Warhammer 40k

[p1138]

Why is Arch so fucking mad at Trench Crusade? He didnt even seethe over Warhammer that much when they forced him to remove his warhammer name. Is it cause they directly called him out before and hes mad he even gave the game marketing at first?

Probably more that it's just easy clicks for his archcast channel, just look at the rest of the crap he posts

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Why is Arch so fucking mad at Trench Crusade? He didnt even seethe over Warhammer that much when they forced him to remove his warhammer name. Is it cause they directly called him out before and hes mad he even gave the game marketing at first?

Because it was supposed to be /our/ game! A grimdark miniature game of Christians versus the forces of Hell. But then the designers turned out to be WOKE! They dared to insinuate that the Christian forces might be as cruel as demons, a shock since these former GW designers never made a game where all the factions had evil aspects to them. They also didn’t want the game to be infested with trad Christian larpers, which meant they were obviously politicizing the game for leftists.

He’s assmad that his side couldn’t infiltrate the game’s community and turn it into a far-right wish fulfillment of murdering degenerates and browns. He will alog every single misstep Trench Crusade makes and spin it as the inevitable result of going woke. What’s funny is that the motherfucker is in the Trench Crusade discord. Despite all the negative attention Arch drums up, he’s still allowed on the discord, presumably because the developers have more pressing needs like getting their products out on time than banning a shit stirrer.

 

[creaturestorm]

They dared to insinuate that the Christian forces might be as cruel as demons

This is legit fucking retarded though...

I think it's fair to say the Christian forces might be as blasphemous as actual demons, but even under the worst human regimes imaginable it would surely be preferable to literal hell where there is no hope and there is no god.

Art fags who make TC cant handle that kind of nuance nor do they have that kind of understanding of religion/faith, so they miss the forest for the trees.

I mean... how fucking shallow and boring of a game/setting.

"Christ cucks are the real bad guys" the TC dev thought to himself smugly

That's really it? Of all the statements you could of made they defaulted to that? What a waste of creepy and obscene Christian imagery. Safe edgy to the maximum.

 

[Rick The Stick]

I mean I know the point is to just be mad and try to cause drama, but are these types aware that they could very easily just take the parts of [cool thing] that they like and disregard all the stuff that's fake and gay? And then they could get with like minded people and homebrew their own shit? Nothing is stopping them. Pretty sure that's one of the many selling points of TT games. And if your way of doing things is popular enough, maybe it'll have an impact.
Or maybe it's not and the point is to slavishly follow the "official" bits no matter how much you hate it. I'm a non-player so idk.

 

[creaturestorm]

I mean I know the point is to just be mad and try to cause drama, but are these types aware that they could very easily just take the parts of [cool thing] that they like and disregard all the stuff that's fake and gay? And then they could get with like minded people and homebrew their own shit? Nothing is stopping them. Pretty sure that's one of the many selling points of TT games. And if your way of doing things is popular enough, maybe it'll have an impact.
Or maybe it's not and the point is to slavishly follow the "official" bits no matter how much you hate it. I'm a non-player so idk.

This sort of attitude is more achievable for a pen and paper kind of games, where there is very little buy in and all you really need is an idea, some dice, and willing people.

Maybe if more miniatures games were agnostic like role playing games, this could be true as well. You just show up with what ever you want and can throw down in some sort of universally understood rules set or something not so dissimilar.

For the most part wargames aren’t like that. Warhammer 40k can be played in any game store and conversely be purchased in any game store.This kind of presence and availability is what every miniatures company dreams of and aspires to be. Companies don’t want you doing your own thing and players don’t mind going along with it.

I know I’m not comfortable giving my money to people who might be making a joke out of my religion, I’m not buying their shit. It would be unfortunate if my fears were realized and this game became incredibly popular.

If I also had a YouTube channel and I was an ebegger desperate for clicks, I could see how hating on this game could be a full time job, rather than do anything constructive and make change.

 

[geckogoy]

I mean I know the point is to just be mad and try to cause drama, but are these types aware that they could very easily just take the parts of [cool thing] that they like and disregard all the stuff that's fake and gay? And then they could get with like minded people and homebrew their own shit? Nothing is stopping them. Pretty sure that's one of the many selling points of TT games. And if your way of doing things is popular enough, maybe it'll have an impact.
Or maybe it's not and the point is to slavishly follow the "official" bits no matter how much you hate it. I'm a non-player so idk.

