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So i found out that GW raised their prices(Late i know) because they just cant stop being greedy.
That's half of it, the other half is sadly that the consumers keep buying even if they raise the prices.
I can't fault them really if I was running a business and I had a consumer base that just willing to pay more I'd charge more as well
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More like 4 digits for actual normal play.
And thanks to the churn of new models and rules it's not even a once off price if you're into competitive play!

3d printing related channel under the sun produced content about printing minis or terrain within the week.
3D printing can produce some really amazing models, I'd argue if you put the money, time and effort into it you can get GW quality even.
The problem is of course the big upfront price of the 3d printer (low end is better but lets face it if you're into plastic minis you'd probably want to go for best quality) and then the time and effort requires to actualaly familiarise yourself with the art of 3D printing to actually get the quality out of it.
Basically 3D printing becomes a hobby in and of itself.
So for a lot of people who just want minis it's not convincing enough. If we ever get to the point where it's 3D printing is as simple as a buy the print, plug it in and immediately get high quality prints then GW is screwed (basically a Star Trek replicator). But until then people will likely still just pay the premium and buy from GW.

claiming that GW's stock price is falling because of the Femstodes thing or because of Amazon. This really showed how flimsy the grifter right really is when it comes to evidence.
Measuring the success of a company by it's stock price... eh.
it's complicated of course and ties into a lot of things but at the end of the day a company needs to turn a profit to continue (more or less, I guess you can run a loss or get external funding but that's more a lifeline to keep a company going until they start turning a profit).
A company doesn't need high stock prices to continue doing business. Sure stock holders might be unhappy with tanking stocks and stock holders do have influence on the direction of a company, but at the end of the day if a business makes enough money to keep the lights on then stocks prices don't really mean that much.

GW is making a profit, temporary or long term stock prices just reflect peoples speculations and isn't a reflection of how well the company is actually doing.

Bent the knee? My dear boy, they've been on the side of the woke since the start.
Technically true, but I'd argue that 80s and 90s woke is a bit different than 2020s woke.
Sadly we're just in another transition period for the franchise. It started out as a tongue in cheek IP with a couple of digs at right wing politics and political figures, then it became "edge heavy metal cover" IP basically the grimdark era, and now it's transitioning into a more mainstream IP and attempting to appeal to modern political norms and ideas. The problem is that we find ourselves in the time where everything is political and everything is used as propaganda.

Warhammer 40K never had a canon, since it's just easier for GW to introduce changes that way.
True, but I always interpreted it as GW being a company primarily focused on selling plastic and things like lore being a secondary concern. Combine this with how large and complex the lore is and the effort it would take for any Black Library author to actually keep everything lore consistent and to a degree I think many BL authors don't really care about the IP, it's not their IP they didn't create it and don't own it) and many of them are just 'mercenaries' hired by a company to write stories for plastic minis (I think this also explains why some authors inject their own preferences and politics into the stories, as to get a sense of ownership or a sense or sense of actual impact to the IP).

So the no-canon thing to me is basically just authors trying to be witty while covering their on asses from criticism working for a company that doesn't care.
 
Measuring the success of a company by it's stock price... eh.
it's complicated of course and ties into a lot of things but at the end of the day a company needs to turn a profit to continue (more or less, I guess you can run a loss or get external funding but that's more a lifeline to keep a company going until they start turning a profit).
A company doesn't need high stock prices to continue doing business. Sure stock holders might be unhappy with tanking stocks and stock holders do have influence on the direction of a company, but at the end of the day if a business makes enough money to keep the lights on then stocks prices don't really mean that much.

GW is making a profit, temporary or long term stock prices just reflect peoples speculations and isn't a reflection of how well the company is actually doing.
He was specifically referring to the shitty grifting youtube channels claiming that the stock price had tanked(it didn't) and GW is going to fall apart any day now thanks to femstodes(nothing has changed, shit sells out within an hour same as it did before). Yes, stock prices are normally a reflection of speculators, but there isn't enough average joe trade volume to have any impact on the stock price in any meaningful way unlike say... a nationwide beer company being slammed in the media weekly for a year. So significant changes really only come up with a product release or financial reports.
So the no-canon thing to me is basically just authors trying to be witty while covering their on asses from criticism working for a company that doesn't care.
This has always been the case. That's why so much lore changed after rogue trader, that's why the entire necron faction changed overnight from being a vaguely egyptian themed rip off of Terminator, it's the same reason votan popped into existing out of nowhere as squats. Just purely considering the massive changes that GW has made to the lore over the decades, the femstodes thing is laughably minor by comparison to practically everything else. Some of it's because society as a whole and it's interests changed(don't expect to ever see the daemonculaba come back), some of it's because they wrote some really dumb shit back in the day that they don't want to fess up to(grey knights slaughtering sisters of battle to bathe in their blood like khorne berserkers comes to mind, or hell... inquisitor draco), usually it's just because they want to sell models(primaris).
 
