Warhammer 40k

[Cats]

I didn't wanna post the progress on this thing so early but there was a big snag. The contrast paints are a no-go on this. I spent all that time drybrushing for basically nothing lmao. Guess #1 will be painted traditionally and #2 will be speedpaints. I mixed my own contrast paints with citadel contrast medium and tested them on drybrushed scrap and they worked perfectly fine.

Began putting them on the wings and blending them and the under highlights disappeared immediately and completely.


Front and back pic with a tiny hint of Skyrat (the only usable bottle, a dark black+purple) drybrushed onto the wings to give a vague iridescence:

Before the drybrushing on top of the pink and blue they were just perfectly solid colors with no transparency. idk why my contrasts didn't behave properly on these wings.

I am a little frustrated because, were I to have been begun this project intentionally as the "traditional" paintjob I had planned to do, the approach to gradient, color values, and possibly even tones was going to be completely different, and now all of the visions i had in my head of these guys is discombobulated. but I will find a way to make this paintjob work. I think I will probably just resign myself to doing a slightly less vibrant version of the GW scheme.


The next mini is his little Raven Lord guy friend, and I put some of that Skyrat color shift paint on the sword so you can see what it looks like on pure black. I still don't think it is mixed fully because the effect is extremely low-key:

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If anyone got any good recommendations for consistent colorshift paint that actually works and mixes well and comes in dropper bottles I am all ears

 

[p1138]

Front and back pic with a tiny hint of Skyrat (the only usable bottle, a dark black+purple) drybrushed onto the wings to give a vague iridescence:

Anyone got any good recommendations for consistent colorshift paint that actually works and mixes well and comes in dropper bottles I am all ears

I hate to say it, but you're kinda using them wrong. Pretty much all of the color shift paints on the market(for the most part, there's a few exceptions but they're usually with the white pearlescent versions) are meant to be painted over black gloss. I've used turbo dork before, specifically motherlode over white and that worked out but it also took 5 brushed on coats(wasn't even visible till the third). Drybrushing doesn't really work with colorshifts either. Most of the turbo dork paints on the website specifically point this out too.

Note: Skyrat must be used over a black basecoat to see the shift effect. If used over white, it appears grey.

Same deal with vallejo, greenstuffworld, etc. You even see it on cars with channels like dip your car where they're constantly coating the same half dozen vehicles in plastidip every week and mixing up random colorshifts, but it's almost always over a black or at least very dark base unless they're trying to do white.

Take some sprue or whatever and prime it black, then brush on some coats of the color shift paints you have, and you'll see that they actually work under specific conditions. Most colorshifts rely on interference, and they just don't work worth a crap with light reflected from behind them since they're transparent.

 

[Cats]

Yeah, I know all that. I only used a faint drybrushing of it on the wings to give a hint of iridescence like I said in my post. it's there, it shows up better in person. You can see the lighter colors of it on the raised edges as the botched contrast mixes were literally opaque after being blended. It kinda faded things into a downy shimmer, which is thankfully what I was going for with that action.

The sword tip I applied it to was black primer. I didn't drybrush any white past the 6 claws at the bottom. The Skyrat seems to work okay if not a little lowkey on black, but the other 3 bottles simply won't mix. Their mediums are complete cottage chese and it seems all the pigments are stuck to the bottom. I shook until my arm felt like it was gonna fall off. I just cannot get them to mix. I read around and lots of ppl are having this problem and allegedly they may just be expired bottles. btw I did test each one just in case on matte black primer as soon as I got them in the mail and they were just globs of white gunk that dried hideously. This was after the violent shaking. I mentioned all of this earlier I think.

I appreciate the advice though, really.

 

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If anyone got any good recommendations for consistent colorshift paint that actually works and mixes well and comes in dropper bottles I am all ears

It has to go over black gloss base, because it's basically transparent and the black basecoat helps and the gloss is smoother than matte and makes it flow properly. And you probably need to do 2-5 coats of it from what I'm hearing. I imagine you could get some interesting effects using very dark colors instead of outright blacks, but I'd test that out on some scrap sprue or 3D Printed test weapons or something first.

