Warhammer 40k

[The tired cat]

So ya guys here are busy fighting, I got a question. Would the Megatrakk Scrapjet be a good enough fo a 40k Tourney?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Letting the Legion leaders do the diplomacy was a mistake, obviously. They're not diplomats; the Primarchs were born to be killing machines. What kind of moron lets killing machines do the diplomacy?

Good thing they brought tons of orators and bureaucrats with the crusade, another big plot point in HH.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Good thing they brought tons of orators and bureaucrats with the crusade, another big plot point in HH.

Not diplomats. Bureaucrats are there to manage statistics, orators are there for artistic or propaganda purposes. So they're just getting ready to take over and have the bureaucrats start counting how much they get, and orators are there to talk propaganda instead of discussing a tit-for-tat trade.

So you've got war machines that are walking threats, (Primarchs, Space Marines) orators who are propagandists, and bureaucrats who are probably going to take a census on how much stuff they'll take if these factions are absorbed into the Imperium. Not very diplomatic, if you ask me.

 

[Meat Target]

 

[ZMOT]

Gameplay trailer has dropped
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yL7QMAbCXg4Only a few weapons shown off. Power Sword, Thunder Hammer, Chainsword and a couple bolted variants. You can also get some version of the jump pack but it’s not shown if its some kind of armour upgrade or just for a single level like Space Marine 1.
I want to see flamer weapons this game and some kind of horde mode in multiplayer would be cool. For the love of god no Chaos though, Tyranids and maybe GSC are a large enough threat to carry the story.

>"we are the angels of death"
>ultrasmurfs

dropped

Why won't they make a 40k game that emulates the tabletop experience?

because no one plays 40k for it's rules when you can literally play anything else without any or low entry cost

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

because no one plays 40k for it's rules when you can literally play anything else without any or low entry cost

Most 40K fanboys haven't played the actual tabletop game in ages. They mostly just survive off the books and maybe the video games, but most don't paint or play the actual fucking tabletop game because they're mad at GW for one reason or another, be it price hikes on the models or stamping out fan channels.

To be fair to the fans, it's not like GW has engendered lots of fan loyalty in the last few years:

So we really can't blame the fans for not touching the tabletop game with a ten-foot pole. At most, they might buy some dude's used army off Ebay, all painted and assembled right off the bat, so they won't have to paint or assemble said army themselves, and they won't have to give GW a single dime. And that's if said fan has a spare thousand dollars under the mattress that they're willing to part with.

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So the question is, if you have a thousand dollars to spend on Warhammer, what pre-painted army would you buy? Me, it's Dark Angels, Custodes, or Grey Knights. Mostly because I like the color green, but I also like silver or gold. Bonus points if the seller did a good job painting them.

 

[An Ghost]

Most 40K fanboys haven't played the actual tabletop game in ages. They mostly just survive off the books and maybe the video games, but most don't paint or play the actual fucking tabletop game because they're mad at GW for one reason or another, be it price hikes on the models or stamping out fan channels.

To be fair to the fans, it's not like GW has engendered lots of fan loyalty in the last few years:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ClJ2kqRoFwY
So we really can't blame the fans for not touching the tabletop game with a ten-foot pole. At most, they might buy some dude's used army off Ebay, all painted and assembled right off the bat, so they won't have to paint or assemble said army themselves, and they won't have to give GW a single dime. And that's if said fan has a spare thousand dollars under the mattress that they're willing to part with.

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So the question is, if you have a thousand dollars to spend on Warhammer, what pre-painted army would you buy? Me, it's Dark Angels, Custodes, or Grey Knights. Mostly because I like the color green, but I also like silver or gold.

every fandom thread you go to you just regurgitate culture war youtubers talking points and blind conjectures about finance. it's clear you don't actually enjoy things so i don't know why you do it.

 

[Zaryiu2]

>"we are the angels of death"
>ultrasmurfs

dropped

Or you can wait for the mods to play as a non Ultramarine like the first one has or had a mod to make your character a Blood Raven

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

every fandom thread you go to you just regurgitate culture war youtubers talking points and blind conjectures about finance. it's clear you don't actually enjoy things so i don't know why you do it.

Enjoy what? Paying the same company that clamps down on fans for making free commercials for them? Or paying the same company that keeps inflating the price tag for a hobby consisting of plastic soldiers?

Or you can wait for the mods to play as a non Ultramarine like the first one has or had a mod to make your character a Blood Raven

I'm sure they'll have a horde mode on release day where you can play as a Blood Angel or something. Or maybe they'll have it in the extras menu where you can change Captain Titus' armor colors to reflect the colors of whatever chapter the player wants.

 

[An Ghost]

Enjoy what? Paying the same company that clamps down on fans for making free commercials for them? Or paying the same company that keeps inflating the price tag for a hobby consisting of plastic soldiers?

So what's it matter to you if people want to play plastic soldiers? We had this same discussion over a year ago. Why are you harping the same points? Have things changed since you started?

You seem real upset kids are playing with their space soldiers the "wrong" way.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So what's it matter to you if people want to play plastic soldiers? We had this same discussion over a year ago. Why are you harping the same points? Have things changed since you started?

You misunderstand what I meant. If you want to spend more cash on GW products, then more power to you. Especially in times of chaos like these, do whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

I was just expanding upon the point made by a previous commenter:

because no one plays 40k for it's rules when you can literally play anything else without any or low entry cost

Which is true, in many cases.