Feelsbadman, like i dont feel comfortable dropping that amount just to start. It looks like a very expensive hobby minis wise, which is why ill probably default to 3d print them, saves me money and i can do whatever the fuck i want. Also discovered one page rule which is honestly a more fun and cheaper alternative and i dont have to sit down to read a different codex everytime i feel.like switching armies.
 
I've been hearing how 3D printing is going to replace GW for like five years now.

It just won't happen. The main costumer base either doesn't have the ability or the time to engage in 3D printing to save money that isn't even that high of a cost when compared to other modern hobbies. And the end result is that you have models you can't do shit with since people still play in their local GW store.
 
If playing OPR is on the table, you've already found at least a handful of people who won't care about whether your models are printed, so good for you. That said, in terms of actual prices of rulesets, there's no real difference between reading the current 40k rules on Waha versus downloading an OPR PDF.
 
The upcoming killteam set looks super interesting, but so does the warcry set they revealed. I dont plan on hopping on a preorder but damn if I'm not eyeballing them.
 
It seems illogical to me, forbidding using 3D printed models in a game store is just basic business sense for any store. It's like a restaurant that allows people to bring their own food and drink in.
I dunno, we have one store here and they're fine with people bringing 3D printed models fo local tourneys, long as the model repressents what it supposed to be on the table and fits the base size, nobody has an issue. Hell, store even has its own 3D printer you can use if you're a club member and bring your own printing materials.
 
3D printing replaces GW for every single person that buys a 3D printer. If you never get one, GW will never be replaced.
I'll not deny that it mostly replaces GW (and more importantly opens up many doors to models that are out-of-production or even out of scope altogether; I couldn't get new plastic BFG models for love or money), but I've got multiple printers and still buy the occasional box from GW - it's nice to work with high-quality plastic minis (and being able to use plastic glue rather than superglue is a major selling point; durability is too but ABS-like resin alleviates that) that don't require going through the chores associated with printing from time to time, especially when converting.
Perhaps it helps that it feels like GW is catering to people like me these days; a lot of new kits are practically bits boxes in and of themselves, packed with fiddly components that would be a pain to support to get a similarly-pristine result.
A box of models from time to time really isn't that expensive, as @wtfNeedSignUp was saying; if I cared more about the competitive side of the game I'd have little issue foregoing printing altogether.
 
Was it Gorkamorka that had the 'you can have as many Boyz on your truck as models you can balance on it' rule? That was a fun time.
It was. They even created oval bases specifically for the game to allow you to fit more Boyz into the vehicles. It's a damn shame they didn't carry on with Gorkamorka because that game was something special imo.
 
i was or am considering starting with kill team, but after this price raises i dont know if i can see myself playing it in the long run.
Kill Team is probably smarter. You can replace whole teams with third party models and get enough kill teams cheaper than a whole single army for you and friends to rotate through.
 
It seems illogical to me, forbidding using 3D printed models in a game store is just basic business sense for any store. It's like a restaurant that allows people to bring their own food and drink in.
Plenty of game stores let people use printed models as long as they're not being dicks about it.

They're fine with people buying the table time and other stuff.

Hell, I've heard of some that start to sell printer stuff lol.
 
And the end result is that you have models you can't do shit with since people still play in their local GW store.
So don't play at GW stores? The average GW store has maybe 2 tables to play on if it isn't WH World, or the couple large cafes in the US and Japan. On top of that, most GW stores don't want people playing more than a demo game in them in addition to not having enough space for more than 1-2 games tops. You need to find your LGS that isn't a GW.

Average GW store with no room to play even if the tables were cleared:
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This is what the average local game store actually looks like. Clearly they've got the tables setup for MTG(holy shit, that is another game with some sycophants throwing money at a huge corporation), but you just rearrange a bunch of the tables and can make enough space for war games on an open game night/tournament/etc.
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Hell, here's one with a room with dedicated wargaming tables that serves beer even
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It seems illogical to me, forbidding using 3D printed models in a game store is just basic business sense for any store. It's like a restaurant that allows people to bring their own food and drink in.
Still need paint, basing materials, tools, dice, tape measures, snacks/drinks while playing(and most LGS also don't ban bringing in your own food/drink so long as you aren't making a mess with it). Also, actually having people having fun in the store playing games means random walk-in customers can see that, ask what people are playing, and employees can point them over to the shelves of models and books. And that's not factoring in that there are stores that will even sell printers, resin, and tools for printing... because they know their customers buy that stuff. Still doesn't stop people from buying GW minis, shit for the various star wars games, etc.

