Warhammer 40k

So with 11th around the corner I was curious if y'all have been painting anything specifically to get ready for the new rules?
Still working through ~3k points of EC. No demons besides a heldrake and maulerfiend (might even get a second) so I'm safe from most changes. Im hoping for new chaos bikes that get added and maybe sonic dreads but honestly i have enough points to paint this year.

I know I should get 2 of the crabs eventually but no rush to panic buy.
 
I guess? Like I dont see much of a reason to have a battlewagon. Usually it was when you had Ghaz on the table, but now you can attach him to a unit of 20 boyz with a weirdboi and just bamf around the battlefield.
The brigade list? Battle wagons just being able to carry more boys will get more mileage out of a single stratagem than a trukk would. You basically get out of activation charges on your opponents turn with one of the stratagems and another makes them harder to kill with shooting. If wanting to ram orks down people's throats ASAP the B-wagon loaded up with some mega nobz seems to be the move.
 
I guess? Like I dont see much of a reason to have a battlewagon. Usually it was when you had Ghaz on the table, but now you can attach him to a unit of 20 boyz with a weirdboi and just bamf around the battlefield.
So you can run 2 units of tankbustas+SAG Meks in it and proc blast to turn 10d3 shots into 10d3+40 shots against 20 man squads. It's very silly.
 
TBF Catachans are all 80s and 90s action hero stereotypes, and these include blacks and the odd woman, so it fits for Catachans. What I don't get is why no-one tried making a SM Chapter from these badasses.
by the time you take a child, brainwash them, pump them full of Gene Seed, and rapidly grow them into 9 foot tall demigods of war you're kind of past where even the best Catachan would be. The catachan space marine would also adopt his culture from the chapter he's been inducted in to, leaving him catachan in name only. Now, a Rambo-esque Space Marine chapter would be sick as fuck, and eminently possible if you kitbash some muscly arms from Khorne Berzerkers or get some 3d printed bits.

Id also like to say that space marines dont recruit from major Guard worlds like Catachan, Kriegers, Cadians, but I cant remember if thats canon or shit niggas made up.
 
Id also like to say that space marines dont recruit from major Guard worlds like Catachan, Kriegers, Cadians, but I cant remember if thats canon or shit niggas made up.
It's true, they dont. Mostly because worlds like Krieg, Catachan, Cadia etc are clearly serving a very specific purpose and are already "claimed" by the Imperial Guard anyway. Maybe in times of dire need a chapter operating near these worlds might consider it.

Ghoul Stars would make a great spot for some homebrewing.
 
Mildly offtopic but didnt they square away some pretty deep and fun-ish homebrew character rules for 10th in some WD issues nobody bought?
It was in the titus 500 worlds crap(I posted the zip previously) and honestly wasn't very interesting. Basically it was 3 templates per faction each getting a handful of choices that just kind of made them all sidegrades at best to existing characters(rather than actually generating anything unique or interesting). I've never seen it in use after the initial chatter about it.

The problem is, because it was paywalled behind a $75 book set, like usual most people will never bother with it since the rest of the stuff in those books aren't necessarily things people would give a shit about. But this has always been the problem with their narrative books. Arks of omen, same thing. Psychic awakening again same thing.

edit: Here it is if you were looking for it https://kiwifarms.st/threads/warhammer-40k.2482/page-1423#post-23703075
 
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by the time you take a child, brainwash them, pump them full of Gene Seed, and rapidly grow them into 9 foot tall demigods of war you're kind of past where even the best Catachan would be. The catachan space marine would also adopt his culture from the chapter he's been inducted in to, leaving him catachan in name only. Now, a Rambo-esque Space Marine chapter would be sick as fuck, and eminently possible if you kitbash some muscly arms from Khorne Berzerkers or get some 3d printed bits.

Id also like to say that space marines dont recruit from major Guard worlds like Catachan, Kriegers, Cadians, but I cant remember if thats canon or shit niggas made up.
If youve ever played stellaris (which has 40k mods but doesnt really need them) the Imperium leans heavily into the specialisation of each world. Which is fine when youre playing a game where hyperlanes exist and Genestealers/Tyranids dont. But this is 40k. They would rather import food through the warp from an Agri World to a Forge World that would starve to death if there was a hiccup. Im pretty sure ive read stories about Terra rioting because of similar issues.

