Warhammer 40k

[p1138]

Also the discourse around "no good guys in 40k" thing has kicked up again, which I always found bizarre. Only the Imperium is working towards a future where humans exist, so in my books they're the (relative) good guys despite all the genocide, slavery, etc

Well sure, except you need to understand that these idiots are incapable of considering the circumstances. Good guys by current day moral standards? Fuck no. Good guys in the sense that everything else in the galaxy wants humanity dead and has been trying pretty hard for the past 15,000 years or so, yeah.

"But human slavery, and fascism"

These people don't know that dark eldar want to turn you into an ever living cuck chair for their own amusement after raping you to death a few dozen times. They don't know that chaos worship makes you grow tentacles and shit if the gods actually like you enough, assuming you don't get eaten and damned to an eternity of torment first. They don't understand that tyranids want to scour the galaxy of all biomass, or that most necrons want to eliminate everything from what they consider their lawn with weaponry that slowly disintegrates you at a molecular level. It's more like

"Oooh, kink elves. Chaos, fight the power! Look at the cute bugs! Oh, it's like The Terminator except they aren't Arnold" is about the surface level understanding these people have of the setting.

 

[Tears In Rain]

A lot of surface levels "fans" woobify 40K factions, most of them don't read the books. They get their lore from memes, and podcasts that are full of unoffensive limp wrists.

 

[Kharash]

I'm happy for SM2 being so well recieved (the company standard scene was absolute kino) but with the popularity spike I'm seeing a lot of retarded takes and people arguing to soften the setting to match their Disney Soy Wars tastes. Normies stay out reeeee

Also the discourse around "no good guys in 40k" thing has kicked up again, which I always found bizarre. Only the Imperium is working towards a future where humans exist, so in my books they're the (relative) good guys despite all the genocide, slavery, etc.

Fuck elves and space smurfs, team mankind all the way

That's always funny to me, like GW hasn't shat out dozens, (probably even hundreds by this point) of novels with Imperium protagonists you're obviously supposed to root for.
Also for some reason the tourists always want to be represented in the fascist Imperium. Diversity is paramount in the """fascist satire""" faction because there's only one race, the human race!
Maybe this is just crazy talk but wouldn't it be far more fitting for the Imperium to constantly lose because they flat out refuse to employ all the manpower they have because they're just that racist? Wouldn't that be more fitting for your "satire" you so desperately want? Can't have that though, that would be racist.

 

[OJ Simpson]

How is the pve mode in SM2? I didn't have much interest in the game to begin with but since I've started looking more into it I learned about operations and some horde mode coming soon. I loved Aliens: Fireteam Elite and enjoyed what I've experienced with World War Z. I'd be willing to take a chance but really I just want to know what the future looks like and if the game will be supported for a while down the line more than anything.

 

[NerdShamer]

makes you grow tentacles and shit if the gods actually like you enough

This is literally in both of the Space Marine games. Less so, in the first one

hey don't understand that tyranids want to scour the galaxy of all biomass

This is explicitly stated in the promotional material and implied thoroughly the first half of the game

that most necrons want to eliminate everything from what they consider their lawn with weaponry that slowly disintegrates you at a molecular level

Obviously, this is literally any episode of the Pariah Nexus. But that shit's paywalled.

How is the pve mode in SM2?

Kind of depends on how good you are at sticking together with your teammates, tbh

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

Was wanting to ask; which W40K game do you guys think is the best in general? I've been thinking about grabbing one of them, but I'm not entirely sure as of yet; SM2 looks great, but I keep hearing people on here bitching that it's "woke" somehow. I've heard Boltgun is solid, but I haven't heard much on that one at all. Same with Rouge Trader.

Any suggestions?

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Was wanting to ask; which W40K game do you guys think is the best in general? I've been thinking about grabbing one of them, but I'm not entirely sure as of yet; SM2 looks great, but I keep hearing people on here bitching that it's "woke" somehow. I've heard Boltgun is solid, but I haven't heard much on that one at all. Same with Rouge Trader.

Any suggestions?