What most LGS won't do, is take the time and space to add tournaments and narrative leagues for things like OPR/Trench Crusade/Turnip28/etc. to their calendars because they don't sell that(unless they rent table space and you've got a group of people willing to pay for it). Even if you're using 3d printed space marines and playing 40k(so long as you aren't showing up with random unpainted blobs from an FDM printer or something) most LGS just don't have a reason to give a crap. You really need to find your local game stores that aren't just shitty GW stores.
 
A company doesn't need high stock prices to continue doing business. Sure stock holders might be unhappy with tanking stocks and stock holders do have influence on the direction of a company, but at the end of the day if a business makes enough money to keep the lights on then stocks prices don't really mean that much.

GW is making a profit, temporary or long term stock prices just reflect peoples speculations and isn't a reflection of how well the company is actually doing.
Then in that case, GW is doing extremely well, especially when they raise prices on their products, yet they get sold out within days after the price increase.

Technically true, but I'd argue that 80s and 90s woke is a bit different than 2020s woke.
More along the lines of modern woke is a more evolved version of 80s and 90s woke. The same people who pushed 80s and 90s woke on us, if they haven't gotten excommunicated by the woke tribe, are also supporting modern woke as well.

You give them an inch, they take a mile. You give them gay weddings and abortions, they start talking about how sexy women in media is objectifying and how a man chopping off his balls makes him a woman.

Sadly we're just in another transition period for the franchise. It started out as a tongue in cheek IP with a couple of digs at right wing politics and political figures, then it became "edge heavy metal cover" IP basically the grimdark era, and now it's transitioning into a more mainstream IP and attempting to appeal to modern political norms and ideas. The problem is that we find ourselves in the time where everything is political and everything is used as propaganda.
Most of the fans think that the zenith of 40K is that time when everything was edgy. But to be fair, that was a reaction to how most entertainment in the late 80s and early 90s was safe and sterile. Just like Starcraft and Fallout, 3rd Edition Warhammer was there to be a sort of counterbalance to the general spirit of the 90s and how safe everything was. Think of the Batman, Superman, Transformers, and GI Joe cartoons where death was a rarity, if they even have it at all.

Now you have wokesters making themselves known, and the last big thing that people loved was the MCU. So of course, now they're trying to copy both with superhero Primaris marines and by appealing to wokesters by bringing in Femstodes and painting conservatives like Carl Benjamin as the bad guy. I wouldn't be surprised if more loyalist Primarchs come back and form a sort of Justice League or Avengers-style group, and the new bad guys are right-wingers within the Imperium who are super-religious, who want to bring back the Imperium Eterna and roll back any changes the Primarchs might make. Or a group of male aristocrats complaining that women aren't sexy enough, linked to some cult of Slaanesh, bringing his influence to the pleasure worlds.......

True, but I always interpreted it as GW being a company primarily focused on selling plastic and things like lore being a secondary concern. Combine this with how large and complex the lore is and the effort it would take for any Black Library author to actually keep everything lore consistent and to a degree I think many BL authors don't really care about the IP, it's not their IP they didn't create it and don't own it) and many of them are just 'mercenaries' hired by a company to write stories for plastic minis (I think this also explains why some authors inject their own preferences and politics into the stories, as to get a sense of ownership or a sense or sense of actual impact to the IP).
I've seen other franchises have a better grasp of their lore and canon. Gundam, for instance, has sprawling works and several different canons, and there's no confusion where each work fits in which canon. Hell, the Star Wars Expanded Universe is technically older than Warhammer itself, with comics from the 70s and 80s still counting as canon up until the Disney sale. In one of the later-era novels, Luke Skywalker's wife was killed by the apprentice of a Sith woman whom he fought in the old Marvel comics from the 80s.

But you are right. Many BL authors don't really care about the IP in general, they're like Dave Filoni who only care about their own interpretation of the IP.

So the no-canon thing to me is basically just authors trying to be witty while covering their on asses from criticism working for a company that doesn't care.
Basically, yes. GW only truly cared about the miniatures, they don't care about the lore, they never did. The opposition for Femstodes came from suits who said that they didn't have Femstodes models, but that can easily be fixed. And of course, the Primaris broke the lore even worse, yet they were pushed like the next best thing when they came out and they even sold well.