So if a world gives you Catachans or Krieg, they will specialise that world HARD even if its a delicate balance to maintain.
 
Saw this starting to float around. If it's legit that means more of the WTC canceraids going away, as they're the worst offenders for shit terrain, companies producing shit terrain, and braindead people using their shit terrain.
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The 11e melee rules we've seen already also mean the WTC 12 page(yes, that many fucking pages) of cancerous errata nonsense for charge rules are also gone.
 
It's true, they dont. Mostly because worlds like Krieg, Catachan, Cadia etc are clearly serving a very specific purpose and are already "claimed" by the Imperial Guard anyway. Maybe in times of dire need a chapter operating near these worlds might consider it.

Ghoul Stars would make a great spot for some homebrewing.
I get the impression that Krieg, Cadia, Catachan, and so many others are more well known in our universe than in their own. The number of guard regiments cant be counted and there are countless death worlds out there. There are a million places like Catachan with their own regiments.

Information also moves at a glacial pace, if at all. Even space marines aren't all that well informed, a chapters own history can be vague if not a total mystery.

If for some reason a space marine chapter wanted to recruit specifically from a death world what would their odds be of actually picking Catachan? Probably near zero.
 
I get the impression that Krieg, Cadia, Catachan, and so many others are more well known in our universe than in their own. The number of guard regiments cant be counted and there are countless death worlds out there. There are a million places like Catachan with their own regiments.

Information also moves at a glacial pace, if at all. Even space marines aren't all that well informed, a chapters own history can be vague if not a total mystery.

If for some reason a space marine chapter wanted to recruit specifically from a death world what would their odds be of actually picking Catachan? Probably near zero.
The Imperium definitely likes to push your Krieg/Cadia/Catachans as propaganda alot, which may explain why they're so regarded well (beyond the simplicity of having a few archetypal guard factions for tabletop) and are widely known within the Imperium. I don't necessarily think that it's because space marines aren't aware of the death worlders, rather it's more an issue of logistics and culture. Of course, in the lore, there are way more worlds that could be full of good potential than the big three.

Logistics aren't impossible, but they'd be taking a chunk of the best young men from these planets and putting them through a training process that would leave alot of them dead. That's alot of valuable resources from some of the best military worlds in the Imperium, with the additional risk/process of transporting them through the warp for training. With a chapter on their homeworld, SM chapters can instead recruit and train there directly, even if the pool of applicants isn't as apt, they can draw from effectively the whole world rather than a partial sum of bodies from another.

So many chapters get wrapped up in culture and honor that I doubt they'd want to do it from that perspective as well. I doubt it'd be easy for a Kriegsman to fit in with Ultramarines, for example. Chapters like White Scars or Space Wolves are so heavily inspired by their homeworld's culture that they likely value recruits that know it as a baseline rather than adopting it. Black Templars would probably find some reason to get offended by the idea and screech about honor and the emperor and you're totally disrespecting us because everything we do is correct even though it's retarded and ends up in most of us dying all the time.

I bet Iron Hands would, if the applicant fit the bill. It doesn't matter what world your body is from when it will be remade with the strength of steel.
 
The Imperium definitely likes to push your Krieg/Cadia/Catachans as propaganda alot
I don't even think that's necessarily true. Chaos gods/demons/traitors are a forbidden knowledge. I believe there is evidence in the lore of heavy handed suppression of that stuff, but I cant think of any examples off the top of my head.

While they might see a Cadian Gaurdsmen on a poster I doubt they know who they really are and what they are actually fighting. I don't think they have the same legendary status.

That whole 'the planet broke before the guard did' narrative isn't even special, its just cheesy bullshit. Fighting through and past the destruction of a home planet is the story for a lot of regiments. Tallarn and Krieg are just two examples.

The Tallarn solo'd an entire legion of Iron warriors during the heresy, after their planet was hit by a surprise attack virus bombed. Meanwhile Cadia was a planet covered in fortresses, gun emplacements, mine fields, orbital defenses, Naval blockades, while receiving endless support from Titan legions, space marine chapters, and endless amounts of regiments. Reinforcements were a guarantee.

They still lost.

I think them being poster boys in universe is more of a popular fan made invention that's recently been passed into lore by black library novels. "other space marines look to the ultramarines as their ideal" type of shit.
 
