Warhammer 40k

[p1138]

Yet they need not be, at least with the former. The latter, the game evolves and changes as it goes on, so the meta inevitably evolves. But the former, they could've toned down the lore to make it less overblown and have less of a power gap between the common soldier and the super-soldier, or they could've limited the number of super-soldiers one can use in any given game, if they're to remain ''super''.

And yet the problem with that is once again, GW lets their writers basically do whatever they want. Regular humans fighting a space marine in one of the extended eisenhorn books is not the same as a regular human fighting a space marine in a ciaphas cain book, which isn't the same as a dawn of fire book, it just goes on and on. The game can't be consistent with the lore, because the lore has never been consistent with itself and that's before you need to consider how abstracted the game is from the lore on top of that to handle the number of guard minis as mentioned, or necron aircraft vs ork aircraft, etc.

You're seriously 30 years late to the argument about this.

Also, 40k isn't the only scifi tabletop game with this problem. SW Legion has Darth Vader playable ffs, and you know he isn't just soloing an entire rebel army on the tabletop. Just jump on TTS and find a reddit or discord(hell, people even have tournaments via TTS) with people who play it there and try 40k there, just avoid any talk about politics and you'll be less likely to get brigaded by rainbow flags.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And yet the problem with that is once again, GW lets their writers basically do whatever they want. Regular humans fighting a space marine in one of the extended eisenhorn books is not the same as a regular human fighting a space marine in a ciaphas cain book, which isn't the same as a dawn of fire book, it just goes on and on. The game can't be consistent with the lore, because the lore has never been consistent with itself and that's before you need to consider how abstracted the game is from the lore on top of that to handle the number of guard minis as mentioned, or necron aircraft vs ork aircraft, etc.

They really need their own Leland Chee. And the funny thing is, tons of nerds would LOVE to do that job for them. For free, even. They're just too lazy to even care.

SW Legion has Darth Vader playable ffs, and you know he isn't just soloing an entire rebel army on the tabletop.

To be frank, Vader in the old EU had limits despite his immense power, so throwing enough fire at him, or using the right fighting style, is more than enough to drive him away now and then. I can't count how many times he got driven away by enemy fire back when I played EAW. There's also the Lost Command and one of the SW Tales stories where he fought Darth Maul, and in both stories, he takes a massive L. So SW Legion is actually accurate to the old canon.

 

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Not my favorite 40ktuber but the only one I saw talk about it -- there's a rumor that Cavil bailed on the 40k Amazon show? Would be a bummer if true cause he's a huge fan of the series.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Not my favorite 40ktuber but the only one I saw talk about it -- there's a rumor that Cavil bailed on the 40k Amazon show? Would be a bummer if true cause he's a huge fan of the series.

I'd believe it. He stands up for the fans and the lore of the stuff he adapts. He was downright intolerable in the eyes of the people writing the Witcher show because he kept insisting they stick to the lore. I can imagine something similar happened with the Amazon 40K show. But until we get official confirmation, it's still just a rumor.

 

[p1138]

They really need their own Leland Chee. And the funny thing is, tons of nerds would LOVE to do that job for them. For free, even. They're just too lazy to even care.


To be frank, Vader in the old EU had limits, so throwing enough fire at him, or using the right fighting style, is more than enough to drive him away now and then. I can't count how many times he got driven away by enemy fire back when I played EAW. So Legion is actually accurate to the old canon.

Dude, I'm not talking about the EU. I'm talking about the movies, and SW Legion. The game doesn't even represent vader boarding the rebel ship at the beginning of episode 4. The only way that would have a working equivalent in a game like 40k is if you had the shitty 8th or 9th edition smash captain problem again, where you could throw a billion buffs and abilities on a single space marine captain, yeet them across the table, and have them do 40+ wounds in one round of attacks and that was pretty much the worst type of hero-hammer that nobody likes.

