the first 3 books but Uriel is basically a "normal" Ultramarine in that he cant solo hordes on the regular. He's talented, but theres a pretty heavy theme of sacrifice and bittersweet victory's to his name.
 
p1138 said:
It's literally just 7 wardogs, and because the stalker is a character, 2 of those boxes or 1 box and 2 large knights would actually be a legal and competitive list as comically ridiculous as a box of 7 war dogs is.
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Given that 11-12 Wardogs plus some character has been the standard Chaos Knights list for about three editions at this point, it's genuinely not a bad place to start.
 
Michael Wade said:
What's the word on an inquisitor potentially bringing an "ex" chaos marine into his party such as a night lord? I imagine it would be a lot more difficult to pull off then a rogue trader, but the issue is a bit mirky. Do we have examples including blackshields?
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Inquisitors mostly do whatever they want. This marine could be repurposed as a Blackshield indeed. As for employing "ex-chaos cultists", this is an option in one of the sourcebooks for DH's pnp, but it's meant for ex-heretics who genuinely regret it and likely didn't do much and will likely suffer a final and painful demise as their redemption, not Traitor Marines, but eh, we'll see.
 
So, playing Rouge Trader and I dunno if they nerfed the Chaos Marine fight or if I got lucky because of the Assassin DLC, but the guy went down really fast, infact I only had the Tech Priest drop during the fight.
 
The Secret Sauce said:
The Emperor's plan is constantly fucked with, and he always pulls a rabbit out of the hat to salvage the situation while still trying to maintain the aura of infallibility he worked so hard to establish.
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Tbh as dumb as the fight with Horus was I like that it showed BigE constantly kept hanging on just until the next interruption happened letting him slip away.
 
AncientPhosphur said:
Tbh as dumb as the fight with Horus was I like that it showed BigE constantly kept hanging on just until the next interruption happened letting him slip away.
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I liked it a lot, but I definitely see why a lot of people think it was bad. He probably went a little heavy on the interdimensional woo-woo "The Emperor parried Moloch with Cthonia" shit.
I just disliked the old lore, it painted the Emperor as a buffoon who could've easily defeated Chaos, but was handcuffed by his love and compassion for the only time in his life. He couldn't kill Horus because he loved his insane, demonic son who killed trillions in the name of Chaos, but he realized Horus was truly lost after he killed a guardsman who was shooting at him. So he snapped his fingers and ultrakilled Horus, as he could've done from the very beginning. It felt more like a Hallmark card than the foundation of 40k to me.
 
The Secret Sauce said:
I liked it a lot, but I definitely see why a lot of people think it was bad. He probably went a little heavy on the interdimensional woo-woo "The Emperor parried Moloch with Cthonia" shit.
I just disliked the old lore, it painted the Emperor as a buffoon who could've easily defeated Chaos, but was handcuffed by his love and compassion for the only time in his life. He couldn't kill Horus because he loved his insane, demonic son who killed trillions in the name of Chaos, but he realized Horus was truly lost after he killed a guardsman who was shooting at him. So he snapped his fingers and ultrakilled Horus, as he could've done from the very beginning. It felt more like a Hallmark card than the foundation of 40k to me.
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To be fair to the old lore, one it was never meant to be taken as seriously as it is today. I'm sure the focus was less on making sure each act of character development was logical, and more focused on rule of cool for the sake of the setting. Old lore also heavily steals from human mythology which does a lot of the same shit. It doesn't make sense, and so many problems could be solved very easily, but it's meant to be a more poetic representation of the human condition. Remember that the death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic. The Emperor has obviously seen death before, he knows what Horus has done. But the Emperor was always the beacon of Humanity's hope. This scene works because it really is the singular moment where hope died. The Emperor couldn't just kill Horus because it would be admitting defeat, admitting that despite his unending assurance that humanity was destined to rule the galaxy, If he could not rescue Horus, the first among equals and favored son, then humanity had no hope, no future.

Using a guardsman is again a more poetic choice. Yeah arguably Sanguinius probably should've been what tipped him over, but don't forget that even among the loyalist primarchs, they saw themselves as a means to an end. If they should die to save humanity, that is what they were made for. But to see their protectors callously destroy what they were made to protect is again more poetic and meaningful. It would've happened at the right time, and was much more real for him to finally see that shit's fucked. Game over.
 
