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Just finished Assassinorum: Kingmaker because I was wondering what Robert Rath would do for a second full 40k book, it wasn't as good as the Infinite and the Divine but it was still mostly decent.
Plot was basically a vindicare, a callidus, and a vanus have to infiltrate a knight world that's refusing to take part in the Indomitus Crusade, kill the reigning monarch, and replace him with one that's more pro Imperium. There is a twist in the last half involving some chaos knights which turns it into less of a assassin book more knight on knight mech fights. but they did manage to balance the two parts fairly well, there was a part that kind of gave me Infinite and Divine flashbacks where after killing the king there's a brief montage of a council of nobles nominating a new candidate and trio immediately killing said nominations until they get the one they want which did remind me of when Trazyn and Orikan back and forth of steal the others shit, but unfortunately that part was kind of short.

There where two things that kinda rubbed me the wrong way:
-First was that the callidus and vanus (both female) don't trust the vindicare leading them (male) to come up with a plan more complicated then taking a pot shot 2 miles away at first and try to manipulate him into doing what they want so I was expecting the book to be mainly "YES WYMYN SLAY". But this actually gets dealt with a few chapters after its introduced with the vindicare quickly realizing what their doing, forces them into a corner to admit that they're try to manipulate him, and gets them to knock it off and actually work together.
-Second issue is probably more damning especially if I was more familiar with knight lore but the callidus assassin is able to somewhat pilot a Armigers Knight by disguising herself as the pilot and convincing the spirts/ghost inside it that's she's totally the real pilot and not a skinswalker using polymorphine.
 
vern said:
-First was that the callidus and vanus (both female) don't trust the vindicare leading them (male) to come up with a plan more complicated then taking a pot shot 2 miles away at first and try to manipulate him into doing what they want so I was expecting the book to be mainly "YES WYMYN SLAY". But this actually gets dealt with a few chapters after its introduced with the vindicare quickly realizing what their doing, forces them into a corner to admit that they're try to manipulate him, and gets them to knock it off and actually work together.
-Second issue is probably more damning especially if I was more familiar with knight lore but the callidus assassin is able to somewhat pilot a Armigers Knight by disguising herself as the pilot and convincing the spirts/ghost inside it that's she's totally the real pilot and not a skinswalker using polymorphine.
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The first part I think it's a subversion and quite simply didn't need to be there. The second part I think Vanus supplied the Callidus with the shit she needs to get the machine spirits not to go crazy on her.
 
This is not how I picture Tarik Torgaddon. I think of him like a long-haired Captain Price.

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I just finished False Gods, and thought it was supremely based how Horus gave Ignace Karkasy the Vince Foster treatment for talking shit about Astartes.
 
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Meat Target said:
This is not how I picture Tarik Torgaddon. I think of him like a long-haired Captain Price.

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I just finished False Gods, and thought it was supremely based how Horus gave Ignace Karkasy the Vince Foster treatment for talking shit about Astartes.
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While I liked False Gods, I did kinda scratch my head at where the Chaos Demons essentially pull a "Oh, we aren't evil! Yer daddy is just being cray-cray and wants to wreck our world!" and Horus buys that shit instantly.
 
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I'll still take that over trying to glue on shoulder sockets at the same time as the hands, gun, and gun attachment. I have to pinch the model from multiple different angles and hope it doesn't come apart when I rip my glued on fingers off. I really didn't enjoy building my immortals.
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Man do I ever feel this. I have a Strike Marines box to assemble ASAP and 75% of arm poses involves the model holding a melee weapon in front of himself with both hands. Also makes painting the chest details a pain in the ass. I usually glue the arms onto the torso first and then hope of the best by gluing on the hands/weapon last.
 
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The tired cat said:
While I liked False Gods, I did kinda scratch my head at where the Chaos Demons essentially pull a "Oh, we aren't evil! Yer daddy is just being cray-cray and wants to wreck our world!" and Horus buys that shit instantly.
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I didn't get that impression at all. At least not within the confines of the book.

They buttered up Horus' ego while making him feel used, unappreciated, and abandoned by the Emperor. They got him to think, "I'm out here fighting all these wars while Daddy has fucked off back to Terra to do whatever! What gives?"

And they did so through Erebus, who has been a manipulative asshole since childhood.
 
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Fatboi Gus said:
Man do I ever feel this. I have a Strike Marines box to assemble ASAP and 75% of arm poses involves the model holding a melee weapon in front of himself with both hands. Also makes painting the chest details a pain in the ass. I usually glue the arms onto the torso first and then hope of the best by gluing on the hands/weapon last.
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Subassembly painting. Glue arms and hands together and then paint them separate from the body. Might want to just paint the arms first so you can hold on to the plastic by the weapon. Then glue everything and paint the weapon.
 
So the Distributionist made a video ‘40 Lessons from Warhammer 40k’ in which the self-titled reactionary learns nothing from Warhammer 40k.

He seems to think that the lesson from Warhammer is that the maintenance of an ordered and prosperous civilization is awareness of threats within and without, to fight those threats when they emerge, and to dedicate yourself to something higher and more spiritual than yourself.

What he seems to not understand is that these lessons come from the Imperium of Man. A civilization which is “the bloodiest and cruelest regime imaginable”. An empire built by a tyrant with delusions of an automatic right to rule the species. The faithful are mad zealots, the divinely ordained elite are incestous, corrupt, greedy individuals, and the masses toil to build war machines for unending conflicts.

Even more baffling is his lesson from Konrad Curze: “Death is nothing compared to vindication”. He says uses that quote to say that while all lives are essentially meaningless, one’s efforts can be used to support a cause greater than themselves. I don’t know why he uses that quote, because Curze used it to justify his murder, claiming that all his brutal murders were justified since the Imperium had to kill him.

Another “lesson” which sums up the Distributionist’s aims with this video is a lesson that Nurgle represents democracy. Nurgle is apparently about upsetting the natural order rather than the infinite cycle of decay and growth until all is simultaneously both. And if this guy views representative government as nauseating as a Great Unclean One, then may Grandfather Nurgle grant the Distributionist his greatest blessings.
 
The tired cat said:
While I liked False Gods, I did kinda scratch my head at where the Chaos Demons essentially pull a "Oh, we aren't evil! Yer daddy is just being cray-cray and wants to wreck our world!" and Horus buys that shit instantly.
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For better or worse, the main issue of early HH is the absolute breakneck speed of events and plot, only to switch to glacial pace when GW understood they have a goldmine. Also the idea of convincing Horus the Imperium is a bad idea by using current day Imperium is genius.
Imperial Citizen said:
So the Distributionist made a video ‘40 Lessons from Warhammer 40k’ in which the self-titled reactionary learns nothing from Warhammer 40k.

He seems to think that the lesson from Warhammer is that the maintenance of an ordered and prosperous civilization is awareness of threats within and without, to fight those threats when they emerge, and to dedicate yourself to something higher and more spiritual than yourself.

What he seems to not understand is that these lessons come from the Imperium of Man. A civilization which is “the bloodiest and cruelest regime imaginable”. An empire built by a tyrant with delusions of an automatic right to rule the species. The faithful are mad zealots, the divinely ordained elite are incestous, corrupt, greedy individuals, and the masses toil to build war machines for unending conflicts.

Even more baffling is his lesson from Konrad Curze: “Death is nothing compared to vindication”. He says uses that quote to say that while all lives are essentially meaningless, one’s efforts can be used to support a cause greater than themselves. I don’t know why he uses that quote, because Curze used it to justify his murder, claiming that all his brutal murders were justified since the Imperium had to kill him.

Another “lesson” which sums up the Distributionist’s aims with this video is a lesson that Nurgle represents democracy. Nurgle is apparently about upsetting the natural order rather than the infinite cycle of decay and growth until all is simultaneously both. And if this guy views representative government as nauseating as a Great Unclean One, then may Grandfather Nurgle grant the Distributionist his greatest blessings.
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Like I said before, there is no lesson to be learned from 40k since it's an arbitrary future made by writers to be excessively grim dark and limited in options. The Imperium is the only way for humanity purely by how stacked the deck against it and how fracturing will make its slow reactions even slower.
 