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I don't even think that's necessarily true. Chaos gods/demons/traitors are a forbidden knowledge. I believe there is evidence in the lore of heavy handed suppression of that stuff, but I cant think of any examples off the top of my head.
Basically anything involving Grey Knights or inquisition and mind wiping or granting a population of a planet the emperor's mercy. The Space Wolves had a bit of a spat with them over this.

While they might see a Cadian Gaurdsmen on a poster I doubt they know who they really are and what they are actually fighting. I don't think they have the same legendary status.
Random citizens, no. Anyone involved in the imperium military considering Cadia was the Cadian gate and that basically most of their planetary population was their tithe, yes. While random guardsmen may not know about Krieg or Catachan, officers and other leadership positions within imperial forces likely could have at least heard stories(some even interacting with Catachans since they occasionally get assigned as specialist consultants to other guard units. Additionally, because of Cadia's proximity to the eye of terror Cadians stand out within the imperial population even out of uniform due to having distinctly purple eyes(the original population of Cadia was a bunch of daemon worshippers, but the colonists or "modern" Cadians got the eye color within a few generations) this comes up in Ashes of Cadia(shitty book) and I believe Fifteen Hours, and gets mentioned off-hand in some others. Additionally, only Cadia prime was destroyed, there were other planets in the system and even Cadia prime itself still has bits that exist that they even have Cadians going on pilgrimages to(and this is ignoring the Cadia 2.0 bullshit from Ashes of Cadia because it's dumb).

That whole 'the planet broke before the guard did' narrative isn't even special, its just cheesy bullshit. Fighting through and past the destruction of a home planet is the story for a lot of regiments. Tallarn and Krieg are just two examples.
Krieg fucked up their own planet out of retardation in a civil war and currently tithes the way they do out of embarrassment/atonement. Tallarn you'd be right, but again the problem is the number of Cadians out there, and the Cadian gate being of strategic importance for so long. Even if the existence of daemons wasn't widespread knowledge, traitor forces raiding from the Eye of Terror was.

But at this point in the timeline, suppressing the existence of daemons and even some xenos has kind of gone out the window at least within the imperial forces.

But yeah, GW has spent years leaning hard into Cadians being special snowflakes, while model-wise they're just as generic as possible.
 
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Random citizens, no. Anyone involved in the imperium military considering Cadia was the Cadian gate and that basically most of their planetary population was their tithe, yes.
I think the idea of its just Random citizens applies to the majority of the imperium's military. Unless you are working in that area of operation directly, you are probably clueless as to what is happening. If your working adjacent to it you probably have some idea "oh those guys with the purple eyes are fighting monsters and other heretics.".

There is definitely no way Cadia and her people aren't fully aware of the situation after fighting it for the last 10,000 years.

Though I don't think 99.99999% of humanity is even aware of the stakes or the sacrifices being made every day, in places like Cadia, to have kept it going for so long. It's all business as usual. I think thats part of the horror of the setting. Endless slaughter going on and people are still clocking in at the factory so they can head home, eat slop, and fall asleep in their little box they call a hab unit.

Most information even in our own modern militaries are told on a need to know basis. Like We might know about Iran, but we don't actually know what the fuck is happening, some General state side might have a better picture, he might be able to access information that could inform him of the situation, but he has other shit he's focused on. They have their own campaigns are of more importance.

Citizens arent free to move about, the entire universe operates on a feudal system at a macro level. The vast majority of people will never step aboard a space craft and those that do will never step off it. Word of mouth does not travel far.

Literacy is usually low to moderate, the transfer knowledge only serves to increase production. "ignorance is strength" or how ever it goes. The people are in the dark about nearly everything.

I imagine that what's happening on Cadia is probably more believable than the rumors the average citizen hears.


Krieg fucked up their own planet out of retardation in a civil war and currently tithes the way they do out of embarrassment/atonemen
The thing about propaganda is that it's a lie. One man's retardation could be a propagandist's story of self sacrifice and heroism.


But at this point in the timeline, suppressing the existence of daemons and even some xenos has kind of gone out the window at least within the imperial forces.
Modern 40k is a tragedy.
 