BL writers had been lazy even before the woke.
Yep. Like I said, other franchises' writers worked hard enough to keep to a canon, but BL authors go with the whole ''no canon'' thing because they're too lazy to keep track of a canon.

He was specifically referring to the shitty grifting youtube channels claiming that the stock price had tanked(it didn't) and GW is going to fall apart any day now thanks to femstodes(nothing has changed, shit sells out within an hour same as it did before). Yes, stock prices are normally a reflection of speculators, but there isn't enough average joe trade volume to have any impact on the stock price in any meaningful way unlike say... a nationwide beer company being slammed in the media weekly for a year. So significant changes really only come up with a product release or financial reports.
Exactly. These Youtube channels keep selling the idea that GW is crashing and burning thanks to the boycott, yet business is booming, their stock prices are doing fine, and their merchandise sells out rather quickly. It doesn't support the narrative these grifters are pushing; the exact opposite is happening. This isn't the same as Disney not making a buck off Star Wars or Bud Light getting BTFO'd for going woke.

This has always been the case. That's why so much lore changed after rogue trader, that's why the entire necron faction changed overnight from being a vaguely egyptian themed rip off of Terminator, it's the same reason votan popped into existing out of nowhere as squats. Just purely considering the massive changes that GW has made to the lore over the decades, the femstodes thing is laughably minor by comparison to practically everything else. Some of it's because society as a whole and it's interests changed(don't expect to ever see the daemonculaba come back), some of it's because they wrote some really dumb shit back in the day that they don't want to fess up to(grey knights slaughtering sisters of battle to bathe in their blood like khorne berserkers comes to mind, or hell... inquisitor draco), usually it's just because they want to sell models(primaris).
Times really were different back then. Hell, remember when rape as drama was common in comic books? Not anymore. If you write such stories, you'll get slammed for being a pervert or a sexist. So I can't imagine them showing Grey Knights killing Sisters of Battle for their blood. But this makes the whole ''nothing is canon'' statement useful, since they can just write that stuff off as ''lol it was just a rumor/unreliable narrator BS'' and forget that they ever wrote such things.

The Femstodes are indeed a laughably minor change, especially when compared to the Primaris utterly breaking the way Space Marine chapters recruit and train their guys. At least with the Femstodes, all you need to do to make them acceptable is to say that the daughters of Terran nobles were also accepted alongside their sons. So instead of the Custodes coming from only the sons of the Terran nobles, you can alter that with two words and say that the Custodes ''came from the infant sons and daughters of the Terran nobles.'' You wouldn't have to drastically alter how a group recruits their soldiers by having them suddenly accept randos from another planet when they've only ever trained and hazed folks that they recruit at a young age.
 
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Saw this model in a telegram group and had to paint him. Printed at 200%
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Made the cat orange because the lack of braincells seems to correlate to the shovelfellas.
 
™️So for a lot of people who just want minis it's not convincing enough. If we ever get to the point where it's 3D printing is as simple as a buy the print, plug it in and immediately get high quality prints then GW is screwed (basically a Star Trek replicator). But until then people will likely still just pay the premium and buy from GW.
they'll still buy it because people are niggercattle. gw will always have buyers, just the number's gonna change.
the hobby aspect is kinda moot since you don't need your own printer, you can just give 20 bucks for a kilogram of plastic to someone in your circle or "friend of a friend".

like most things it's simply not an overnight process. there's no easier way to make a gw paypiggie seethe than showing him a great model gloating how you paid less than a dollar for it and happily keep playing on the next table. either he keeps buying gw plastic, or caves and starts buying from you (or your source), and then once he has his own mini for less than a buck, it suddenly becomes a lot more difficult to justify to himself giving (at least) ten times to a company which most likely pissed him off in some other issue before, if not their pricing alone.
otoh you'll always have the MUH ORIGINAL MUH LEGIT spergs, but those aren't really wargamers but warhammer-fags. matt ward could sodomize their girlfriend in front of them and kick their dog and and they'd still give GW money because MUH WARHAMMER!!11 (or whatever brand they latch onto).

If playing OPR is on the table, you've already found at least a handful of people who won't care about whether your models are printed, so good for you. That said, in terms of actual prices of rulesets, there's no real difference between reading the current 40k rules on Waha versus downloading an OPR PDF.
brah your official warhammer® 40.000© datacards™? don't you dare proxy dat shit!

More along the lines of modern woke is a more evolved version of 80s and 90s woke. The same people who pushed 80s and 90s woke on us, if they haven't gotten excommunicated by the woke tribe, are also supporting modern woke as well.
please, you really need to read up what demographics are what the overton window is, because while some stuff you say is valuable, this is below zoomer-tier.
 
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