Warhammer 40k

[Bonesjones]

How did I admit whatever the fuck you're talking about? I just admitted I've run into bullshit, I just don't put up with it if I don't have to.

Read your own post history you hysterical retard. Also you said it didnt happen to now you wont let it happen if you dont have to. Keep your story straight internet tough guy.

How did I say it wasn't a problem?

Look at you dodge the question to sperg out .

Can you just get the fuck out of this thread instead of cluttering it with shit showing that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about?

I thought you were going to explain how the guard worked to me while not knowing the basic details of how its a combined arms faction. You are the idiot shitting up the thread to talk about how you know it all and everyone else is wrong. We can smell your unwashed hair and dirty dress you post in from here.

"relative level"? WYSIWYG doesn't have levels, that's the fucking point. If it did, it wouldn't be WYSIWYG. The "See" and "Get" need to match. And yeah, cheating happens, and gets caught when people nut up and contact the judges to call it the fuck out.

Yes it does and you explain how it does. You just want to be contrary because it blows the argument you were trying to make apart. Proxies aren't seeing what you get its approximately what you see is what you get. Its in the name, you fucking retard.

Most cheating isn't caught because its ambiguous, in your lengthy diatribe you even name multiple instances of it. Stop getting emotional over pushing action figures around because you nothing else to live for.

 

[p1138]

Look at you dodge the question to sperg out .

Asking you to clarify is dodging a question? Ok.

I thought you were going to explain how the guard worked to me while not knowing the basic details of how its a combined arms faction. You are the idiot shitting up the thread to talk about how you know it all and everyone else is wrong. We can smell your unwashed hair and dirty dress you post in from here.

You don't know how the fundamentals of the game works,. why am I going to bother discussing how a faction works with you?

Yes it does and you explain how it does. You just want to be contrary because it blows the argument you were trying to make apart. Proxies aren't seeing what you get its approximately what you see is what you get. Its in the name, you fucking retard.

Most cheating isn't caught because its ambiguous, in your lengthy diatribe you even name multiple instances of it. Stop getting emotional over pushing action figures around because you nothing else to live for.

Pointing out that proxies can be WYSIWYG and allowed at events is being contrary to your position about proxies being malicious? That was the fucking point. I'm not even alone in that thought. Most cheating isn't caught because retards allow it to happen instead of questioning odd behavior at the table or making sure that procedures(like using a dice tray or checking lists) are in place. I didn't simply name multiple methods of cheating, I explained how they can be avoided or called out. You're apparently still hung up on the revelation that a game like 40k requests having a fucking list. What next, refusing to use a clock is acceptable because you think someone can just keep time in their head, instead of just using the clock to avoid bullshit? You've already explained how you can't be bothered to pay attention to what the fuck your opponent is doing in a game to spot weapon counts suddenly changing between rounds, if you're not paying attention to shit of course it would be easier for someone to cheat you in a game.

edit: Also, ~300 words is a lengthy diatribe(diatribe yes, but "lengthy"?) to you? No wonder you have difficulty paying attention in a game, assuming you actually do play(which I still doubt).

 

[Bonesjones]

Asking you to clarify is dodging a question? Ok.

Why should I have to read your own words back to you?

You don't know how the fundamentals of the game works,. why am I going to bother discussing how a faction works with you?

No YOU do not, which I exposed. Now you deflect because you got caught. You are a worthless bloviating retard.

Pointing out that proxies can be WYSIWYG and allowed at events is being contrary to your position about proxies being malicious?

Keep melting down. No one cares. "Do whatever you want, play pretend" is now "do whatever you want as long as you keep to the rules ecactly and get authority to intervene". Just a few posts ago you said you never had these problems because you were a big tough guy who didnt take no shit and now you admit you just run to authority. You really are the retard you accuse everyone else of being. So keep melting down, I'm done.

 

[p1138]

Why should I have to read your own words back to you?

No YOU do not, which I exposed. Now you deflect because you got caught. You are a worthless bloviating retard.