Go play some miniature war games or something, then come back and talk to us about how the games should work, because while it sounds like you've read up on the lore side of 40k, you've got some incredibly unrealistic and unreasonable expectations for how the game plays or has played over the years.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Go play some miniature war games or something, then come back and talk to us about how the games should work, because while it sounds like you've read up on the lore side of 40k, you've got some incredibly unrealistic and unreasonable expectations for how the game plays or has played over the years.

Then the lore really needs to be rewritten to be more accurate to the tabletop. As in, there shouldn't be that large power gap between space marines and regular soldiers. I mean, in other sci-fi, supersoldiers are powerful, they're capable of great things, but regular soldiers can take them down easily if given the right circumstances.

Spoiler: SCI-FI SUPERSOLDIER EXAMPLES

In Halo, an ODST with an itchy trigger finger and a sniper rifle can take down a Spartan or a Brute Chieftain given the chance.

In Mass Effect, Krogans are known in the lore as really powerful adversaries, but that's more along the lines of their physical combat strength; any idiot with enough firepower and the right tactics can still put them down like animals. You don't need a platoon of human or Turian goons just to put down one Krogan.

Star Wars had a normie like Kyle Katarn wielding a plasma cannon and defeating a power-armored Imperial general like Rom Mohc, who was wearing Phase 3 Dark Trooper power armor. The latter was basically the SW equivalent of a Terminator Marine, yet a normie, an ex-Stormtrooper Rebel saboteur, put him down, in a man-to-man, face-to-face fight, no less.

Even the Newtypes in Gundam, who are portrayed as clairvoyant and as excellent battle pilots, they can still be taken down by experienced soldiers who know how to make up for their psychic antics. See Yazan Gable vs. the Newtypes from the AEUG.

That seems to be more accurate to how tabletop in 40K goes. Space Marines can go down just like any other punk if they roll the wrong number, even if they're going up against plebs. So it would stand to reason that the lore should reflect that.

It would actually make for a great story about propaganda if you have the Space Marines be presented in the story as these gods above men, these shining super-soldiers, from the POV of a regular guardsman, then when the battle hits, he finds out that these vaunted ''angels of death'' die like chumps just like any other soldier, and the main reason the Imperium values them over the regular plebs in the army is because they'll happily gun down a whole village of innocent people when given the order, whereas a regular IG squad might not be so pliable to that request. All that crap about them being these invincible gods of war was just baloney the Imperium fed its populace, and in the end, they're just as mortal as anyone else, and they can die like chumps just like anyone else.

Hell, you can even go double with that for the Custodes. Sitting in the Imperial palace with your thumb up your ass while waxing philosophically and play stupid war games with inferiors for ten thousand years does not keep your skills sharp. The reputation would be there, where people think they're gods of war, where people think that one Custodes can take down a whole chapter of corrupted Space Marines, but when the battle hits, they're no better than the average Astartes or Sororitas, and they take more than their fair share of casualties, which the Imperium has to cover up.

 

[p1138]

In Halo, an ODST with an itchy trigger finger and a sniper rifle can take down a Spartan or a Brute Chieftain given the chance.

Which needs to be represented on a d6, d10, 2d6, or dwhatever with proprietary faces. Which means it can be readily repeatable.

Star Wars had a normie like Kyle Katarn wielding a plasma cannon and defeating a power-armored Imperial general like Rom Mohc, who was wearing Phase 3 Dark Trooper power armor. The latter was basically the SW equivalent of a Terminator Marine, yet a normie, an ex-Stormtrooper Rebel saboteur, put him down, in a man-to-man, face-to-face fight, no less.

No, I mean with regular normal blaster carbines.

Even the Newtypes in Gundam, who are portrayed as clairvoyant and as excellent battle pilots, they can still be taken down by experienced soldiers who know how to make up for their psychic antics.

And guess what? The miniature war game doesn't accurately represent the lore, because in lore suit development goes at lightspeed compared to something like tank or jet development in real life. As a result, you get 20 distinct power levels of just gundam between 0079 and 150 or so(victory gundam) that everyone wants represented. Guess what? The 40k timeline takes into account practically everything post m35 or so. The resulting balance is a crap shoot even staying within UC mobile suits and avoiding shit like Seed or 00.