The Secret Sauce said:
I liked it a lot, but I definitely see why a lot of people think it was bad. He probably went a little heavy on the interdimensional woo-woo "The Emperor parried Moloch with Cthonia" shit.
I just disliked the old lore, it painted the Emperor as a buffoon who could've easily defeated Chaos, but was handcuffed by his love and compassion for the only time in his life. He couldn't kill Horus because he loved his insane, demonic son who killed trillions in the name of Chaos, but he realized Horus was truly lost after he killed a guardsman who was shooting at him. So he snapped his fingers and ultrakilled Horus, as he could've done from the very beginning. It felt more like a Hallmark card than the foundation of 40k to me.
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I liked the Emperor using the Anathame (or one of it’s copies) to finish the job, that was some good bookends shit.
 
Purple fur Pomeranian said:
View attachment 7441244 only on reddit do you get this shit.
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Considering they spend their whole lives consooming, making as much death and misery to everyone else, and end their lives suicide jumping into a giant (acid) pits. Tyrannids as trannies is very fitting.
Meat Target said:
Am I alone in thinking Uriel Ventris is a douchebag, or all blueberries as moto and noblebright as him?

In Dead Sky, Black Sun, he gets shoved into the Daemonculaba and is ready to submit to death, then decides not, to because he has an anime "remember, son, dying is for fags" vision.
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I think Ventris legitimately did a stupid thing when he abandoned his company to do Deathwatch larping. Should have prevented him from ever being a captain again.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I think Ventris legitimately did a stupid thing when he abandoned his company to do Deathwatch larping. Should have prevented him from ever being a captain again.
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Yeah, but him surfing a Rhino into a horde of Nids before that was badass, and badass enough that his one dickbag sergeant said it was more fitting of the wild Sons of Russ than an Ultramarine.

And then in the leadup to the assault on the Norn Queen when the SW in the Deathwatch squad said they'd get so drunk afterwards they'd all wake up with hangovers like two continents colliding Ventris took him up on his offer.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Considering they spend their whole lives consooming, making as much death and misery to everyone else, and end their lives suicide jumping into a giant (acid) pits. Tyrannids as trannies is very fitting.
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Genestealers are so much more appropriate if anything. The constant need to goon, subvert, and infect others. Granted the only difference is when the biomass pit time comes the mind control wears off and they get the truth of it.
 
AncientPhosphur said:
Genestealers are so much more appropriate if anything. The constant need to goon, subvert, and infect others. Granted the only difference is when the biomass pit time comes the mind control wears off and they get the truth of it.
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Even down to the perversion of a religion which utterly detests their very existence. Morbidly obese, pink haired clergy in rainbow vestments are the irl equivalent to the cult of the 4-armed Emperor.
 
The Secret Sauce said:
Even down to the perversion of a religion which utterly detests their very existence. Morbidly obese, pink haired clergy in rainbow vestments are the irl equivalent to the cult of the 4-armed Emperor.
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Some planets are so thoroughly Genestealered but don’t have the biomass to activate the beacon, that somewhere inbetween 30k and 40k, those texts got quietly rewritten and those paintings of Emps had extra arms added.

It’s great cosmic horror, that both sides of the society have been subverted and the cult is just gonna kill the rich who are worshipping the four-armed emperor because the noble breeding standard was the one thing preventing their corruption.

Everyone hypes up those small town agri worlds but they’re corrupt as hell. Like you never know when a humble agri world’s entire government will create a conspiracy to protect a Slaanesh-corrupted non-practicing Imperial Legal Officer.
 
Here's a few size comparisons for the new saturnine models. The terminator especially is ridiculous
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Miragestallio said:
Here's a few size comparisons for the new saturnine models. The terminator especially is ridiculous
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The size is so gay, I hate the new dread as well. No one asked for that shit. No one. But I'm sure the new dogshit designs will draw in many 40slop trannies into heresy. Looking forward to turning up to tournaments and now facing off against 40slop trannies with unpainted armies. The only good thing from the set is probably the MK2s, I don't think I'll even assemble my shatinine models.
 
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