Keep melting down. No one cares. "Do whatever you want, play pretend" is now "do whatever you want as long as you keep to the rules ecactly and get authority to intervene". Just a few posts ago you said you never had these problems because you were a big tough guy who didnt take no shit and now you admit you just run to authority. You really are the retard you accuse everyone else of being.

LOL, since when the fuck did I say not to follow the rules?

And he shouldn't because it would be fucking stupid attaching a cavalry model with cavalry rules to a battle line unit. Yes he sucks, play Leontus instead(equally dumb for being a cavalry model attached to a battleline unit) use the drier model, put it on the right base, problem solved.

That is exactly what I said, and I said that it needed to be on the right base because the fucking rules state what base the models need to be on. And yes, at a fucking tournament the entire point of the judges being there is to make sure the rules are being followed. If they aren't being followed for a pick up game, you can still call the person out or just pack up your shit and leave instead of wasting your time playing against a cheater. There's no contradiction. You're making it sound like I suggested proxying Leontus with a fucking ogryn or something(which you could do with an appropriately sized kitbash on the correct base).

And no, I didn't ever say that I didn't have these problems. I said I don't complain about them because I don't let the problems persist. If your idea of never having problems is not putting up with cheaters and either saying something about it or ending the game and moving the fuck on, I don't know what else to tell you. You didn't seem to know what the fuck a list was, so no wonder you don't understand the concept of looking at a list. Even for a basic RTT I don't need my opponent to show me their list because it should already be in BCP, and if not... then I'm calling a judge. It's really simple. But if you actually played events... you'd know this.

You really are the retard you accuse everyone else of being. So keep melting down, I'm done.

Stop lumping yourself in with everyone else. The retardation is entirely you. 300 words in a forum post is a "meltdown"? Be done, good riddance. You can stop cluttering the thread with shit you know nothing about so people can actually have conversations about the videogames, terrain, etc. that you keep fucking interrupting with your nonsense.

Fuck, hopefully that's over.

Yeah I saw the Trench Crusade video and wanted to come here to see if anyone could corroborate what was said about resin traps and delayed kickstarter claims made in that video. Like I mentioned above I have been out of wargaming for a bit and have been catching myself up. They apparently made plastics which seems like a good thing, no? I certainly didn't back because I think 3D prints aren't worth the pocket change they are printed from for a variety of reasons. I know Trench Crusade obviously had a lot of other "whoopsies" they did even back a year ago and was wondering if they ever improved the rules beyond "mordheim but boring"?

Resin trap confirmation from TC people themselves

https://www.facebook.com/groups/trenchcrusade/posts/534815622846957/

At one point the community had a spreadsheet available regarding which models had resin traps and other issues with the STLs themselves, but I can't find it.

Regarding shipping delays, again from TC themselves

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405364378/trench-crusade/posts/4418030

So instead of shipping to all-in customers in batches, people who ordered the heretic legion warband and terrain get their product last. People who ordered Heretic legion and Black Grail get their product shipped out toward the end of the run. People who paid for the $666 pack, or the $888 pack who you would assume would be the most loyal customers, don't get anything until long after most everyone else has had their product shipped to them. Obviously shipping every release once available would be a little ridiculous but this is something that could have been done in waves to ensure the people who spent the most money were getting something. Like shipping 1-3, 4-6, then 7-9. Or even 1-5 and then 6-9 would be an improvement.

From August(the Beast and Heresiarch pledges being the biggest pledges

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405364378/trench-crusade/posts/4458625

Then the books showing up beat to shit in December because the company fulfilling orders lied about the packaging being used for customers and cheaped out on it

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405364378/trench-crusade/posts/4565023

Kickstarter projects can have issues. But these issues are due to shitty business decisions, contracting with companies that are known for a history of being shit, or outsourcing all of the logistics for a product and being surprised when the company fucks it up. It was all avoidable. Even in that last December update, they still haven't finished shipping rewards to people, that were expected in July of last year. Switching to plastics is indeed a good thing because it means proper retail support for the game but they did it before actually making sure the existing backers got their product first and while simultaneously backpedaling on their support for STLs going forward which upset the 3d printing crowd in addition to their AI law firm issuing takedowns to vendors for making third party minis, which they were in support of initially. There's a lot more of this stuff in the tabletop community watch thread, but all of the shitty problems can be confirmed with updates from the TC team themselves.