It would actually make for a great story about propaganda if you have the Space Marines be presented in the story as these gods above men, these shining super-soldiers, from the POV of a regular guardsman, then when the battle hits, he finds out that these vaunted ''angels of death'' die like chumps just like any other soldier, and the main reason the Imperium values them over the regular plebs in the army is because they'll happily gun down a whole village of innocent people when given the order, whereas a regular IG squad might not be so pliable to that request. All that crap about them being these invincible gods of war was just baloney the Imperium fed its populace, and in the end, they're just as mortal as anyone else, and they can die like chumps just like anyone else.

That is literally how the custodes war record works in universe. Any publicly known deployment is automatically recorded as a victory no matter what the actual result is, and usually just as the deployment occurs. However, this still doesn't take into account the various power levels within space marines before getting to custodes or chaos powered space marines, because then you get shit like Minotaurs fighting with Custodes in lore.

Please go experience the tabletop instead of trying to tell people how it should be. That's literally as bad as the grifter tourists trying to tell people how or why GW should be doing things their way when they never gave a damn about 40k in the first place and most of them have moved on by now unless it comes up in the news/grift cycle again. It's like the worst part of the adeptus ridiculous podcast, where DK for whatever the fuck reason after years has still never touched a game of 40k and as a result is constantly having to ask the same questions and getting the same answers from Bricky, to the point of the podcasts eventually being predictable. Like I said, you're 30(really closer to 40) years late about complaining about the fact that GW does not treat their lore as sacred and never has, and never will. Hell, you don't even have to play 40k, or 30k. You're into star wars, right? Go print up an imperial army or something and go play that. You can do these things without needing to make assumptions about how the lore this and tabletop that, and just see for yourself how it works.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Please go experience the tabletop instead of trying to tell people how it should be.

I'm saying the exact opposite. I'm not saying that the tabletop should be changed, I'm saying that the lore should be reworked to accurately reflect the realities of the tabletop. Make it a free-for-all where, like in the tabletop, anyone can take down anybody. A squad of regular Orks can take down a Terminator Marine squad. A lucky IG regiment can take down a Daemon Prince or a Chaos Lord. That would actually make for a far more interesting universe than just copying capeshit and shonen anime and assigning power levels to certain characters or groups, only for it to be broken depending on the author.

Capeshit and other superhero stuff got really fucking boring after they got way into power-scaling and all that bullshit. It just ends with nerds arguing nonstop as to who's stronger than who, only for them to BTFO and get pissed when the next author comes out with a new book that ignores all their yammering.

 

[p1138]

I'm saying the exact opposite. I'm saying that the lore should be reworked to accurately reflect the realities of the tabletop. Make it a free-for-all where, like in the tabletop, anyone can take down anybody. A squad of regular Orks can take down a Terminator Marine squad. A lucky IG regiment can take down a Daemon Prince or a Chaos Lord. That would actually make for a far more interesting universe than just copying capeshit and shonen anime and assigning power levels to certain characters or groups, only for it to be broken depending on the author.

Capeshit and superhero stuff got really fucking boring after they got way into power-scaling and all that bullshit.

Ok, so instead of telling us how the tabletop should be, you're telling us how the lore should be... based on your assumptions about the tabletop. That's not any different. Think about that for a moment.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Ok, so instead of telling us how the tabletop should be, you're telling us how the lore should be... based on your assumptions about the tabletop. That's not any different. Think about that for a moment.

No. Just remove the power-scaling and let it be a dog-eat-dog, free-for-all world where anyone can take down anybody and anything can happen; it's much more suspenseful that way, since predicting who will win is harder when you don't have power-scaling.

But, if you're not agreeing, then I can take a hint. This is getting tiring anyways. Have a pleasant night.

 

[Humble Architect]

I'd believe it. He stands up for the fans and the lore of the stuff he adapts. He was downright intolerable in the eyes of the people writing the Witcher show because he kept insisting they stick to the lore. I can imagine something similar happened with the Amazon 40K show. But until we get official confirmation, it's still just a rumor.

