Warhammer 40k

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The same way they've always done it for the past few decades(even their insane stock price jump started long before covid lockdowns and hell, SNES and Genesis games were priced at $50-60 back in the 90s as well). Either their parents have the money to get them the thing they're interested in to shut them up. Or they maintain a casual interest and then buy into it in their late teens or early 20s. And even back in the 80s, they still had the same competition from other toy companies selling action figures that didn't need to be painted, play-sets that didn't need to be assembled, and so on yet somehow they still succeeded.

You really don't know how the kids of today act and think. It's not the same way kids back in the 80s and 90s think. They're very much into instant gratification, in the here and now. Tabletop wargaming is a hobby that consumes a lot of time even before you get to the fun of playing with people, and by that time, they could've bought a gaming console with some games, or played some ball games with their friends in the great outdoors.

Also, by the time today's kids hit their 20s, the prices would have continued to rise and the upper middle-class would've continued to shrink. Oh, and there's probably going to be more video games available to them, too. Gaming companies are taking out a lot of their old pearls from the 90s-2000s and remaking them for modern audiences. A kid that can afford a whole army would also be able to afford something like a Nintendo Switch, or maybe even a PS5, and they'll probably get more mileage and more varied enjoyment out of the latter. A single PS5 or Series X can download games from today or from the golden years of the 90s to the early 2010s, when gaming was hitting its peak. Guess which one junior would prefer, if they're not already outside playing soccer or basketball?

The surest way I can see this hobby passing from one generation to the next is by the literal definition of it; a parent talks to their child about how fun tabletop gaming is, and they introduce their kid to it. And the kid would more than likely agree, and the parent teaches their child the ins and outs of the hobby and how to get the most fun out of it. But with rising prices continuing, and the middle class as a whole continuing to shrink, I don't know for how long they can keep this up. Especially since as I said, you can buy whole meals or games just for the price tag of a few models or even just one model.

 

[p1138]

Also, by the time today's kids hit their 20s, the prices would have continued to rise and the upper middle-class would've continued to shrink. Oh, and there's probably going to be more video games available to them, too.

And you think this didn't happen with pricing from the 80s and 90s? I've linked you the catalogs multiple times now, and I'm sure you can find an inflation calculator on your own. What minis cost 10, 20, 30+ years ago and inflation are just facts that can be looked up.

Yes, clearly kids have changed, this is why Hasbro has such a hard time selling action figures to anyone who isn't over the age of 35. But that doesn't change the fact that not every kid now, and not every kid 40 years ago was into the same shit. You do realize that other hobbies, even for kids still exist to this day, right? We aren't at the point of Wall-E where every human is just a blob that never leaves their chair or gets away from a monitor. But like usual, most hobbies unless it's something dirt cheap like playing basketball(which pretty much just requires someone in a group to own a ball and a couple hoops somewhere, are generally not participated in by poorer families. Nothing has changed about that in the past 100 years. Hell, have you even looked at what a modern set of art markers costs for doodling on paper? holy shit. Don't even get me started on families that could afford music lessons and instruments and shit, that crap has always cost a bunch of money.

But if you're going to just ignore what the price of a battle force, box of space marines, etc. used to cost just because a bunch of people on youtube constantly bitch about modern pricing without ever looking at historical pricing, you're not contributing anything to any conversation. Yes, it's expensive, always has been, always will be.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And you think this didn't happen with pricing from the 80s and 90s? I've linked you the catalogs multiple times now, and I'm sure you can find an inflation calculator on your own. What minis cost 10, 20, 30+ years ago and inflation are just facts that can be looked up.

Difference is, the 80s and 90s were a time of economic growth. The middle class expanded in those years. Hell, in the 90s, the Yanks even had a surplus. Meanwhile, the economy's been tanking since the mid-2000s, and the middle class has been shrinking since then. You forgot that important part. Like you said, this is a hobby for the upper middle-class, which is shrinking as we speak. That class was growing when Warhammer first came in during the 80s and 90s.

And like I said before, most of their economic growth in the past few years came from paypigs. Most of whom are adults in the 30-40 year-old age range, people who were kids back in the 80s and 90s. Not kids born in 2010 or after.