"I don't know why people are complaining the peanut stand started serving their peanuts embedded into a turd. I mean, you can just wash the poop off and have a good time anyways. Im a non peanut eater so IDK maybe people just slavishly want to eat the whole turd"

No I'm good. Dead nigger baby franchise. Dead nigger baby spinoff franchise. I am not going to bother. I can understand why people are upset about it though.

 

[ChampFantana]

Reading the Bequin novels and I like them quite a lot. I already finished Pariah and I'm doing Penitent now. Really fun characters and I think this is my first time dealing with Inquisition centered stuff. Any opinions on Ravenor and Eisenhorn stories? Liking these dudes a lot and wondering if their stories would be worth a gander. This King In Yellow shit sounds kinda retarded though, even if I'm liking everything else in the series.

Spoiler: spoilers I guess

Deathrow being Alpha Legion got a lol out of me because I'm autistic. I wonder who it could be though. Must have been someone of some sort of renown if the EC he was fighting recognized him and decided to fuck off. For that matter, this series has made the Alpha Legion out to be some boogeyman tier shit going off the few explicit mentions of them. Which is weird, kinda.
Penitent giving us a Blood Angel(possibly a clone of one?) Whos mutated so much he has actual fucking wings is super cool. Idk how that works, if it's going to be explained or if this fucker if even an actual BA or not.

The Ravenor and Eisenhorn books are some of the best novels that 40k has.

I absolutely LOVE them.

 

[Brubby Two]

Lil homie update - still not finished but better off than he was, I've had this poor guy since I got back into the game towards the end of 8th. Put everything that's been in project limbo on my desk and will strive to have them all done by New Year. Beast of nurgle and Snikrot being the next focus.

I dont see people post their work much here anymore, what's the last project you finished?

Spoiler: lil uggo man

Saw this browsing game store FB groups and thought it was worth sharing. The absolute state of 10th edition, GRIM

Hope the reveals tonight are alright.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Lil homie update - still not finished but better off than he was, I've had this poor guy since I got back into the game towards the end of 8th. Put everything that's been in project limbo on my desk and will strive to have them all done by New Year. Beast of nurgle and Snikrot being the next focus.

I dont see people post their work much here anymore, what's the last project you finished?

Spoiler: lil uggo man

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Saw this browsing game store FB groups and thought it was worth sharing. The absolute state of 10th edition, GRIM
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Hope the reveals tonight are alright.

Why even use miniatures at that point?

 

[Brubby Two]

Why even use miniatures at that point?

If they played from home they'd do well with the old text books, soup cans, and pizza boxes but that's probably too much of a mess for the store. Or maybe they're really autistic about TLOS.

Many new players dont have the budgeting for terrain, or the hobby skills. I dont remember if it was Auspex that called terrain the third army at the table but it's very true.

 

[harbringer883]

This is legit fucking retarded though...

I think it's fair to say the Christian forces might be as blasphemous as actual demons, but even under the worst human regimes imaginable it would surely be preferable to literal hell where there is no hope and there is no god.

Art fags who make TC cant handle that kind of nuance nor do they have that kind of understanding of religion/faith, so they miss the forest for the trees.

I mean... how fucking shallow and boring of a game/setting.

"Christ cucks are the real bad guys" the TC dev thought to himself smugly

That's really it? Of all the statements you could of made they defaulted to that? What a waste of creepy and obscene Christian imagery. Safe edgy to the maximum.

Troons literally identify with the demons btw, but whats even funnier is they act like the muslims in TC are literal saints who have done no wrong.

 

[Humble Architect]

Lil homie update - still not finished but better off than he was, I've had this poor guy since I got back into the game towards the end of 8th. Put everything that's been in project limbo on my desk and will strive to have them all done by New Year. Beast of nurgle and Snikrot being the next focus.

I dont see people post their work much here anymore, what's the last project you finished?

Spoiler: lil uggo man

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Saw this browsing game store FB groups and thought it was worth sharing. The absolute state of 10th edition, GRIM
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Hope the reveals tonight are alright.

A challenge!

I completed this, which I’ve shown off wayyyyyy back earlier this year.

Counts as a Daemon Prince with wings, but this is Telemachon Lyras as he was during the Legion Wars and is depicted on a Daemon World with a cohort of cultists, daemons and SoH trophies.

This is legal by GW standards, the platform is made of unused parts for an HH Vindicator, the entire base is their plastic, their green stuff and the Herald/Swordbearer are both their models.

A friend challenged me when he saw my Lucius witt the elaborate base and gold slave, he said “Shove more crap on a base, make a whole scene while you’re at it.” So I’m looking forward to game night, I also have a WIP Rhino with people bolted to the chassis.

 

[augment]

Troons literally identify with the demons btw, but whats even funnier is they act like the muslims in TC are literal saints who have done no wrong.

I don't think they'll be buying the miniatures or be dropping down $1000 on a new army any time soon. They need that money for their horrifying body chemicals.
Arch just reeks of outrage-baiting, just like Nerdrotic does with the disney marvel crap.

 

[Judge Dredd]

It sounds like you are both talking about the same thing so I'm not understanding.

I'm not seeing it either. It seems to me the difference between Spearhead being well designed, and AoS being not well designed. Having never played them, I can't confirm.

AoS catchup mechanic can be gamed. This is bad. Without the autism confusing things, It means you want to try to deliberately lose for most of the game. Imagine a race where you want to stay in last place until the final straight. This can lead to unfun gameplay and feelsbad moments.

In Spearhead, the underdog mechanic is well designed enough that deliberately falling behind to get a buff isn't worth it. While offering enough of a bonus that the player behind can catch up.

Another reason this is bad is that underdog can be a way to smooth out minor balance problems. Instead of being a way to smooth out balance, it can exaggerate it.

He’s assmad that his side couldn’t infiltrate the game’s community and turn it into a far-right wish fulfillment of murdering degenerates and browns.

I don't think it's that. Raitbait/clickbait is the main reason.

But Trench Crusade has made a lot of misteps, and yet there's a rabid fanbase that defends it. It's like tabletop wargamings Star Citizen.

what's the last project you finished?

Tough call. Not "finished", but far along is my terrain, and my space cops. Space cops need basing and a wash. I need to buy bases and the models aren't 40k. And they're painted with pens as my test. And my terrain is waiting for weathering and some printed posters and detailing. Again, I need to buy things.

I have a few of my space marine kill team almost done. Again, need a wash (tempted to buy a panel liner, but I might just use a green shade/wash I got for bolt action).

 

[Imperial Citizen]

I know I’m not comfortable giving my money to people who might be making a joke out of my religion, I’m not buying their shit. It would be unfortunate if my fears were realized and this game became incredibly popular.

I can see how the use of religious aesthetics could be offensive to worshippers of said faiths. I don’t think they are making a joke out of your religion, no more than 40k is, and that series has the Emperor wipe out the last remnants of Earth’s religion with Reddit atheist logic.

The point of the setting is to take everything to the extreme. The world has been in a global war against the forces of Hell for centuries. The Faithful are guided by mad zealots and power-hungry warlords, death is constant, and any step out of line may be evidence of heresy. At this point, the Christianity of Trench Crusade would be a twisted reflection of itself. The Church has gone so far as to turn the Sacrament into a weapon, cloning MetaChrists for warriors to consume and gain power from.

It would be world where despite visible evidence that eternal damnation in Hell awaits heretics, you would have such a cruel, war-wrought society among the Faithful that some would view the temporal power of demons as a better alternative.

 

[Defensive Ella Purnell]

I can see how the use of religious aesthetics could be offensive to worshippers of said faiths. I don’t think they are making a joke out of your religion, no more than 40k is, and that series has the Emperor wipe out the last remnants of Earth’s religion with Reddit atheist logic.

The point of the setting is to take everything to the extreme. The world has been in a global war against the forces of Hell for centuries. The Faithful are guided by mad zealots and power-hungry warlords, death is constant, and any step out of line may be evidence of heresy. At this point, the Christianity of Trench Crusade would be a twisted reflection of itself. The Church has gone so far as to turn the Sacrament into a weapon, cloning MetaChrists for warriors to consume and gain power from.

It would be world where despite visible evidence that eternal damnation in Hell awaits heretics, you would have such a cruel, war-wrought society among the Faithful that some would view the temporal power of demons as a better alternative.

On the fence about Trench Crusade. I'm not that religious but it seems they're making New Antioch and the church as grimderp as possible but handling the Iron Sultanate with kiddie gloves.

They get a magical wall protecting all their shit, the Muslim assassin's have a super secret fortress that can't be located and is protected by Allah, it was the Christians responsible for opening a gate to hell, the church are cloning Jesus but they seem afraid to even mention Muhammad. Iron Sultanate are just into questionable alchemy. If they took of Islam's insane beliefs and made it grimderp there would be uproar.

Oh, and Africa and Native Americans are somehow holding off hell? What the fuck?

I still think it's a really cool setting, but I'll call a spade a spade.

 

[Bonesjones]

Trench Crusade is just a shittier Blasphemous.

 

[Brubby Two]

Traitor Cataphractii on the left?

 

[p1138]

Saw this browsing game store FB groups and thought it was worth sharing. The absolute state of 10th edition, GRIM

That's got nothing to do with 10th edition, that's just a store being lame as fuck. Hell, go pick up shit off the shelves and use that as terrain.

Many new players dont have the budgeting for terrain, or the hobby skills. I dont remember if it was Auspex that called terrain the third army at the table but it's very true.

And this. A full table's worth of terrain from GW runs hundreds of dollars. Even a table of MDF terrain is like $150-250. That being said, knowing someone with a 3d printer can solve this issue in a week if you're willing to just pay them for the filament/resin, time, and electricity.

 

[creaturestorm]

I can see how the use of religious aesthetics could be offensive to worshippers of said faiths.

I do to, but that doesn't bother me. That's what's most intriguing about the setting.

I don’t think they are making a joke out of your religion, no more than 40k is, and that series has the Emperor wipe out the last remnants of Earth’s religion with Reddit atheist logic.

The religious themes in 40k really only resemble Christianity on a surface level, in truth they could apply to many different religions. Perhaps they do. For the most part, I think he setting offers a valid critique of the institutions and ideas it parodies, and that parody makes the critique feel more honest and grounded. The satire of it serves to kind of prevent the audience from taking offense, it isn't meant as an insult. It's not pointed at any one group or people but a general warning to heed.

no more than 40k is, and that series has the Emperor wipe out the last remnants of Earth’s religion with Reddit atheist logic.

40k certainly isn't making a statement on a lack of faith, some black library authors might, but the setting largely doesnt concern itself with atheists and their beliefs about non beliefs.

I mean maybe you could interpret atheism as the lead cause to the path of destruction if youre reading the horus heresy novels, but outside of that... It ain't much to do about nothin.

The point of the setting is to take everything to the extreme.

That's definitely not what I got from it.

The world has been in a global war against the forces of Hell for centuries.

Yes and it would seem that the faithful have been driven to commit the most blasphemous acts imaginable, with no end in sight as they desperately try to stave off defeat in a war they're clearly losing (as you have described). The things ordinary people are doing in the name of Jesus Christ are so horrific and abominable, otherwise good souls are rejecting God and embracing sin, the exact corruption Satan has strived for all these millennia.

The'yve already lost on a spiritual level. it's over for them in every way that matters. If the writers had any clue of what Christianity is, the war between Earth and Hell would never truly end for this reason, It wouldnt be about Hell's inability to cooperate and achieve military success, it would be due to the perfect endless moral decay of God's 'faithful'.

The mortals are fighting so desperately to hold onto a life that is so short and temporary, losing God and giving up everything so you can cling on to what exactly???

The writers simply don't understand Good and Evil, their motivations. They miss the deeper points entirely. They don't understand the spiritual framework within they are working. They desperately needed to hire on a religious consultant.

To make matters worse, the developers have basically admitted that, in their eyes there are no good guys.

Really? I can accept that the religous institutions have utterly collapsed, but to suggest that not a single saint or hero remains. Does everyone in this setting share an equally retarded understanding of God and religion?

So all of the 'faithful' and that the church are in ruins? Am I to accept that God himself has lost his creation or give up on humanity entirely by this point?

The more I think about it the sadder it gets, just how out of touch these people probably are. To just not understand this stuff... They've probably been missing out on relationship with god for their entire lives. These fuckers need to go to church.