It’s that curse.

Cavill will bear the Superman curse till he dies.

Though I’m sure this image summed up Henry in the Witcher writing room

 

[p1138]

But, if you're not agreeing, then I can take a hint. This is getting tiring anyways. Have a pleasant night.

I do just want to make it clear. I'm not calling you a tourist, trying to "gatekeep" or anything of the sort. I'm trying to encourage you(not sure how successfully) to go out and actually do the thing and gain the experience, and come back with additional feedback once you have more context and perspective. And as it's been pointed out at least for the game aspect, just use TTS so you aren't spending a bunch of time on minis or whatever since you can play for free once you buy the base TTS game on sale for $20 or whatever.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It’s that curse.

Cavill will bear the Superman curse till he dies.

It's a sad thing to think for such a promising actor. Especially one who fought for the fans during his tenure in the Witcher show.

Though I’m sure this image summed up Henry in the Witcher writing room

It's probably what's going on in the Amazon Warhammer 40K writing room, too.

 

[Cats]

Working on these Black Orcs. For some reason the photos look so much clearer before I send them to my email and then save onto the computer to post here. And then have to thumbnail them here. oh well.

I decided to just do a traditional paint job, not entirely sure how to do rusty black metal speed paint armor and have it look good. Most of their checker patterns are on the back armor plates, they have some sqare ones hanging off their belts etc. I am thinking of doing strips of checkers on the axes. I need to clean up my freehand checkers bad.



some typhus corrosion tech paint will be next. I am still practicing the best way to do this type of armor. So I am learning as I go. I am trying to decide on my next move now. I don't want the rust to look fake or messy.

He is my favorite model out of all these 3D prints:


The warboss guy ended up looking like a Warcraft orc with this paint job I gave him lmao. but, I like him anyway. He will have a lot more work done, he needs edge highlight, metallic silver edges, some black+white checkers somewhere, the rust etc. He is huge!



I got these three "marauders" that all look really neat. The boar rider's shield spikes broke off in the mail so I had to glue some bits there. They are sort of large but its fine. I need to paint them.



oh yeah. I ordered these bases to go with each orc:

 

[Abella]

Man I’d like to find an immolator that wasn’t gouged up because they’ve been out of stock for months on the GW website and all that are left are old 3rd edition kits selling for $120+ or overpriced poorly painted ones on eBay.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

I just did a quick check on Etsy, and even the 3rd party printers don't have anything. Found a cool Exorcist proxy though if you want the link.

 

[Abella]

I just did a quick check on Etsy, and even the 3rd party printers don't have anything. Found a cool Exorcist proxy though if you want the link.

I appreciate you looking. I’m guessing the being sold out and not restocking in months means it might be given the same treatment celestials got. It wouldn’t surprise me knowing GW that they’d do this after announcing the holy trinity detachment rule, which rewards using flamers, meltas and bolters.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

I'm just surprised there's fuck all for the Immolator on Etsy. Saw every other tank the Imperium uses but that and the Repressor (still don't get why GW killed that tank). There's a 3rd edition Immolator for sale, but it's going for the same price as the ebay ones.

 

[Abella]

They could be trying to push for a new tank to replace it as well. The repressor got pushed out of the modern codexes for them as well. They seem to want to put a lot of focus on units that are dramatic or can break the mold of being a midrange unit like the sisters. Sacresants are pretty much the terminators for adepta sororitas, but the triumph of saint Katherine is something else. I don’t know if it’d be worth fielding solely because it eats shit when faced with even blocks of units like gaunts or boys shooting at it.

 

[Alter Ego]

Not my favorite 40ktuber but the only one I saw talk about it -- there's a rumor that Cavil bailed on the 40k Amazon show? Would be a bummer if true cause he's a huge fan of the series.

Valrak kind of says as much in the video, but it sounds like he's just remarking with dismissal on the baseless "CAVILL IS THREATENING TO QUIT AMAZON OVER FEMALE CUSTODES" claim from 4chan a month ago at the height of the female custodes controversy: