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I'll ask here becuase I figure yall would know. Ages ago I saw a ww1 homebrew rulebook for Only War. None of you would know where to find that would you? I remember it had rules for German, Austrian, and Russian armies and was based on the war of maneuver in the east as opposed to the trench hell of the west.
No idea I'm afraid.

It's kinda accidentally on-topic however as there's rumors (that I think were eventually confirmed) that WH40K 3rd edition, (which basically remained as the base for the game until atleast 7th ed, though ever more bloated), was originally a WW1 ruleset made by Rich Priestley which he quickly reskinned last minute into WH40K after orders from higher up to streamline and simplify the game compared to 2nd ed.
 
GW broke me, first the whole End Times and AoS stuff and now what's going on with 40k, i just don't see what's the point in caring about Warhammer anymore
 
GW broke me, first the whole End Times and AoS stuff and now what's going on with 40k, i just don't see what's the point in caring about Warhammer anymore
Oh I just do what I did with Star Wars EU: blindly ignore it and refuse to gib money since they clearly are bad at managing their own IPs.
 
Oh I just do what I did with Star Wars EU: blindly ignore it and refuse to gib money since they clearly are bad at managing their own IPs.
Good idea but there's the problems i'd like to get a bunch of Warhammer Fantasy and 40k novels but how do i do that without giving them money?
 
Good idea but there's the problems i'd like to get a bunch of Warhammer Fantasy and 40k novels but how do i do that without giving them money?
If you mean the newer ones, you probably don't want those given it's rife with the stuff you hate anyway.

If you insist, do it the Sartosan way; you'll figure it out.
 
If you mean the newer ones, you probably don't want those given it's rife with the stuff you hate anyway.

If you insist, do it the Sartosan way; you'll figure it out.
No i meant the older ones and Rise of Nagash
 
No i meant the older ones and Rise of Nagash
Similar Sartosan method really, so long as you have the name. You may or may not also find it in audio book format on YT too. Wouldn't know though, since I'm more of a Fantasy Flight splats guy myself.
 
Has anyone used Castrol Super Clean to remove paint? My Genestealer Cultists look like damp garbage and I wanna do over.
 
Has anyone used Castrol Super Clean to remove paint? My Genestealer Cultists look like damp garbage and I wanna do over.
Just use Dettol disinfectant. Seriously. Plain old brown Dettol. It'll strip the paint in about an hour, you rub the paint off with a toothbrush lubricated with washing up liquid and your minis will be like new. DO NOT rinse them with water until ALL the paint is off or the remaining paint turns to tar. I like to wash mine in Isopropyl Alcohol afterwards. It's a gentle method and doesn't damage plastic, resin or metal.
 
I still have yet to finish putting them together... I've been gun shy since i impaled my hand on a foetid bloat drone... Fuckers are spiky
 
I'm not impressed given that it takes minimal effort to reopen or make the mould lines. I'm just impressed it took them two editions before they remembered they Unsquatted the Squats for this money run.

I see it for what it is; a cynical cash grab to snatch dosh from both types of nostalgia fags (those who did play Rogue Trader and those who never did). Though honestly yeah, they really should've just made them an Abhuman support unit like they should've when they had trouble with making their army list the first time.

Ah well, Spess Dorfs exist again. Damn shame their kin went through the apocalypse and are still stuck in a far worse game than pre-apocalypse. And that their name was renamed just for copyright reasoning.
 
I wonder if this is only the beginning of a new age of Dwarves in 40k. I wouldn't mind seeing them as abhuman auxiliaries to the Guard if they aren't a full race.

I thought the reason why we don't get new squats is because they were owned by another person?
 
I thought the reason why we don't get new squats is because they were owned by another person?
Nope; GeeDubz could not figure out how to make their army list work after writing a few splats worth of it during the 2E days. They were torn between a biker theme, making them Dorfs in space, and other ideas that they just could not feel comfy with releasing them. It did not help that all of the creatives behind their 1E stuff were out by then, since the new writers did not have the passion for them. So they made their Tyranids (which fun fact were supposed to be lead by Malal before they lost those fucking rights) eat them to duck out of finishing the army list.

I know I shouldn't get drawn on this... but... can't... resist

Seriously, a couple of points just so you can have an informed debate based on the real reasons that Squats are no longer available. Be warned, it is going to be hard reading for people that like the Squat background.