 

[Cats]

The main issue for me with Turbodork is the inconsistency. It seems to be a pretty common problem and I even remember having some bottles last time I tried painting a few years back that were unsalvageable as well. I will have to try gloss, though, as of right now my primers are just two- Satin and Matte. I did notice that the more coats I put on the tip of that sword, the more it showed up. But that was indeed faded into a black undercoat. Can I use a gloss varnish over black matte so that I can more easily prime the mini and then just gloss the colorshift areas? Would that work just as good as a gloss clearcoat? Because I have issues seeing details when gloss primer is covering the whole mini.

Thanks!

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

Please excuse the rampant new-faggotry but I miss talking 40k.

I used to collect but got out of the hobby around a decade ago for mostly financial reasons, been thinking of possibly picking up a few box sets mostly just for the fun of painting and modding them for old time's sake. Trying to decide between Orkz and 'nids at the moment, love me some Killa Kanz. The over all quality of the minis has certainly improved since I collected but I do sort of mourn the loss of old 40k's puggly charm.

Am I just bitching or does modern 40k take its self far far too seriously though? IG are Astra Militarum, Eldar are Ældari, Dark Eldar are Drukhari, SoB are Adeptus Sororitas (I know that it was always their fancy official name but that was just a bone for the beardos), Squat are back but for some reason are not just bearded biker dwarves in space (which is all that any one who gave a shit for the Squat actually wanted) and are now called the Leagues of Votann. Probably just culture shock since I have been out of the loop with 40k for so long and a lot has changed but all of these ostentatious rebrands just stink of insecurity and 'muh minis is serious business!' Oh well, the beardos won, filthy casuals like my self will just have to hide in our little holes, coping and sneeding that 40k has largely abandoned its sense of humor.

On a positive note, I quite like the stuff they have produced for Necromunda. Think it would be fun to mod some of them and incorporate them in to a small IG force. Ideally I wish that they would bring back Mordians and Tallarn, mash them up and create a colonial themed company with nicely suited up professional soldiers tard-wrangling an unwashed mass of tribal levies.

Oh and I guess scouts are kilt or being phased out? My last army was a (very non-competitive) Space Marine scout force, thanks GW, very cool. Though yes, not a thing stopping me from just playing older editions if I want to use them.

lol one of my least favorite models. the sad thing is that everything looks cool about that sculpt, EXCEPT for the exposed baby portion.

Could not agree more, that mini is a simply tragic case of shitting the bed right at the finish line.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

What's you guys' favorite chapter color to paint?

I could say yellow, but that would be a filthy lie. I only stick with it because I'm committed to my Fists army. Painting grey and black for my Carcharodons army wasn't bad, though, and I actually quite enjoyed painting my Titus mini. Blue goes on so nicely.

 

[p1138]

Their mediums are complete cottage chese and it seems all the pigments are stuck to the bottom. I shook until my arm felt like it was gonna fall off. I just cannot get them to mix. I read around and lots of ppl are having this problem and allegedly they may just be expired bottles. btw I did test each one just in case on matte black primer as soon as I got them in the mail and they were just globs of white gunk that dried hideously. This was after the violent shaking. I mentioned all of this earlier I think.

If you mentioned it earlier I probably missed it then(gee I wonder why...). It does seem weird for paint to just expire like that, most paint lasts years unless it was allowed to dry out(there's been people digging up 20+ year old GW paint and still using it even). If the bottles arrived like that, it almost sounds like they shipped at some point during winter(either to you, or the distributor, or the store, or whatever) and froze in transit.

Can I use a gloss varnish over black matte so that I can more easily prime the mini and then just gloss the colorshift areas?

I don't see why that wouldn't work so long as you aren't globbing the gloss on to the point where it's building up a weirdly thick layer.

Am I just bitching or does modern 40k take its self far far too seriously though? IG are Astra Militarum, Eldar are Ældari, Dark Eldar are Drukhari, SoB are Adeptus Sororitas (I know that it was always their fancy official name but that was just a bone for the beardos), Squat are back but for some reason are not just bearded biker dwarves in space (which is all that any one who gave a shit for the Squat actually wanted) and are now called the Leagues of Votann. Probably just culture shock since I have been out of the loop with 40k for so long and a lot has changed but all of these ostentatious rebrands just stink of insecurity and 'muh minis is serious business!' Oh well, the beardos won, filthy casuals like my self will just have to hide in our little holes, coping and sneeding that 40k has largely abandoned its sense of humor.

I don't think that's a matter of taking itself far too seriously as far as the setting goes, but the business definitely. There's really two major factors at play here. The first being the chapterhouse lawsuit from 2014 where GW lost(chapterhouse still went out of business due to the length of time of the court case, legal fees, etc.). The basics of that lawsuit was GW wanted to sue chapterhouse to prevent them from making minis they had rules for but nothing in production(this is why a ton of stuff was removed from the game, along with any notion of kitbashing things to match a model that doesn't exist), as well as GW failing at trying to trademark shit like "space marine" and "pauldron"(I'm not fucking kidding, they tried to trademark the word "pauldron"). For the most part the court told them to get fucked with that nonsense, but they were allowed to trademark a couple of things from their list of 100 or so words.

The second issue is basically a matter of branding and SEO. "Imperial Guard" in a google search may or may not show results for 40k. "astra militarum" will definitely point a search engine to 40k. Eldar was a generic term used in other fantasy stuff, now "drukhari" in a search takes you right to a page about dark eldar. This is why everything is adeptus astartes, votann, adepta sororitas, etc. instead of space marines(well, they go back and forth on this one because space marine has been such a major part of the branding for so long), squats, and sisters of battle. Same deal with naming all of their paints after proper nouns in 40k, aos, and WHFB, it's all trademarkable names that another company can't just come along and make the same color(can't be trademarked outside of things like pantone but that's a different weird legal mess) and name it macragge blue or whatever. This also has another side benefit for the paint because their painting guides are effectively written in gibberish because you can't easily take a list of macragge blue, naggaroth night shade, nuln oil, rhinox hide, and so on and just match up a list from a competitor like AK/Vallejo/etc. by name.

edit: Here's one of chapterhouse's filings for their defense. You can see just how retarded GWs claims were for some of this shit and why the court threw a bunch of it out.

https://ia601300.us.archive.org/24/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.250791/gov.uscourts.ilnd.250791.289.6.pdf

Here's another idiotic one from GW's side where you can see some of the shit they tried to claim was theirs.

https://ia601300.us.archive.org/24/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.250791/gov.uscourts.ilnd.250791.208.2.pdf

 

[Fungible penis]

Began putting them on the wings and blending them and the under highlights disappeared immediately and completely.

You can try thinning the contrast paints with a medium if they are blowing out the highlights. Also a lot of contrast/technical paints look v different after drying.

I often do a sandy white dry brush over initial contrast layer and then hit it with thinned over the top of that as a glaze.

 

[Humble Architect]

What's you guys' favorite chapter color to paint?

Heresy-era Death Guard, the bone armor, copper trim and your choice of lime green or piercing red eyes look is never not cool.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

The basics of that lawsuit was GW wanted to sue chapterhouse to prevent them from making minis they had rules for but nothing in production(this is why a ton of stuff was removed from the game, along with any notion of kitbashing things to match a model that doesn't exist), as well as GW failing at trying to trademark shit like "space marine" and "pauldron"(I'm not fucking kidding, they tried to trademark the word "pauldron"). For the most part the court told them to get fucked with that nonsense, but they were allowed to trademark a couple of things from their list of 100 or so words.

Considering the history of GW and the amount of cross-pollination there has been twixt the various nerd worlds, that is pretty gross. Call it Case #26884072 of litigious corporate shit bags making fun things objectively worse for no reason, I guess. Hard to see that not just back firing, it certainly makes me want to consider just buying Chinesium or Russtinium 3d prints out of spite.