Depends on what you want really. Darktide and Rogue Trader are still my top most 40k played games whenever I have time. I’ll still do some fun little Dawn of War games, there’s even the Apocalypse mod that lets you bring in titans. I’ve played some Mechanicus, something about it left me thinking it’s “meh” and I’ll generally just stick to Xcom or Rogue Trader if I want a similar game design.

Also the discourse around "no good guys in 40k" thing has kicked up again, which I always found bizarre. Only the Imperium is working towards a future where humans exist, so in my books they're the (relative) good guys despite all the genocide, slavery, etc.

It’s just people being upset and bringing in their dumb real world politics in the setting. You can point out that any world can technically be a modern libtard dream world so long as it pays its tithes but they just want to talk about how Nazis are bad over and over again and if you’re okay with the Imperium then you’re a Nazi. And they don’t play any of the tabletop they just buy a box to paint it in gay colors for updoots

 

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Was wanting to ask; which W40K game do you guys think is the best in general? I've been thinking about grabbing one of them, but I'm not entirely sure as of yet; SM2 looks great, but I keep hearing people on here bitching that it's "woke" somehow. I've heard Boltgun is solid, but I haven't heard much on that one at all. Same with Rouge Trader.

Any suggestions?

There's sliding scales of "woke." "Woke", Woke, and Woke.

"Woke" is just shit like "has a female main character" or "mentions gay people exist." "Woke" is mostly, I am absolutely certain, SA trolls and the like trying to get people pissed at shit being released. Woke is actual woke shit, like them making the game stop so they can lecture the player on how the Emperor would never care about race and you're no son of mankind if you do (stares at camera). Woke is shit like Concord or Dustborn, where multiple people are actively pushing the current day californian shit at the expense of everything else -- and worse, doing it badly -- and the entire game is just a thinly veiled attempt at encapsulating the message.

The argument that SM2 is woke is "it has minorities and you know you I mean we chuds hate that." So it's "woke." As in, people suggesting that are either confused or trolling. (Yes, there's a lore based argument the Sons of Guilliman should all look Roman, so a Black and Asian Ultrasmurf is a bit odd, but at this point who the hell cares.) It's only a matter of time before we get some Woke or even Woke 40k game given how they're being targeted for Entryism by fucking everyone, but so far, Cadia stands.

40k games that good to snag...

Dawn of War 1 and 2 should be on your list, and I hear that Dawn of War 3 aged surprisingly well. All three just got a huge sale and relaunch as "anniversary editions" with a rumor that they might be doing a Dawn of War 4 soon whispering in the warp. Mechanicus is good but man I had trouble getting into some of it. I hear Gradius is pretty good! I hear Battlesector isn't bad. The upcoming Total Warhammer 40k will rule, but it's not out or even officially announced yet.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

Noobs or satelites because lets be fair these people are going in with the intention to ruin a hobby and fandom purely so we will hate them because they are professional victims who live on Xitter all day. These people have no concept of nuance either or the fact that 40ks slogan is in the future there is only war. Honestly just ignore them but retards like Arch and Endymion are just grifters and will continually respond not knowing that if you ignore them, they will fuck off because they crave attention. These fucks find no joy in nothing only destruction meanwhile we look at models and then research ways to paint and colour. I have a norn emissary to pain in the next weeks, I just bought it because they look dope as hell. I am just finishing making the dealth leaper and that model is just so well done, a bit of a bugger to make and there is always a slight gap in the back so you need to green stuff it but its a stunning model with one of the most unique silohuettes in 40k models.

Thank you btw I was going to actually get dawn of war 1 -3. If that total war 40k will be done well then it will do gangbusters but we have been wanting one for ages, imagine nids or necrons in that game.

 

[The tired cat]

Was wanting to ask; which W40K game do you guys think is the best in general? I've been thinking about grabbing one of them, but I'm not entirely sure as of yet; SM2 looks great, but I keep hearing people on here bitching that it's "woke" somehow. I've heard Boltgun is solid, but I haven't heard much on that one at all. Same with Rouge Trader.

Any suggestions?

I'd say Chaos Gate DaemonHunters isn't bad, if you want a sort off Xcom game and play as the Gray Knights.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Sorry if I missed anything. Read highlights of the last 60 pages. I want to ask about 3rd edition. But first-

Also the discourse around "no good guys in 40k" thing has kicked up again, which I always found bizarre. Only the Imperium is working towards a future where humans exist, so in my books they're the (relative) good guys despite all the genocide, slavery, etc.

Tau got a lot of shit back in the day. Supposedly they were too goody goody for a grimdark future. Even One Page Rules gets the criticism that it's not grim dark enough. At a certain point, it just gets absurd.

Was wanting to ask; which W40K game do you guys think is the best in general? I've been thinking about grabbing one of them, but I'm not entirely sure as of yet; SM2 looks great, but I keep hearing people on here bitching that it's "woke" somehow. I've heard Boltgun is solid, but I haven't heard much on that one at all. Same with Rouge Trader.

Any suggestions?

Space Marine 1 I remember being a fun action game, but not tried it in years. Dawn of War Dark Crusade is great if you can get it to work. Especially with the Firestorm Over Kronus mod. Mechanicus is great too, if a little difficult early on.


I was looking into 3rd edition recently. I have a soft spot for it due to personal nostalgia. I think I still have my old rule book and Tau codex. According to the internet, it's trivial to find third edition codexs cheap, so much so that it's possible to get a complete set for less than the cost of the 10th edition core rules. Personally, I'm mostly interested in guard, necrons, cityfight, and armageddon. That last one I remember being a big deal when it released. There are other books I'm interested in, but those are the main ones.

However, only a few books like space marine and tau are cheap. The rest are asking over £15 on ebay. For what it's worth, I doubt I'll ever actually play it. And I don't know if my local GW even allows anything that's not current edition to be played. There's also the issue of getting templates and scatter dice. I'm also curious as to how easy it is to homebrew out things people hate about the game in current year.

 

[NerdShamer]

but I keep hearing people on here bitching that it's "woke" somehow

The Imperial Guard officer is dark skinned has an vaguely Russian accent. One of your squadmates is an nigger who chimps out, but Titus reprimands him over the course of the next mission. There's also the character creation for multiplayer, but nobody cares about that shit.

Other than that, SM2 is just an power fantasy. For the good games, it's starts off with Dawn of War and it kind of ends with Boltgun and SM2. Deathwing isn't exactly bringing much of anything to the table unless you're playing it with some friends and Battlesector just kinda exists.

 

[p1138]

This is literally in both of the Space Marine games. Less so, in the first one

This is explicitly stated in the promotional material and implied thoroughly the first half of the game

Obviously, this is literally any episode of the Pariah Nexus. But that shit's paywalled.

Kind of depends on how good you are at sticking together with your teammates, tbh

And you think people pay attention to any of that? I've seen people not understand in operations that you can break boxes to find armor, medpacks, and ammo as recent as a few hours ago. People in general are fucking dumb and don't pay attention to shit.

 

[OJ Simpson]

And you think people pay attention to any of that? I've seen people not understand in operations that you can break boxes to find armor, medpacks, and ammo as recent as a few hours ago. People in general are fucking dumb and don't pay attention to shit.

I'm anal about checking every nook and cranny in games to leave no stone unturned; on the flipside I have people I know who just rush to the exit in these sorts of games and get frustrated and rage quit because "it sucks" or "it's not fun". Tbh if I got this game I'd probably play operations with bots. I have no patience for people who play games just to run from point a to point b and get frustrated that they were ever expected to zig instead of zag.

 

[Rick The Stick]

How is the pve mode in SM2? I didn't have much interest in the game to begin with but since I've started looking more into it I learned about operations and some horde mode coming soon. I loved Aliens: Fireteam Elite and enjoyed what I've experienced with World War Z. I'd be willing to take a chance but really I just want to know what the future looks like and if the game will be supported for a while down the line more than anything.

PVE is fun for what it is but is lacking. There's only 6 operations and they're just mirrors of what happened in the background during the campaign missions.

And you think people pay attention to any of that? I've seen people not understand in operations that you can break boxes to find armor, medpacks, and ammo as recent as a few hours ago. People in general are fucking dumb and don't pay attention to shit.

This was apparently such a hidden pro tip that the devs made it one of their daily messages after the patch. Along with a gem like "prioritize your items that way the people who really need them get it". People really are fucking dumb.

I'm anal about checking every nook and cranny in games to leave no stone unturned; on the flipside I have people I know who just rush to the exit in these sorts of games and get frustrated and rage quit because "it sucks" or "it's not fun". Tbh if I got this game I'd probably play operations with bots. I have no patience for people who play games just to run from point a to point b and get frustrated that they were ever expected to zig instead of zag.

Ops with bots is the safest bet if you don't have a group because, like you said, you don't need to worry about randos wasting your time. But the devs are pants on head retarded and think if the bots were any better than they are, which is "serviceable" at best as far as picking you up goes, they'd somehow out perform the player. Even though I still see bots standing still and not doing anything while I've got a pair of zoanthrope, a massive horde, 5 warriors and a lichtor up my ass because RNGesus decided I need to pay penance for something.

They're also stuck being the default, bare bones version of whatever classes the game randomly selects to back you up.
So if you've got a maxed out Heavy and tactical with the optimal perks, and they'd be great to have on your team? Too bad. You get the Sniper and Vanguard with no perks and the level 1 weapons. Have fun.

 

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Well sure, except you need to understand that these idiots are incapable of considering the circumstances. Good guys by current day moral standards? Fuck no. Good guys in the sense that everything else in the galaxy wants humanity dead and has been trying pretty hard for the past 15,000 years or so, yeah.

"But human slavery, and fascism"

These people don't know that dark eldar want to turn you into an ever living cuck chair for their own amusement after raping you to death a few dozen times. They don't know that chaos worship makes you grow tentacles and shit if the gods actually like you enough, assuming you don't get eaten and damned to an eternity of torment first. They don't understand that tyranids want to scour the galaxy of all biomass, or that most necrons want to eliminate everything from what they consider their lawn with weaponry that slowly disintegrates you at a molecular level. It's more like

"Oooh, kink elves. Chaos, fight the power! Look at the cute bugs! Oh, it's like The Terminator except they aren't Arnold" is about the surface level understanding these people have of the setting.

The best argument one can make about good guys is that there is no "global" faction. 40k is a nigger galaxy where every race is out for itself.

Chaos in general has a lot of simps who try to argue around it being intrinsically evil. They usually try to argue about freedom or some shit, despite Chaos even rivalling Eldar in "fuck you got mine".

 

[NerdShamer]

And you think people pay attention to any of that?

ADHD isn't real.

 

[Male Idiot]

You can make an argument that the Imperium, Eldar, and Tau are "less bad" guys.

They don't genocide you for the kicks, they need a reason first, no matter how flimsy it may appear to the MODERN AUDIENCE.
Chaos, DE? They'll do it for the fun of it. Orks kind of will too, but they don't get it that you aren't consenting to a fun WAAAGH time. Nids are just hungry. I guess new crons are somewhere in the middle. I don't know about the Space Dorf 2.0: Vooooootan because it is just so nu-40k, but they maybe less bad guys too.

SJWs can't into circumstances and nuance, so they will find them all evil except Chaos/DE 'cause "muh valid self expression" . With orks and nids you can say it is their nature, but Chaos and Dark Eldar are just plain evil. Freedom and using it to curbstomp babies for fun is not a good use of said freedom, not even if they got le heckerino muscle mommy abs.

Sm1-2 is good, Dawn of war 1-2 is good, BFGA1-2 is good, Mechanicus and Rogue Trader is good. Darktide maybe too, not sure on that. Deathwatch and Inquisitor Martyr are more janky but okey. Dow3 is...well, we don't talk about it.

 

[p1138]

I don't know about the Space Dorf 2.0: Vooooootan because it is just so nu-40k, but they maybe less bad guys too.