Yes, clearly kids have changed, this is why Hasbro has such a hard time selling action figures to anyone who isn't over the age of 35. But that doesn't change the fact that not every kid now, and not every kid 40 years ago was into the same shit. You do realize that other hobbies, even for kids still exist to this day, right? We aren't at the point of Wall-E where every human is just a blob that never leaves their chair or gets away from a monitor. But like usual, most hobbies unless it's something dirt cheap like playing basketball(which pretty much just requires someone in a group to own a ball and a couple hoops somewhere, are generally not participated in by poorer families. Nothing has changed about that in the past 100 years. Hell, have you even looked at what a modern set of art markers costs for doodling on paper? holy shit. Don't even get me started on families that could afford music lessons and instruments and shit, that crap has always cost a bunch of money.

If Hasbro's having a hard time selling action figures that are already assembled, painted, and ready to play, how harder do you think it will be to sell miniature figures that you can't pose, that aren't meant for hard play or bashing, and you have to assemble and paint? And as I said before, the middle class has been shrinking since the 2000s after the recession hit. Which is the exact opposite situation in the 80s and 90s when the economy was doing well, the middle class was expanding, and you had more people with expendable income getting into a hobby like Warhammer.

But if you're going to just ignore what the price of a battle force, box of space marines, etc. used to cost just because a bunch of people on youtube constantly bitch about modern pricing without ever looking at historical pricing, you're not contributing anything to any conversation. Yes, it's expensive, always has been, always will be.

Which again, doesn't bode well for the hobby influencing today's young, who have way more options for entertainment than we did when we were kids. They can go to Youtube and watch all sorts of things. Or download games off Steam. We had to pay 50 bucks a pop for a game cartridge/CD back in those old days, them, they just go to some website and download classic games on the fly. Legal or otherwise.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Am I the only one who's looking forward to Space Marine 2? I genuinely loved Space Marine 1 and even joined a Chapter for multiplayer back then.

I'm excited for it. Biggest gripe I have from the trailers is them not getting Mark Strong back to voice Titus. New guy just sounds... off.

Looking forward to the armor customization again. Relic did a great job with both the Build-A-Marine and the chapter/warband specific armors for the first game's multiplayer, and the little bit Focus teased does look promising.

 

[p1138]

If Hasbro's having a hard time selling action figures that are already assembled, painted, and ready to play, how harder do you think it will be to sell miniature figures that you can't pose, that aren't meant for hard play or bashing, and you have to assemble and paint? And as I said before, the middle class has been shrinking since the 2000s after the recession hit. Which is the exact opposite situation in the 80s and 90s when the economy was doing well, the middle class was expanding, and you had more people with expendable income getting into a hobby like Warhammer.

Because it's a complete different market? Also you think recessions didn't exist in the 80s and 90s? Holy shit... Yeah, the 1987 stock market(aka black friday) crash was due to economic growth... right..

And now all of the kids are just a monolithic mass that have moved on from fortnite to downloading retro games. Sure. Ok.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Jeez loweez, I make one post agreeing with someone, and you make a dozen posts debating something I barely opined on.

Because it's a complete different market? Also you think recessions didn't exist in the 80s and 90s? Holy shit... Yeah, the 1987 stock market(aka black friday) crash was due to economic growth... right..

Not as bad as we are now. Inflation's gone up even more, while jobs are far less available than they were in 1987 or 1999.

You yourself said that Hasbro is struggling to sell toys right now. You know when they weren't struggling to do that? The 80s and 90s. Damn near every middle-class family had kids swamped with toys, from Transformers to GI Joe, from He-Man to Thundercats, from Batman to Star Wars. Hasbro was selling toys like hotcakes. Not the same case today.

So, if your regular mom and pop ain't buying toys as much as they used to, why would they suddenly buy model kits to assemble and paint for junior? The only possibility for that is if they were tabletop gamers/hobbyists themselves.

And now all of the kids are just a monolithic mass that have moved on from fortnite to downloading retro games. Sure. Ok.

More so than before, especially with the internet spreading memes, beliefs, and ideas faster than we can put our boots on. Oh, and they do both Fortnite and retro games. An idea like Skibidi Toilet can spread far and wide before we even figured out where it came from and why it exists.

 

[Male Idiot]

Faggothammer 40gays will appeal to virgin feminist soycucks.

Like Majorkill who cooms to big muscle mommies crushing his swaeaty testicles.

Both Starwars and 40gay are angling hard for the leftist ally activist base, though Funko Pop and Soy lattes will give them a harsh battle!