What's you guys' favorite chapter color to paint?

I went with a tawny brown / orange as a primary color with my scouts. You do not often see Space Marines with brown armor but I swear that it came out nicely and gave them a rather distinctive look, particularly on the speeders. Also provided a strong contrast for detailing the armor, scripts and embellishments painted with blue-grey colors lit right up and were easy to make out.

 

[Cats]

Heresy-era Death Guard, the bone armor, copper trim and your choice of lime green or piercing red eyes look is never not cool.

I actually worked on some 3D prints to go along with my Deathshroud Bodyguard and did pallid hand scheme on them, but never added the copper details or finished the weapons which are still just plain leadbelcher base. The resin was super weak in these prints for some reason and so a lot of small pieces like spikes and skulls kept easily breaking off during basic handling, and some parts were broken in the trip through the mail as well.

I just really don't care for how they turned out in general. I consider them my three worst paintjobs even though they aren't nearly done. I probably won't ever finish them either



I am definitely going to do pallid hand justice one of these days, just not with these three. These sculpts simply aren't very good looking up close. should have examined the photos on Etsy a bit more before ordering them. The paintjob looks slightly better in person than it does over the phone, but even it is still pretty damn bad. Cursed prints lmao

 

[p1138]

Considering the history of GW and the amount of cross-pollination there has been twixt the various nerd worlds, that is pretty gross. Call it Case #26884072 of litigious corporate shit bags making fun things objectively worse for no reason, I guess. Hard to see that not just back firing, it certainly makes me want to consider just buying Chinesium or Russtinium 3d prints out of spite.

Might as well buy recasts, GW isn't your friend. But you also have to remember, lots of other companies do this shit too. There's a reason every background character in star wars gets a name like Glup Shitto or whatever, because it can be trademarked. GI Joe? You bet every one of those characters is trademarked. Pathfinder the TTRPG did a revision for their 2e(so now it's 2e revised) basically pulling the last of the verbiage out of the game that was related to the D&D OGL and also converting as much of it as they could to trademarked names, races, languages, etc. instead of just "gnoll language". About the only time you'll see a company not do something like this, is if they're making it obvious they're pulling directly from history(basically any historical war game) or directly from the mythology of some culture(like Conquest has their new sorceror king faction with rakshasa and maharajas and shit). Even Hasbro had to do it with some transformers names where they let shit lapse or the trademark offices decided the terms were too generic so some of the characters permanently have "autobot" or "decepticon" attached to their name as a prefix.

You mention it backfiring, and it absolutely did backfire on GW. Like I said, they lost most of the case and having to rebrand a bunch of shit adds up on the business side of things. Re-doing art, making sure authors are using the new correct terms, updating packaging, etc. And of course the reality is that now with 3d printing being commonly available... people just sell and trade STLs of all of the types of shit Chapterhouse was making in the first place with GW having to chase down the most obviously copyright/trademark violating shit with their legal teams sending C&D notices. Hell, I know one recaster off the top of my head that's made so much from GW's shit that they're actually in the process of becoming a legit business for doing medium batch to mass production runs for products now(like you're producing a physical boardgame and need minis produced for it or something).

 

[East_Clintwood]

What's you guys' favorite chapter color to paint?

Space Wolves grey, but the proper old school dark stormcloud style not that faggoty almost duck egg blue shit they brought in in 5E

 

[Humble Architect]

I actually worked on some 3D prints to go along with my Deathshroud Bodyguard and did pallid hand scheme on them, but never added the copper details or finished the weapons which are still just plain leadbelcher base. The resin was super weak in these prints for some reason and so a lot of small pieces like spikes and skulls kept easily breaking off during basic handling, and some parts were broken in the trip through the mail as well.

