Warhammer 40k

[The tired cat]

I never understood that. This is not a realistic setting; it is space fantasy. Power armor will stop the user from dying from the energy transfer of .50 machine gun fire and even plasma shots. Are you really thinking "not, but if a single starving chaos cultist punches a sister in between the boob plate mid combat, it will shatter her sternum, and she will die instantly."?

Besides, the armor is fine, people sometimes just mistake the horny fanart they see with canon art, the armor is thicker than plate armor and made with sci-fi bullshit, you don't need to make their PA identical to Space Marines for the sake of "muh realism" and being a neo-puritan.

Tangent, but I find it funny people share these arts to show "this is how they should look like but GW is too sexist" because the guy that made them also draws rape porn.

Oh hey, I know this guy. I actually recall some of his 40k arts did get turned into minis, I think like the female commissar from his 40k Fan comic and like a Ciaphas Cain art.

 

[SiggerNlayer]

Sure people aren't jumping from rooftops and abandoning the hobby over it, but the idea that because GW isn't going into bankruptcy and there isn't mass boycotting that it's proof the general fanbase are fine with the changes isn't as logical as you seem to assume. People love the hobby so they'll willingly ignore the things they don't like, but that's not the same as acceptance or endorsement.

Youve had to reframe the situation in a dishonest way to engage with it.

The game isn't "not going into bankruptcy", it is THRIVING AT UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS. That is a clear indicator.
We are more than a year out since GW announced female custodes, put out female custodes artwork and put out that one Warhammer+ animation with an unhelmed female custodes character and the franchise value has only multiplied and exploded. You just don't have your finger on the pulse the way youd like to think you do.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Sure people aren't jumping from rooftops and abandoning the hobby over it, but the idea that because GW isn't going into bankruptcy and there isn't mass boycotting that it's proof the general fanbase are fine with the changes isn't as logical as you seem to assume. People love the hobby so they'll willingly ignore the things they don't like, but that's not the same as acceptance or endorsement.

GW is like MTG where it has a revolving fanbase. There's very few old guard left, but there's always someone who played Total Warhammer ready to buy in and then quit in a year or two.

Completely unrelated. Does anyone have thoughts on Epic Warpath? It's Mantic's answer to epic/imperial legionalis. I've been interested in playing Epic simply because the models are smaller.

I've heard epic games in general are doing very well at the moment. There's a big push for epic stuff all over the place. WGA's fantasy, Warlords historicals, Mantics sci fi. Not sure Epic warpath is as big as the others but even old 2nd ed epic is getting revived.

I've seen people call John Blanche's Sister art fetish, because they just remember the cover for the 2nd ed Codex and ignore most illustrations in the codex are all normal.

Every classic fantasy artist was doing fetish shit. Browse their art catalog and you will see all of them did naked chicks or bdsm gear. The iconic art is clearly inspired by dominatrix art work. I have no problem with it, I own some of his art books. But there's no reason to design BDSM inspired a lot of fantasy media of the 80s and 90s.

 

[winderson_silva]

Complaints about Sisters are so weird because I got the 9-year-old 8th ed Codex here, and the sisters are all pretty realistic, they aren't super models, but they aren't all man-faced either. Again, I assume people just mistake the fanart they see on the internet with the real deal because there is no way they can say "Sisters are sexualized." Are they by the fandom? Yes, and? The fandom sexualizes Tyranids and Skaven as well.

But I guess unless they either look indistinguishable from men or wear Burkas it won't be enough.

 

[Cheb Dagness]

Youve had to reframe the situation in a dishonest way to engage with it.

The game isn't "not going into bankruptcy", it is THRIVING AT UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS. That is a clear indicator.
We are more than a year out since GW announced female custodes, put out female custodes artwork and put out that one Warhammer+ animation with an unhelmed female custodes character and the franchise value has only multiplied and exploded. You just don't have your finger on the pulse the way youd like to think you do.

I vomited in my mouth a little when I read this.

 

[SiggerNlayer]

Complaints about Sisters are so weird because I got the 9-year-old 8th ed Codex here, and the sisters are all pretty realistic, they aren't super models, but they aren't all man-faced either. Again, I assume people just mistake the fanart they see on the internet with the real deal because there is no way they can say "Sisters are sexualized." Are they by the fandom? Yes, and? The fandom sexualizes Tyranids and Skaven as well.

But I guess unless they either look indistinguishable from men or wear Burkas it won't be enough.

When the freakout over the new Sisters happened it was mostly driven by culture war slop kinda like right now.