edit: Found the spreadsheet, they appear to have abandoned updating it early last year with everything supposedly being fixed and uploaded to MMF

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Qc85T64rh8U02-7NlyCYBjfeMXP2Dsd3DLGrm50qI_I/edit?gid=0#gid=0

 

[daniel day]

>mfw I desperately beg and plead for autistic niggas to just talk to each other like civil human beings but theyre content flinging literal shit at each other.

I dont mean just in this thread. Even in person trying to wrangle the tards at my local scene is like pulling fucking teeth.

 

[Bonesjones]

>mfw I desperately beg and plead for autistic niggas to just talk to each other like civil human beings but theyre content flinging literal shit at each other.
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I dont mean just in this thread. Even in person trying to wrangle the tards at my local scene is like pulling fucking teeth.

Watch out, you'll get 1000 word essay about how you aren't a real gamer because you don't sperg out for 5 pages. While he flip-flops back and forth about how he's right without knowing the rules he exposes and pretends other people don't understand basic fundamentals to deflect.

I'm just waiting on my Deathstrike to show up. Its interestingly the only real area denial weapon in the game.

 

[Lightning's Heraldry]

@p1138 Yeah a lot of what you posted was covered in the Janovich(?) video I was originally talking about. I was just wondering if anyone here had first or second hand experience with the issues themselves, either through having backed the kickstarter and experienced it themselves or knowing someone IRL who did. Internet blows stuff out of proportions all the time and I think getting boots on the ground information is more reliable than posts from people who live 12k miles away from me, you know?

Has anyone tried out their plastic range? How is the quality for price? Good kits or bad? Looking at the preview on their website it seems the kit has kind of muddy features for the amount of detail they are trying to put on them. Funny I think they could honestly learn a bit from the old 40k chaos cultist kit when it comes to designing if that is the case, where exaggerating certain details to make up for muddy quality injection molding would end up with a better end result. Then again I am unsure if the sculptors who understood how to do that even still work in the industry.

>mfw I desperately beg and plead for autistic niggas to just talk to each other like civil human beings but theyre content flinging literal shit at each other.

As someone who spent too long tard wrangling social groups over stuff like D&D the best course of action is to usually just make them take it outside. At least then you don't have to hear/smell it.

 

[p1138]

@p1138 Yeah a lot of what you posted was covered in the Janovich(?) video I was originally talking about. I was just wondering if anyone here had first or second hand experience with the issues themselves, either through having backed the kickstarter and experienced it themselves or knowing someone IRL who did. Internet blows stuff out of proportions all the time and I think getting boots on the ground information is more reliable than posts from people who live 12k miles away from me, you know?

Ah, gotcha. There's a lot of discussion in the tabletop community watch thread starting around page 130 but even then I can't recall anyone here actually discussing having bought the STLs and taken a look at them(a user did take a look at some 40k proxies on MMF in that thread, but it wasn't TC related) because there's already just so many other issues with the company and game. The average kiwi seems to have been smart enough to steer clear from this thing as a preorder/kickstarter. As far as the plastics, I've only seen redditors praising the "good pricing"(it's not), shills on youtube happy they got shit for free, and more people raging about how the company handled everything rather than the plastic minis themselves. The $30 shipping from Archon studios in addition to the $50 pricetag might have something to do with it, but there's some North American retails that have stocked an initial wave of it (like miniaturemarket)

Then again I am unsure if the sculptors who understood how to do that even still work in the industry.

There's plenty of former GW sculptors still around, and actively working on things but at this point most of 'em have been employed by more reputable companies, or just doing independent work under contract for various companies and I doubt TC would have the business sense or money to try working with them. Archon Studio is also doing the Starcraft minis which also have some muddy and soft details in areas well. They've mostly been a boardgame mini company, and it shows when they aren't doing some big impressive centerpiece type model.

 

[winderson_silva]

The thing about Trench Crusade to me is that it got a "Halo Killer" vibe. Where the focus isn't "Here is our new setting to have fun with," instead it is "We will beat this more popular IP"

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Yeah a lot of what you posted was covered in the Janovich(?) video I was originally talking about. I was just wondering if anyone here had first or second hand experience with the issues themselves, either through having backed the kickstarter and experienced it themselves or knowing someone IRL who did. Internet blows stuff out of proportions all the time and I think getting boots on the ground information is more reliable than posts from people who live 12k miles away from me, you know?

Look up my posts on the tabletop community watch thread, I've made a couple updates because the tism of it all was fascinating
I got the STLs from a friend and various telegram channels and a 3d printer but i haven't had the chance to print anything due to life and the weather

The old STLs are actually all up on ru-tracker if you want to take a gander on them iirc

 

[Bonesjones]

The thing about Trench Crusade to me is that it got a "Halo Killer" vibe. Where the focus isn't "Here is our new setting to have fun with," instead it is "We will beat this more popular IP"

The thing about Trench Crusade is that it's internally inconsistent with it's own lore, ran by retarded spergs and is so unimportant its only talked about it another games thread. Its Grimderp with a huge side of Blasphemous ripoff.

 

[p1138]

@p1138 Yeah a lot of what you posted was covered in the Janovich(?) video I was originally talking about. I was just wondering if anyone here had first or second hand experience with the issues themselves, either through having backed the kickstarter and experienced it themselves or knowing someone IRL who did. Internet blows stuff out of proportions all the time and I think getting boots on the ground information is more reliable than posts from people who live 12k miles away from me, you know?

Check the tabletop thread. I grabbed the Heretic Legion STLs and went through them for a few minutes. Nothing particularly wrong with the ones I found, but they're not great either for being pre-supported models. Can't speak for the rest of the line because I'm not going to waste my time grabbing them, but what @Sunflower Samurai samurai said about ru-tracker is correct if you're curious. No need to keep cluttering this one up about this bullshit no one does anything with.

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Post in thread 'Tabletop Community Watch'

Jan 8, 2026

Moving the TC discussion from the warhammer thread to here.

Took a look at the supported Artillery Witch model from December 2024, which if it had known issues should have been on the TC issues spreadsheet that was last updated in January 2025. Just looking for islands, 44 detected.

They probably won't cause print issues, but why the fuck do they even exist? Also, this is the bottom of skirt, should be obvious by the legs, what the fuck is going on with this unnecessary geometry? You're never going to see this. I'm not saying they should have left it dead flat, but it could...

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[Nick Wilde]

The thing about Trench Crusade to me is that it got a "Halo Killer" vibe. Where the focus isn't "Here is our new setting to have fun with," instead it is "We will beat this more popular IP"

Yeah it's coming off very tryhard. 40K wears its influence on its sleeve, it's half Dune, half Moorecock, half 80s metal album artwork. But Trench Crusade is just what came out of Gemini when they fed it a Zdislaw Beksinski painting and a picture of a Krieg mini.

The thing that worked best when 40k was peak grimderp in 3rd/4th is how you didn't know shit. It had that Dark Souls unexplained mysterious lore. Trench Crusade might have had something if they got that part right.

 

[Snekposter]

Wasn’t the last one stripped down and a letdown? My advice is don’t get your hopes up too much. Most games these days suck.

They've already yanked out transport vehicles, the fuckers, and gone all-in on Primaris, apparently. No more surprise Terminator buttsex from Land Raiders.

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

The thing that worked best when 40k was peak grimderp in 3rd/4th is how you didn't know shit.

I'd personally say 2nd Edition/first boxed set was peak, but it was still good during that era.

Also, it was best when it still had COLOR.

 

[Dude Snakes]

They've already yanked out transport vehicles, the fuckers, and gone all-in on Primaris, apparently. No more surprise Terminator buttsex from Land Raiders.

Nice feet mr snake. The Anchient Eqyptians had nutty/funny beliefs.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

I don't see how.

They've poisoned every community they've touched. Video games, board games, TTRPGs. Why would wargaming be any different?

Even the shop itself changed. From a nerd shop to a gay shop with some nerd things in it.

I’m sorry but I don’t want globohomo propaganda in my media. It does ruin everything it is in. It takes you out of the setting to lecture you on how bad white/straight people are. Do you like being demonized and shat on?

You guys have to realize that anyone who has apathy or even argues in favor of loony troons is not worth arguing with. They've made up their mind, least until something absolutely unacceptable to anyone sane happens. Even then I wouldn't bet on it. If you're going to argue with them, make it funny and rage inducing.

This faggot has legit never gone to any game store or played any games, as his entire argument boils down "But what if I see a TROON!!!" and that's about it.

Except this part. If this is true @Judge Dredd , nigger just go to a game store. You're making anyone against these creatures look bad.

>Gameplayless cinematic
I mean, it's pretty damn good but every time I see trailer with no gameplay of a game it's a red flag. I'm already not going to play TW40k, I don't want to have to skip yet another DoW.

Yeah I saw the Trench Crusade video and wanted to come here to see if anyone could corroborate what was said about resin traps and delayed kickstarter claims made in that video.

Shame it turned into a shit flinging content eh?

They apparently made plastics which seems like a good thing, no? I certainly didn't back because I think 3D prints aren't worth the pocket change they are printed from for a variety of reasons. I know Trench Crusade obviously had a lot of other "whoopsies" they did even back a year ago and was wondering if they ever improved the rules beyond "mordheim but boring"?

IIRC quite literally just the art was carrying this game. I've barely seen anyone play or talk positively about it that was just explaining lore or talking about how nice the art was. Seems not much has changed from @Sunflower Samurai's older posts on the topic.

 

[Kane Lives]

I'm already not going to play TW40k, I don't want to have to skip yet another DoW.

Let's be real, DoW as a franchise was already dead anyway so if this fails it just means it's dead for good.

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

You guys have to realize that anyone who has apathy or even argues in favor of loony troons is not worth arguing with. They've made up their mind, least until something absolutely unacceptable to anyone sane happens. Even then I wouldn't bet on it. If you're going to argue with them, make it funny and rage inducing.

Motherfucker, do you want me to go up to the owner of my local joint and rail at them to start implementing policies or some shit? Especially when there's no troon ect.. shit going on in the store? Exactly what do you want out of us?

Let's be real, DoW as a franchise was already dead anyway so if this fails it just means it's dead for good.

DOW is dead. Long fucking live DOW then.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

Let's be real, DoW as a franchise was already dead anyway so if this fails it just means it's dead for good.

Yeah, sadly I accepted this with DoW3 (didn't like DoW2 too much but I'll take it over 3 any day) but a man can hope.

Motherfucker, do you want me to go up to the owner of my local joint and rail at them to start implementing policies or some shit? Especially when there's no troon ect.. shit going on in the store? Exactly what do you want out of us?

Not at all what I was talking about, sure would be neat but that's a death sentence any business in this environment. Fine line between dealing with the shit as it comes and ignoring or even celebrating it, which is what I'm talking about. It's a real concern, this defeatist attitude gets nothing done. Not telling you to go to your FLGS and demand TTD signs, hell don't even antagonize them if you have something to lose unless you're willing to lose it, as I've said that's a death sentence, what I do want is for some people to have some self-respect in their pattern recognition skills and realize that if it looks like a cancer, spreads like a cancer, chances are it's a cancer and almost everything terrible on the community side and even official (days without mentioning Femstodes is now 0) comes from that.
The people who don't want to talk about this only exacerbates the shit flinging by trying to shut it down in the most retarded way possible, if you don't like to talk about it, change the topic and don't engage with it. We're not forcing you to engage people calling out how yet more cancer continues to ruin everything.