Space marine 2 is written by a tranny, as usual for modern games.

I have been thinking about a game, but I lack the resources.

The setting would be a post apocalyptic Earth where the higher races had been all wiped out in an US/Russia/China WW3.
The remaining factions are South America, India, Southeast Asia and Africa.

NA is now the wasteland of Le Abominacion, said to house eldritch horrors. Europe and North Asia is the same, the White Wasteland.
SA is an age of sail mix of kingdoms where ancient narco gear relics and voodoo mix with catholicism.
India, due to its China proximity got a lot of nukes but now has many armed mutants. SAE is a trade hub.

They would fight over Africa, where shamans wave broken iphones and funko pops to summon their gods, based on a cargo cult of the US, EU, UN etc.

At first I thought I was being racist, but it would be interesting to see a more level world without the first and second world and their tech cheats.

 

[Humble Architect]

HH command squads and the rest of the Beta Garmon characters go up next week

I'm not going to pre-order it, but I'm hoping it turns out to be decent.

(seriously, can we just go back to talking about 40k and adjacent shit without "THE SJWS!"?)

It’s Lord Imperator, killing thread momentum and ranting about gay shit is how he sustains himself.

 

[Cats]

What's you guys' favorite chapter color to paint?

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Has anyone bought one of these by the way? https://mcfarlane.com/toys/chaos-space-marine/

I'm not much of a WH 40K fan but I do like some of these displayed in one of my room shelves even though these aren't the miniature static figures that WH 40K is known for.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

As if I needed another reason to retract my original statement, I just keep on discovering more and more of them. This dude is a fucking faggot.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=apOe1XFzcRc
lmao the video is sponsored by World of Warships. The comment section is heartwarming

Feeling my eyes roll back inside my head as I watch this. These people really are nigger cattle who worry they might become corrupted by even touching anything Nazi.

 

[p1138]

Feeling my eyes roll back inside my head as I watch this. These people really are nigger cattle who worry they might become corrupted by even touching anything Nazi.

It's about a half step away from that stupid ass extra credits "and suddenly you're a nazi" shit from a few years back(I think they eventually unlisted the video after basically the entire internet shit on them for it) complaining about being on the bad guy team in ww2 fps multiplayer games.

 

[Cats]

Has anyone bought one of these by the way? https://mcfarlane.com/toys/chaos-space-marine/

I'm not much of a WH 40K fan but I do like some of these displayed in one of my room shelves even though these aren't the miniature static figures that WH 40K is known for.

Man...this isnt anything against you nor am I trying to throw shade on you for sharing that...Thank you for doing it we love seeing new interesting stuff like that...but the paintjob on those things is fuckin rough. It actually perfectly resembles an amateur unthinned-paint first attempt at a black legion space marine lmfao. How did they manage to upscale the vibe of way too thick miniature paint on a model so well?!

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Man...this isnt anything against you nor am I trying to throw shade on you for sharing that...Thank you for doing it we love seeing new interesting stuff like that...but the paintjob on those things is fuckin rough. It actually perfectly resembles an amateur unthinned-paint first attempt at a black legion space marine lmfao. How did they manage to upscale the vibe of way too thick miniature paint on a model so well?!

I've seen videos of other people custom-painting these using blank versions if you dislike the painted ones.

 

[p1138]

Man...this isnt anything against you nor am I trying to throw shade on you for sharing that...Thank you for doing it we love seeing new interesting stuff like that...but the paintjob on those things is fuckin rough. It actually perfectly resembles an amateur unthinned-paint first attempt at a black legion space marine lmfao. How did they manage to upscale the vibe of way too thick miniature paint on a model so well?!

Because they're cheap bullshit normally priced at $20-$30. The joytoy figures generally have better paintjobs but of course they start at $30 and get as high as $200 for what is still "a dude" and I think the grey knights baby carriers were $300+?

The macfarlane junk would at least be the cheaper option if you wanted to play a larger scale game of KT for some reason(GW had a huge setup for their boarding action thing at gencon last year using them). And of course it's a cheap base to strip and just paint your own scheme.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Because they're cheap bullshit normally priced at $20-$30. The joytoy figures generally have better paintjobs but of course they start at $30 and get as high as $200 for what is still "a dude" and I think the grey knights baby carriers were $300+?