To be fair to some people though, the GW studio is notoriously bad at painting faces and a couple of their studio sisters models were kinda ass looking and you wouldn't know how good the face actually looks unless you had the bare plastic in your hands.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Sure people aren't jumping from rooftops and abandoning the hobby over it, but the idea that because GW isn't going into bankruptcy and there isn't mass boycotting that it's proof the general fanbase are fine with the changes isn't as logical as you seem to assume. People love the hobby so they'll willingly ignore the things they don't like, but that's not the same as acceptance or endorsement.

There’s a reason it’s called plastic crack. We’re all hopelessly addicted.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I've heard epic games in general are doing very well at the moment. There's a big push for epic stuff all over the place. WGA's fantasy, Warlords historicals, Mantics sci fi. Not sure Epic warpath is as big as the others but even old 2nd ed epic is getting revived.

That's good to hear. I remember hearing about epic a lot back in the day.

I think the big push, and them doing very, is related to this concept of "coffee table games", which is where my interest in them started.

If you have limited space, you can play skirmish games, but it doesn't really scratch the itch for war games. You can play more game in a smaller area just by using smaller minis, and even use rules for those games by changing inchs to cm. And if you do get a big table, then you have entire armies going at it.

It also goes back to the bargain aspect. Epic games are cheaper per mini.

This is also why I love the idea of combat patrol and spearhead. It allows you to collect an army without the usual "This army is so cheap, you can get started for under £1000!". Going broad instead of deep. A £100 box (£80 if you have any sense) and you're done. There's more of course. No arguments over army building.

 

[YautjaWeeb]

I never understood that. This is not a realistic setting; it is space fantasy. Power armor will stop the user from dying from the energy transfer of .50 machine gun fire and even plasma shots. Are you really thinking "not, but if a single starving chaos cultist punches a sister in between the boob plate mid combat, it will shatter her sternum, and she will die instantly."?

Besides, the armor is fine, people sometimes just mistake the horny fanart they see with canon art, the armor is thicker than plate armor and made with sci-fi bullshit, you don't need to make their PA identical to Space Marines for the sake of "muh realism" and being a neo-puritan.

Tangent, but I find it funny people share these arts to show "this is how they should look like but GW is too sexist" because the guy that made them also draws rape porn.

The original art and canon where the Sororitas are busted up, built like rugby player, covered in scars, predictably eyeless and have their legs and torsos replaced is a great coomer challenge.

I sort of suspect the lady space marine/custodes pivot was partially because so much coomer fan art had been generated for Sororitas. Much of the fanbase thinks its just chesty blonde strippers with perfect faces and fleur-de-lis over their tit plates. So rather than rejuvinate them as angry hags you wouldn't want to give your number to, just retcon something untainted.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

"It always sells out!" while my local store has probably 200 warhammer box sets lining the wall. And GW have to mandate that places give a percentage of their store space over to GW and only GW or you can't stock it. What kind of a company has to force shops to give it a percentage of shelf space instead of deciding what to do themselves?

But it's all sold out. You can never get it. It's making record profits. And it's not just scalpers ordering the limited edition runs and whales buying up boxes they put in the closet until they sell them on ebay as "projects I'll never get round to".

Sometimes they underproduce, though I'm not sure if that is intentional or not.

At some size you are just very self sustaining as a property. Like you can try to play opr or warmachine or anything else but chances are your group will be flaky or not exist. Meanwhile with 40k if you wanna play edition 4 edition or old world or the og old world or epic or whatever there's like 50/50 odds that group already exists. You see the same thing with pretty much every media property.

But all those alt games wouldn't even exist if people caring about quality really was only some insignificant minority that only existed on yt.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

This is also why I love the idea of combat patrol and spearhead. It allows you to collect an army without the usual "This army is so cheap, you can get started for under £1000!". Going broad instead of deep. A £100 box (£80 if you have any sense) and you're done. There's more of course. No arguments over army building.

Pretty much why I stuck with Kill Team. You get squad level so more of your money and time can be put toward terrain and you can get a decent sized rotation of KTs cheaper than multiple armies.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

If you have limited space, you can play skirmish games, but it doesn't really scratch the itch for war games. You can play more game in a smaller area just by using smaller minis, and even use rules for those games by changing inchs to cm. And if you do get a big table, then you have entire armies going at it.

I like smaller games in general. Even on a 4x4 board I find my entire deployment being full kinda sucks. I want to be able to move around, to get flanks. Not push my stuff at your stuff and hope mine wins.