It'll be two months since the release, but I'm still annoyed that GW did not make it explicit that the hardback copies of Renegades: Harrowmaster were a limited run. Such horse crap. I really wanted a hardback copy.
 
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The first part I think it's a subversion and quite simply didn't need to be there. The second part I think Vanus supplied the Callidus with the shit she needs to get the machine spirits not to go crazy on her.
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and I checked again and the Vanus's main contribution was suggesting the Callidus change her brain folds/structure to match the pilots as well as make it look like it was recently damaged to explain any minor differences, the rest was the pilot teacher her the 12 hour long bonding ritual and ancestor recollection.
I might call BS on polymorphine doing that much but apparently it can change the user to an ork or a gene stealer so probably not so unlikely as I thought.
 
Y'know, I heard about Warhammer 40k and I went down the rabbit hole. I started with the wiki, then I watched a ton of lore videos on YouTube. It's all fascinating, the dark future, the chaos gods, the imperium of man, the immaterum, the god emperor, the tyrannids, everything. Truly fascinating. But then a thought struck me. "Wait a minute" I said to myself. "How do you play the fucking game?"
 
Meat Target said:
I just finished False Gods, and thought it was supremely based how Horus gave Ignace Karkasy the Vince Foster treatment for talking shit about Astartes.
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The Astartes had it coming though. IIRC what ticked off Karkasy and the remembrancers hard was the Mournival rampaging through the hangar deck to get Horus to the infirmary after he got shanked by the anathame. Its not stated outright but from my understanding the crews were hosing people off the walls and floor from how brutally they smashed through the crowd, and they didn't even have the balls to apologize or offer up any sort of mea culpa, which pissed off even the commander of all the non-Astartes forces in the fleet from the blatant disregard towards him and everyone else.

Christ, even Loken realizes things have gone way too far when the lodge comes to him saying they want to dump all the blame on Torgaddon, and all they need is for Loken to be the one to slide the knife in.
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And they did so through Erebus, who has been a manipulative asshole since childhood.
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Such a manipulative asshole he killed another kid and stole his identity to go join the priesthood, where he eventually wound up embracing Chaos because they're the only douchebags as big as he is.
 
Cyclonus said:
"How do you play the fucking game?"
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Get a rule book.
Pick a faction.
Pick that faction's codex (and/or supplement).
Learn the play style of your faction
- Watch battle reports of other people playing your faction to get a better grasp on their strengths, weaknesses, and strategies.
Lastly, find an opponent. Good luck.
 
Here's another question. Why pay hundreds for stupid figurines that aren't even painted when you could just play the game like this?

 
There are TWO FLGS within easy walking distance from me and I'm such a reclusive turboautist that I can't bring myself to go visit.

Granted, that would require I actually assemble my armies or at least a Necromunda Gang / Warcry Band (I guess that's the Necro equivalent?) / Kill Team.


Speaking of an infinitely growing gray tide, did I miss out on the 40k Christmas Boxes? I never saw them appear on the site.
 
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The Astartes had it coming though. IIRC what ticked off Karkasy and the remembrancers hard was the Mournival rampaging through the hangar deck to get Horus to the infirmary after he got shanked by the anathame. Its not stated outright but from my understanding the crews were hosing people off the walls and floor from how brutally they smashed through the crowd, and they didn't even have the balls to apologize or offer up any sort of mea culpa, which pissed off even the commander of all the non-Astartes forces in the fleet from the blatant disregard towards him and everyone else.

Christ, even Loken realizes things have gone way too far when the lodge comes to him saying they want to dump all the blame on Torgaddon, and all they need is for Loken to be the one to slide the knife in.
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While it was a bad incident, there were already a lot of people unhappy with the astartes having carte blanche in their war and the couple of legions that basically annihilate entire world populations until what remains get accepted into the Imperium. While the Astartes themselves had their problems with becoming either stuck on Garrison duty or becoming Thunder Warriors 2.0.

Honestly I kinda wish for early HH to be more morally grey since the Astartes have a point in fearing for their future, only for their later acts making them completely irredimable.
 
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