I just really don't care for how they turned out in general. I consider them my three worst paintjobs even though they aren't nearly done. I probably won't ever finish them either

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I am definitely going to do pallid hand justice one of these days, just not with these three. These sculpts simply aren't very good looking up close. should have examined the photos on Etsy a bit more before ordering them. The paintjob looks slightly better in person than it does over the phone, but even it is still pretty damn bad. Cursed prints lmao

I really like the depiction of plague marines in the Siege of Terra stuff, just starting to get fucked up but their gear/armor is still what it was, they’ve got nightmarish green lenses and green dust is starting to gather in the recesses of the armor.

“Typhus, they had to call him that now.”

Warhawk really shows how damned they are, just as ruined as the TC, WE and EC.

 

[Male Idiot]

Shitto and his gay brother Slurpy Faggi and his husband Dr Butto needs a proper Custodes butt buddy. Analus'Rimmus'Erectus?

 

[Imperial Citizen]

it is so irritating that slaanesh is the god of beauty but all his servants look fucking ugly, not just normally but their aesthetics
i suppose it's too much to ask of GW to not be a bunch of pussies when it comes to portraying their beautiful degenerate sex rape god as a beautiful degenerate sex rape god

That’s the point. Slaanesh is supposed to be hideous. It is the power of Slaanesh to enthrall people into servitude, to make them believe that the ugly is beautiful.

The followers of Slaanesh are fat, scarred, disfigured, insane devotees that manipulate others into seeing them as beautiful.

Plus, focusing on sex appeal dilutes what Slaanesh is all about. Noise marines displaying addiction to sound, Myrmidesh Painbringers representing martial perfection, Glutos Orscollion being a feeder lolcow. These are aspects of Slaanesh that should be utilized more than boobs and sex.

 

[p1138]

That’s the point. Slaanesh is supposed to be hideous. It is the power of Slaanesh to enthrall people into servitude, to make them believe that the ugly is beautiful.

The followers of Slaanesh are fat, scarred, disfigured, insane devotees that manipulate others into seeing them as beautiful.

Plus, focusing on sex appeal dilutes what Slaanesh is all about. Noise marines displaying addiction to sound, Myrmidesh Painbringers representing martial perfection, Glutos Orscollion being a feeder lolcow. These are aspects of Slaanesh that should be utilized more than boobs and sex.

Exactly. Slaanesh is the god of excess. Not the god of sex, beauty, or anything like that. In fact, you could say the horrible looking "sexy" aspect is really just an allegory for women(and some men) who go to ridiculous extremes with shit like plastic surgery in an attempt to obtain beauty but as a result end up being fucking hideous. AoS models tend to do a better job of depicting this than the 40k stuff.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

I have had a lot of conversations about favorite Space Marine Legions & chapters but rarely, if ever specifically talk favorite (post-heresy) Chaos Space Marine Legions / Fallen Chapters.

What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?

My favorite is the Night Lords due to the fact that they kind of suck shit and have always seemed like the most half-cooked of the Traitor Legions. Petty criminals and emos that were inexplicably recruited in to the space marines and even as Chaos Marines they are kind of half-assed about it. I just find them sort of unintentionally funny:
The Legion of "Fuck you dad!"

Least favorite is EC, purely for aesthetic reasons. The coom marines set off my prudish gag reflex, though I do kind of like their color scheme.

 

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CSM legions?

I used to like the Sons of Malice / Malal, although they really feel like the Blood Ravens of CSM.

The Alpha Legion too, memelord CSM stuff. Would like to see some advancement of their "Maybe they're actually loyalist" fluff but GW will never do so (partially cause ADB and the BL cunts won't let cool things exist).

Night Lords and Iron Warriors of the main, not meme legions are interestingish. Black Legion is... ok if you don't mind Ultramarine CSM.

Of the least liked, I don't really like the 4 major god flavors -- World Eaters might be ok but I dislike their "where we're going we don't NEED armor" vibe. Nurgle is just meh. Thousand Sons are ok but I don't really like the Egyptian Vibe. EC is all but an abandoned subfaction now so no real interest.

Of all of them I think it'd be more fun to paint them up in their pre-heresey legion colors. World Eaters in blue and white with blood splatter is infinitely more interesting than "hey look we're the Khorne Marines who Khorne the Khorne Khorne."