The macfarlane junk would at least be the cheaper option if you wanted to play a larger scale game of KT for some reason(GW had a huge setup for their boarding action thing at gencon last year using them). And of course it's a cheap base to strip and just paint your own scheme.

7-8 inch marines in an oversized playing field.......now that one I want to see.

 

[Cats]

grey knights baby carriers

lol one of my least favorite models. the sad thing is that everything looks cool about that sculpt, EXCEPT for the exposed baby portion. And I like all of their other chapter sculpts too. Medieval knights are cool, imperial knights from 40k are cool. If only they had just put the little guy inside (and maybe given him a small bit of a helmet or visor for a head). hah

 

[p1138]

7-8 inch marines in an oversized playing field.......now that one I want to see.

They talk about it at around 15:00, but I think he only shows the terrain they used for it when he mentions the board being 30' long. There was also a normal scale game but also 25' or whatever? Like they mention in the video, unless you're insane the only way to do something like that is at a con. Normal KT at least... would be doable in a living room or whatever I guess? But not only do you need the space, but then you've also got to make a pile of terrain to scale to play it like that. In a way it's kind of like that "titan walk" a bunch of those people who buy FW titans do at every con they can, where they either play it as 40k titans rules or that titanicus game but with 40k scale titans, but you can really only do that at an event(and those people have absurd piles of titans they also need to transport... shit's ridiculous), but that also ends up looking like a weird sideshow to gawk at the dozen or more(yes, there's actually quite a few of these guys) people who showed up with $10,000 in models and shit.

lol one of my least favorite models. the sad thing is that everything looks cool about that sculpt, EXCEPT for the exposed baby portion. And I like all of their other chapter sculpts too. Medieval knights are cool, imperial knights from 40k are cool. If only they had just put the little guy inside (and maybe given him a small bit of a helmet or visor for a head). hah

lol, no one likes the damn baby carrier. Pretty much the moment it was announced people were making panels to cover it up. It would have been fine as a giant dreadnought but nope... Then the nundams they went the same route with, sitting in a baby carrier. At least the normal space marine one the dude is riding in it kind of like an ATV with a roll cage, but arms and legs for some reason.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

They talk about it at around 15:00, but I think he only shows the terrain they used for it when he mentions the board being 30' long. There was also a normal scale game but also 25' or whatever? Like they mention in the video, unless you're insane the only way to do something like that is at a con. Normal KT at least... would be doable in a living room or whatever I guess? But not only do you need the space, but then you've also got to make a pile of terrain to scale to play it like that. In a way it's kind of like that "titan walk" a bunch of those people who buy FW titans do at every con they can, where they either play it as 40k titans rules or that titanicus game but with 40k scale titans, but you can really only do that at an event(and those people have absurd piles of titans they also need to transport... shit's ridiculous), but that also ends up looking like a weird sideshow to gawk at the dozen or more(yes, there's actually quite a few of these guys) people who showed up with $10,000 in models and shit.

Pretty crazy but that's the beauty of being a devoted fan of a franchise like this.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Faggothammer 40gays will appeal to virgin feminist soycucks.

Like Majorkill who cooms to big muscle mommies crushing his swaeaty testicles.

Both Starwars and 40gay are angling hard for the leftist ally activist base, though Funko Pop and Soy lattes will give them a harsh battle!

Space marine 2 is written by a tranny, as usual for modern games.

I have been thinking about a game, but I lack the resources.

The setting would be a post apocalyptic Earth where the higher races had been all wiped out in an US/Russia/China WW3.
The remaining factions are South America, India, Southeast Asia and Africa.

NA is now the wasteland of Le Abominacion, said to house eldritch horrors. Europe and North Asia is the same, the White Wasteland.
SA is an age of sail mix of kingdoms where ancient narco gear relics and voodoo mix with catholicism.
India, due to its China proximity got a lot of nukes but now has many armed mutants. SAE is a trade hub.

They would fight over Africa, where shamans wave broken iphones and funko pops to summon their gods, based on a cargo cult of the US, EU, UN etc.

At first I thought I was being racist, but it would be interesting to see a more level world without the first and second world and their tech cheats.

You could create a rule set and make it miniature agnostic. Faction wise, Pirates in the south and horn of Africa with techno barbarians rolling the plains of central Africa, in the north have slavers / traders of Old world tech since they are the closest to the European mainland.
It honestly sounds like a good idea and a bit like another game called This is not a test which was pretty fun to play from what I've heard.