This is also why I love the idea of combat patrol and spearhead. It allows you to collect an army without the usual "This army is so cheap, you can get started for under £1000!". Going broad instead of deep. A £100 box (£80 if you have any sense) and you're done. There's more of course. No arguments over army building.

Oathmark and frostgrave have made so many games affordable when they weren't before. Get some magnets and your historical templars are now your mordheim gang, your OPR AOS knock off empire and your kingdoms of men in Kings of war.

The plastic crack podcast were talking about the rise of Epic stuff. Warlords struggling to keep it in stock from what I hear. I've seen WGA's epic undead on the shelves and I know more fantasy is coming. It all grew out of 3d printing as well. One dude started doing warmaster replacement wood elves then brets and kept going. Suddenly everyone was on board and started to copy then companies followed.

Should take this to tabletop general because the 40k faggots get space marine withdrawl and start whining at us.

 

[HONKHONKTIME]

so im new to this thread, so uh, angry marines. where does everyone stand?

 

[Anus Potatus]

so im new to this thread, so uh, angry marines. where does everyone stand?

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Who would win,
Angry Marines or Psycho Warriors?

 

[Lady Adjani]

Does Space Marine 2 get any better? Currently 5 hours in and it's really dull, feels like a step back from the first game. If I paid anywhere near full price for this disappointment I'd be pissed.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

The game isn't "not going into bankruptcy", it is THRIVING AT UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS. That is a clear indicator.
We are more than a year out since GW announced female custodes, put out female custodes artwork and put out that one Warhammer+ animation with an unhelmed female custodes character and the franchise value has only multiplied and exploded.

The earth-shattering, orgasm-inducing, record-breaking "multiplication" of profits you keep soying out about was a ~25% increase, which is exactly in-line with the years before the retcon like 2022 which saw a 27% increase.

My entire point was that using blanket profitability as a gage on how the fanbase feels about ONE RETCON to ONE FACTION is retarded and not a useful metric, namely because there's a million other things to buy and talk about in the hobby and most people simply don't drop an entire series even when they don't like one specific lore change, as is evidenced by my direct first hand experience with people who think it's a retarded change but still play the game and buy kits, thus giving sheckles to GW.

There's literally nothing to suggest that this profit spike has anything to do with femstodes outside of it simply happening in the same year. Using that as a "clear indicator" when there's zero provable correlation is nonsensical.

You keep trying to appeal to this nebulous majority of the 99% as the basis of your argument but fail to actually prove that they think what you say they do. You just vaguely gesture at "line go up" and draw wild conclusions from that, naturally including yourself in the enlightened and totally correct group without bothering to show that's the case.

Fucks sake by that logic I must secretly like the retcon too, given I still paint and talk to people at my local geek den and don't sperg out about it on social media.

You just don't have your finger on the pulse the way youd like to think you do.

Smug retorts like this only work after you make an actual point, retard.

Do everyone in this hobby a favor and print a gun to put in your mouth instead.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Does Space Marine 2 get any better? Currently 5 hours in and it's really dull, feels like a step back from the first game. If I paid anywhere near full price for this disappointment I'd be pissed.

I liked 1 more, ngl.

It was also really easy to mod, I remember making my own custom skins for Titus by painting over the textures and swapping around his parts with the multiplayer models.

 

[SiggerNlayer]

There's literally nothing to suggest that this profit spike has anything to do with femstodes outside of it simply happening in the same year. Using that as a "clear indicator" when there's zero provable correlation is nonsensical.

Hey retard, if you had reading comprehension you could understand my statement isn't that the femstodes are the cause of the success, its that NO ONE CARES AND IT HAS NO IMPACT. Anyways thanks for posting the incredibly impressive growth statistics I think you might be a bit dim so you don't understand how percentage increases work but I do appreciate you illustrating my point for me.

Does Space Marine 2 get any better? Currently 5 hours in and it's really dull, feels like a step back from the first game. If I paid anywhere near full price for this disappointment I'd be pissed.

Honestly no, if you didn't enjoy the gameplay loop of the first level you won't like the game very much. The multiplayer is mildly better but it isn't the full package that SM1 delivered.

 

[winderson_silva]

The original art and canon where the Sororitas are busted up, built like rugby player, covered in scars, predictably eyeless and have their legs and torsos replaced is a great coomer challenge.

Honestly, I think the 8th ed art is cool, specially those by Lewis Jones. They are clearly feminine, but still women that you can see are insane zealots whose body are ravaged by war.

Meanwhile, the art of the secondary protagonist for Boltgun II looks like a fanart of Konrad Curze.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

The Corsairs look good, both the Eldar and Red varieties.