Hell, they still don't have any lore other than something about being weird clones or some shit? And their votan computer things that might be STCs are laggy because they need a reboot after millennia or something. You would think that what is basically a new faction would launch with... I dunno, a book other than the codex with it's little 1 paragraph bits of lore would make sense but all they got so far is a short story that's mostly about necrons if I remember right. Such a half-assed thing, might as well ignore them if GW themselves ignores them.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

What difficulty are you playing on? I found the actual story to be pretty bog standard, but hey it's about ultra smurfs it's to be expected. I actually found the campaign to be super fun on normal, not overly difficult and with some dumb fun setpieces. I couldn't help but smile throughout the whole final mission leading up to the warp segment. It really reminded me of old 2010's era CoD campaigns.

It's not about the difficulty it's about the fact that it doesn't even work. One of our guys couldn't even see because it wouldn't render any character models unless he switched to windowed mode or full screen. He would have to keep switching back and forth every time it had to load in a new zone or a cutscene. The game struggles to run at 60 even with upscaling tricks, and the visuals aren't high res enough to justify it. The game will randomly switch weapons around like a roulette wheel when someone picks up a new gun. I picked up a plasma pistol but instead it gave it to a friend who was across the room and gave me his weapon instead. The parry indicator is fucking useless because half the time it's a false positive and the enemy never actually does a melee attack, and it lies about the timing. The game says giant blue circle means to press parry, but if you press parry when it tells you to half the time Titus wont do anything at all, the other half he'll whiff in the air because the actual attack is going to happen sometime between now and tomorrow and you don't know when or if that random Hormagaunt in the crowd of 50 actually plans on jumping you or if the game is just alerting you so it'll trick you into parrying and leave you open to get mauled. The same applies for dodging. Even when I decide to ignore the red ring and dodge manually the attack locks on to your character anyways so dodging only means I get hit about a foot away instead of standing still. I don't know why they even bothered with this overly complicated system if it doesn't even work. Everyone else seems to have it figured out but this multi-million dollar game can't figure out how to make the character do a thing when the player pushes a button.

Enemies don't even respond to getting hacked in half by a chain sword so all melee fights are just a DPS race to hope that they stop spawning before you die. The Hormagaunts will only get staggered by a heavy finisher, and the 3 combo finisher is the only one that goes aoe around you so it's the only one that actually offers any protection. But it's so far into a chain that you're still eating damage most of the time and there's really nothing you can do about it. They removed all incentive to melee since melee doesn't restore health anymore. Sometimes it'll restore a single pip of armor, but when that doesn't even account for half of your actual health it may as well be nothing. They will spawn thousands of Tyranids but only let you hold about a hundred rounds. They spent all this tech on porting the giant swarms from WWZ but if god forbid you want to have some fun shooting them you're throwing away ammo that the game is super stingy on. This is I assume their way to force you to melee even though the first game figure out that restoring health is melee was already a good enough incentive. I can't hold four weapons to have any variety I have to play it like call of duty and get railroaded into one or two options. There is no logic or flow to the levels so there is no way to crowd control. You can't funnel enemies into choke points, you can't take cover because all Termagants will literally shoot through walls if you even try. So again, it feels like the game is entirely a DPS race to kill everything off before it kills you since you get maybe one stim to share before a fight, and the only health that you can regain otherwise is the tiny bit of armor. Executions don't even restore armor which is actually insane.

We did play it on Veteran mode but lowering the difficulty wont help fix any of the game's problems. It's a bad game. It's not going to bring back any of the missing features, it wont fix the obvious bugs, it wont fix the parry/dodging, and it's not going to fix the shitty mission design. I get that this is the Warhammer dick sucking club so people are going to say it's good even when it's not, but I'm not going to eat shit and tell you it tastes like steak. They're a multi-million dollar company. They don't need people making excuses for them. And people saying "um actually the game is good" is pointless because I played the game myself and I know they're lying. There's no excuse for why this game couldn't have been good but we're willing to put up with a half finished game that barely runs and requires you to play through Epic even if you got it on Steam. It has three PvP maps, no customization at all for Chaos, it made you wait 4 days before you were allowed to play the game you bought because you didn't preorder the correct version of the game, and even though it barely has enough content to qualify as a game they still expect you to shill out $40 for their fucking season pass. Until people are willing to be more critical of the things they like and expect better they're only going to keep lowering the bar and charging more.