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There we are. The whole unit is done.
Its also cool that Grimaldus is unironically a really fucking good chaplain datasheet
 
Love_Machine011 said:
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There we are. The whole unit is done.
Its also cool that Grimaldus is unironically a really fucking good chaplain datasheet
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Looking good. I'm a fan of Grimaldus too but the dumb Assassinate rules have cost me before so I sometimes just use a Biker Chaplain with Tannhausers Bones in his place.

If they made his nameless servitors not count as characters he'd be the best unit in BTemplars for sure.
 
BrainProlapse said:
Looking good. I'm a fan of Grimaldus too but the dumb Assassinate rules have cost me before so I sometimes just use a Biker Chaplain with Tannhausers Bones in his place.

If they made his nameless servitors not count as characters he'd be the best unit in BTemplars for sure.
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I mean if grimaldus is taking shots at all you're kinda having bigger problems. Your supposed to have grimaldus next to like... a crusader squad (or something even more threatening) at all times.
 
Well do I have something to share. Sargon has written up an essay on his Lotus Eaters website in which he, like his political opponents, fails to understand the story of Warhammer 40k.

He got upset at the statements GW has made in the past about inclusivity and their stance against hate groups, but somehow perceived it as GW condemning the Imperium of Man and supporting the Chaos Gods.

He argues that the Chaos Gods represent progressivism.
What the Chaos powers represent, fundamentally, are ideological positions. To describe the four briefly, let’s just say Khorne is a religion of peace and worships mostly peaceful violence for violence’s sake, Nurgle is healthy at any size and worships the spread of disease, Slaanesh is pro-LGBT and worships sexual excess, and Tzeentch has an ominous interest in education and connives to warp the minds of men. Each Chaos faction is built on the drive towards a revolutionary future in which the Imperium is torn down, its virtues abandoned, purity defiled, to be replaced with the worship of vice to the detriment of humanity. Hence, they all require the overthrow of the existing order of civilisation; it is in this way they are innately ‘progressive’.
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He claims that the condemnation of the Imperium as "the very worst of humanity's lust for power and extreme, unyielding xenophobia" is because the Imperium is not progressive (even though he should know that xenophobia is fear of the foreigner, not literal aliens).
Why should Games Workshop feel the need to attempt to disabuse its player base of any love they might have had for the Imperium of Man? It is clearly because the current social climate is overwhelmingly left-wing, and the Imperium is a fictional bastion of right-wing values. It has therefore found itself in a moral argument with our modern woke progressives, and Games Workshop decided that they would pick the side that currently commanded the majority of social capital. Put simply, Games Workshop is disavowing the Imperium of Man because it is racist towards aliens.
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Then there is this bizarre claim that criticizing the Imperium means siding with Chaos.
It seems reasonable for us, as human beings, to adopt the perspective of a human being. From this view, the forces of Chaos are not morally equal or superior to the Imperium. In fact, it is the dangers to human life posed by the aliens that causes the Imperium to be so illiberal in the first place, and yet, it is only the Imperium that Games Workshop has charged with a moral wrong. They may not endorse a militant space theocracy, but do they endorse the violent prozetylisation of Khorne? Do they endorse the plague-spreading joy of Nurgle? Do they endorse calls to pervert the innocent from Slaanesh? Do they endorse the institutionalised deception of Tzeentch? Are they in favour of any of the alien factions and their desire to eradicate mankind entirely?

Their silence implies that, in fact, yes, they do support the progressive powers of Chaos, and this view is given all the more weight since their criticism of the Imperium of Man comes as if from the Chaos powers themselves. This is the product of the personal being political and the ascension of progressive morality rising up to challenge every space, even ones specifically designed to be right wing. However, in the context of the Warhammer 40,000 universe, there is nothing undesirable about being right wing. In fact, it is absolutely necessary for mankind’s survival.
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Sargon then concludes by saying that the Imperium did nothing wrong, and that an exterminatus condemning billions to death is just the same as dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagaski, killing a few to save the many.
The question of scale is at the heart of the Allied bombing. All wars incur civilian casualties, and the issue is whether the number of them incurred justifies the military action from a moral perspective. To destroy 200,000 to save millions seems, in these circumstances, like a rational calculus, and it appears to be irresponsible to take the alternative course in which millions of people die in the fields, trenches, towns and cities of Japan, instead.

The brutal acts of the Imperium of Man involve much the same calculation, but the numbers are scaled up by a massive degree. Instead of millions of people in one country, we are discussing billions of people on an entire planet, in a galaxy that contains trillions of human souls. However, the calculus is still the same: to ensure victory over the force with which we are at war, Machiavellian decisions must be made. If the Imperium has detected an alien infestation, or a planet is taken over by Chaos forces, it may be that the only option to stop such an outbreak is the mass scouring of that planet. As each occurrence is an existential threat in the total war that is the Warhammer 40,000 universe, it is not a unique and unforgivable moral crime of the Imperium that extreme measures be taken to prevent greater loss of life. After all, this is what we, in our liberal democracies, do ourselves. As I said before, the only question really is one of scale.

In summary, the Imperium of Man are the good guys in Warhammer 40,000, from the perspective of a human living within that universe. There is no reason for us to disavow the Imperium, be antipathetical towards it on a moral level, and it doesn’t deserve singling-out from the other races of the 40k universe for condemnation. It is the grim darkness of the 41st millennium that we are discussing, this universe’s entire appeal lies in the fact that it isn’t fair, tolerant or progressive.
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What Sargon doesn't seem to understand is that in 40k, humanity is fucked. The Imperium is run by factions of zealots and madmen that are more than happy to spend billions of lives in petty pursuits of power. It was set up by someone who thought that by virtue of his lifespan and power, he had the right to larp as Leto II and direct the destiny of mankind although without reading the rest of God Emperor of Dune. And so now humanity is left at the mercy of a stagnating empire to hold back the nightmares that inhabit the galaxy.

The Imperium of Man are not the good guys. They are the protagonists of the setting by virtue of being the human faction but that is because they forced their rule on humanity. Even if the Imperium survives and defeats their enemies, they will inevitably destroy themselves through internal wars. Humanity is going to die, and it will be through long years of suffering. The only thing admirable about the Imperium is that in the face of its inevitable destruction, it says "Fuck it!" and rams a chainsword at the encroaching darkness.
 
At this point if someone gives you an opinion on 40k and they don't have an army. You should just disregard the opinion.
 
Is this what happens when you listen to everything Arch has to say about Warhammer 40k or just when you are so obsessed with politics your world view is this fucked.
 
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