I think the idea of its just Random citizens applies to the majority of the imperium's military. Unless you are working in that area of operation directly, you are probably clueless as to what is happening. If your working adjacent to it you probably have some idea "oh those guys with the purple eyes are fighting monsters and other heretics.".
Yes and no. You also need to consider than the imperium uses muster worlds where regiments from all sorts of planets... muster(that's kind of self explanatory) as well as the imperial navy who has to cart the guardsmen around. No, I'm not going to count imperial military forces as being the equivalent of random civilians. The reason for this would be that generally xenos knowledge other than "alien bad" barely exists, however the Infantryman's Uplifting Primer definitely covers how to fight xenos and every guardsman has one(or should). On top of the navy, even civilian transport services(bulk freight haulers and such) have been used to move guardsmen around, and of course aid the Munitorum in logistics(food and such, not actual arms) when necessary, which again exposes more people to information. And this is all of course ignoring the mechanicus who are kind of isolated by way of not speaking gothic regularly, but also have members definitely aware that daemons and other warp fuckery exists.

There is definitely no way Cadia and her people aren't fully aware of the situation after fighting it for the last 10,000 years.
The modern Cadians would have only been fighting for a few thousand due to that purge of the original population bit(it's where Lorgar killed some custodes and maybe made some gal vorbak?)

Citizens arent free to move about, the entire universe operates on a feudal system at a macro level. The vast majority of people will never step aboard a space craft and those that do will never step off it. Word of mouth does not travel far.
They actually mostly are, and some do all the time. See the previously mentioned guard units, muster worlds, and imperial navy. The difficulty is being able to afford it, but generally speaking there's nothing stopping civilians from finding a way to travel from one imperial world to another. Some planets have visa systems even for workers.

The thing about propaganda is that it's a lie. One man's retardation could be a propagandist's story of self sacrifice and heroism.
Sure, if you want to pull the unreliable narrator bit with Krieg, except that's never even hinted at as being propaganda. But the problem is that wouldn't make sense even within 40k because it would be making up a lie about a rebellion... which the imperium wouldn't have a reason to do(why would the imperium include a public history of open revolt as a source of pride in anything?), not to mention Krieg became a deathworld by nuking themselves during their civil war.

Modern 40k is a tragedy.
Sure, but at this point most of this stuff if 15-20 years old but even then you've still got multiple loyalist space marine chapters basically in a cold war with the inquisition, which keeps the reach of the inquisition limited in ways(and of course not all of the ordos even give a shit if someone knows about daemons, it's just most likely that a witness wouldn't survive whatever happened to begin with). Then consider shit like flects specifically causing warp related issues among the civilian population leading PDFs, arbites, and so on to have to deal with it as well. The point being, that the imperium is such a mess, it can't keep up with the "lets just mind wipe or kill everyone" approach due to internal conflict and lack of resources, especially with the Eye of Terror having blown up into the Cicatrix Maledictum cutting off half of the imperium from Terra leaving xenos, traitors, and daemons with them running amok.
 
The only interesting thing about Cadians are Kasrkin but Kasrkin are just Tempestus storm troopers but special because they’re Cadian. Other than that I feel like Cadia is boringly generic which you wouldn’t think is the case because “everyone born here is a soldier” sounds cool, but GW and BL books go over the top with them. Even though Cadia was destroyed there’s still Cadia right now running anround and tons of Cadian soldiers are still. I could swear they even returned to Cadia itself because despite being destroyed there’s still pockets of Cadia that are inhabited.

Sorry for the rant about Cadia.
 
The only interesting thing about Cadians are Kasrkin but Kasrkin are just Tempestus storm troopers but special because they’re Cadian. Other than that I feel like Cadia is boringly generic which you wouldn’t think is the case because “everyone born here is a soldier” sounds cool, but GW and BL books go over the top with them. Even though Cadia was destroyed there’s still Cadia right now running anround and tons of Cadian soldiers are still. I could swear they even returned to Cadia itself because despite being destroyed there’s still pockets of Cadia that are inhabited.
They did in Ashes of Cadia... pockets of Cadians just hanging out there for years, on chunks of planet that still somehow have an atmosphere, in bunkers with power that managed to go undetected by deathguard... damn that book sucks.

And yeah, they're generic as fuck. The reason they get the snowflake treatment is probably that original 13th black crusade shit that GW sat on for ages before deciding what to do with it narratively from 2004 or whatever it was.
 
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