First of all, Squats were *not* dropped because they were not selling well. There were then, and are now, plenty of other figure ranges that sell in the sort of % quantities that the Squats pulled down, especially when you look across all of the ranges produced by GW rather than just those for 40K.

No, the reason that the Squats were dropped was because the creatives in the Studio (people like me, Rick, Andy C, Gav etc) felt that we had failed to do the Dwarf 'archetype' justice in its 40K incarnation. From the name of the race (Squats - what *were* we thinking?!?!) through to the short bikers motif, we had managed to turn what was a proud and noble race in Warhammer and the other literary forms where the archetype exists, into a joke race in 40K. We only fully realized what we had done when we were working on the 2nd edition of 40K. Try as we might, we just couldn't work up much enthusiasm for the Squats. The mistake we made then (deeply regretted since) was to leave them in the background and the 'get you by' army list book that appeared. With hindsight, we should have dropped the Squats back then, and saved ourselves a lot of grief later on.

Anyway, the Squats made it into 2nd edition, and since we were doing army books for each of the races, we started to try and figure out what to do with them. Unfortunately we just couldn't figure out a way to update them and get them to work that we felt was good enough. The 'art' of working on an army as a designer is to find the thing that you think is cool and exciting about an army, and work it up into a strong theme. This 'muse' didn't strike any of us, and so, rather than bring out a second-rate product simply re-hashing the old background, we kept doing other army books instead, with stuff we did feel inspired by.

Now, while this was all going on for 40K, we were actually doing some rather good stuff for the Squats in Epic. On this scale there was a natural tendency to focus on the big 'hand-made' war machines the Squat artisans produced, and this created an army with a feel that was very different to the biker hordes in 40K. However, this tended to reinforce the problems we saw in the Squat background rather than alleviate them, underlining what we *should* have done with the Squats in 40K.

In the end (and it took years to really get to the roots of the problem) this led to a realisation that we were going to have to drop the Squats in their 'Squat' form from the 40K background. There was little point having a major race that we weren't willing to make an army book for, and their inclusion in the background meant that people kept asking us when we'd do a Squat Codex. Instead we decided that we'd write the Squats out of the background by saying that their Homeworlds had been devoured by a Tyranid Hivefleet. This would give us the option in the future to return to making a race based on the Squat archetype for 40K. This race was given the name of Demiurg, and a certain amount of preliminary work was done to get a 'feel' for what the race would be like. At present the only hint of the Demiurg in 40K is the Demiurg spaceship for BFG. However, we do have this race 'in our back pocket' as a possible new race for 40K, or an interesting character model in Inquisitor, or whatever. So far the Demiurg have lost out to other projects, and it may be that their time never actually comes, as they will have to win through on their merits, not simply because we once made some Squat models in the past. At present, I have to say that it is more likely that they *don't* make the cut than do, as there is a certain prejudice these days to simply taking races from Warhammer and cross them over to 40K like we did in the early days, so it may be that the Squats/Demiurg end up remaining a footnote in the history of the 40K galaxy. Only time will tell...

I'll finish off by saying that whatever we decide to do 'officially', there is nothing stopping players with Squat armies from using them, either in Epic or 40k for that matter. There is no GW 'rule' against using old Citadel Miniatures, as long as you use them with existing army lists and in a way that won't cause confusion for other players. I recommend taking a positive stand by saying "Have you seen these cool old models? They're called the Squats and GW used to make them back in the late eighties/early nineties. I love 'em, so I count them as Imperial Guard and use them with the current rules..." Put like this I can't imagine that anyone would stop you from using your army.

Best regards,

Jervis Johnson
Head Fanatic
 
I wonder if this is only the beginning of a new age of Dwarves in 40k. I wouldn't mind seeing them as abhuman auxiliaries to the Guard if they aren't a full race.

A safe bet for GW would be to simply bring back some of the most beloved Squat vehicles from Epic. Maybe just give them to Forge World, like they did with the Legion of Azgorh.
 
GW broke me, first the whole End Times and AoS stuff and now what's going on with 40k, i just don't see what's the point in caring about Warhammer anymore
AoS is pure crap and 40K is pretty much beyond the point of caring about for sure. (Although to be fair, it does seem like 8th ed is quite a decent ruleset).

I've abandoned it all except HorusHeresy/30K. It still has some of the feeling of the Warhammer I knew and loved.

They do seem to crank out some lovely models at least (Genestealer Cult, Necromunda gangs) in between their overpriced overblinged bobblehead models (Custodes etc.). So there's still stuff worth giving them money for.
 
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