I've met many 40K fans who are currently not players of the game. Some of them ramble on about the lore, others talk about their previous experiences with the game back when they played it, but many either don't play the game anymore, or have never even touched it. And many feel ripped off or disgusted by GW and feel like they're killing the hobby. Which is untrue, of course, since people still buy GW products, but as one of the videos I posted above shows, GW isn't aiming so much for fan retention, as they are aiming for new fans to come in.

And that pattern is nothing new; they ditched the fans of the original, dark comedy of Warhammer 40K First and Second Edition, for the "Grimdark" fans during Third Edition to Seventh Edition. And from 8th Edition onwards, they're aiming less for grimdark and more for superhero-like action with souped-up Space Marines that are superheroes when compared to the old marines. Basically, imagine them turning the Space Marines and the Sisters of Battle into an army of Space Avengers, come to save mankind from big bad monsters.

It's kind of like what's happening with western comic books, tabletop, and video gaming, where they're trying to aim for the newer audiences while barely keeping enough for the older audiences. I suppose it's not as much a trend with GW, as it is a trend with nerd media as a whole in the West.

 

[iceteayo]

If you still use the marvel boogey man as this excuse for Warhammer I can never take it seriously

 

[Meat Target]

You misunderstand what I meant. If you want to spend more cash on GW products, then more power to you. Especially in times of chaos like these, do whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

I was just expanding upon the point made by a previous commenter:

Which is true, in many cases.

I've met many 40K fans who are currently not players of the game. Some of them ramble on about the lore, others talk about their previous experiences with the game back when they played it, but many either don't play the game anymore, or have never even touched it. And many feel ripped off or disgusted by GW and feel like they're killing the hobby. Which is untrue, of course, since people still buy GW products, but as one of the videos I posted above shows, GW isn't aiming so much for fan retention, as they are aiming for new fans to come in.

And that pattern is nothing new; they ditched the fans of the original, dark comedy of Warhammer 40K First and Second Edition, for the "Grimdark" fans during Third Edition to Seventh Edition. And from 8th Edition onwards, they're aiming less for grimdark and more for superhero-like action with souped-up Space Marines that are superheroes when compared to the old marines. Basically, imagine them turning the Space Marines and the Sisters of Battle into an army of Space Avengers, come to save mankind from big bad monsters.

It's kind of like what's happening with western comic books, tabletop, and video gaming, where they're trying to aim for the newer audiences while barely keeping enough for the older audiences. I suppose it's not as much a trend with GW, as it is a trend with nerd media as a whole in the West.

I'm a newfag to the fandom, but it's a multimedia franchise that means different things to different people.

To me, the appeal of 40k is that the brutality is played straight but turned up to 11, which leads to both badassery and black comedy. It's funny not because it tries to be, in a "Joss Whedon wisecracks" way, but because the Imperium is an interstellar North Korea that does not give a fuck about human life.

It also handles Grimdark well because of this. It's not like GRRM's "boo hoo hoo everything sucks" kind.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm a newfag to the fandom, but it's a multimedia franchise that means different things to different people.

To me, the appeal of 40k is that the brutality is played straight but turned up to 11, which leads to both badassery and black comedy. It's funny not because it tries to be, in a "Joss Whedon wisecracks" way, but because the Imperium is an interstellar North Korea that does not give a fuck about human life.

That was always there, I suppose; it was somewhat of a dark comedy thing in Editions 1 and 2, and from Editions 3 to 7 it was meant to be serious. But there's very little of that now in the more modern 40K setting which makes the Space Marines and their allies more into a superhero army rather than enforcers of a dark regime that makes North Korea look like Switzerland by comparison. Look at any official media or trailer that came from GW ever since 8th Edition came by; it's mostly big guys fighting against unspeakable evils in the same manner as the MCU Avengers. Even if they don't have the Joss Whedon wisecracks, the same presentation style is still there.

 

[Meat Target]

That was always there, I suppose; it was somewhat of a dark comedy thing in Editions 1 and 2, and from Editions 3 to 7 it was meant to be serious. But there's very little of that now in the more modern 40K setting which makes the Space Marines and their allies more into a superhero army rather than enforcers of a dark regime that makes North Korea look like Switzerland by comparison.

I haven't gotten into the tabletop yet. I'm still reading HH novels, playing Space Marine, and deep-diving into the lore.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

If you still use the marvel boogey man as this excuse for Warhammer I can never take it seriously

It's not just Marvel; it's nerd media in the West in general. Tabletop, comics, video games, they're slowly moving away from what made old fans like it, and branching out into other markets and fandoms.

I haven't gotten into the tabletop yet. I'm still reading HH novels, playing Space Marine, and deep-diving into the lore.

There are three generations of the Tabletop which caused a shift in the lore: the original generation, which is first and second edition 40K, and it focused on dark comedy as a satire of fascism. The second generation is the third to seventh edition, which made Warhammer 40K into a dark fantasy/sci-fi universe which gravitated away from the comedy and more into a serious grimdark tale. Then you have the modern generation, which is 8th edition onwards, the current generation, which is moving slowly towards a more action-heavy, superhero-style universe where the Space Marines, instead of brainwashed morons serving a dysfunctional regime, are superheroes saving mankind from big monsters.

Of course, they don't outright claim that the Imperium are good guys saving humanity from evil; they even recently made a statement going against that interpretation, but at the end of the day, from all the newer media that comes out, we see less and less of the dystopia of the Imperium and more "God of War" style bloodbaths where Imperium forces rip apart those who threaten mankind. Think Avengers, but remade for the M-rated crowd.

 

[Fools Idol]

I would assume because it would make models less necessary to play which equals less money for GW

GW is being retarded as per usual. The majority who buy models barely play the table top game, the models are basically just statues. I don't think there's much over lap between the two markets because the people who enjoy that part of the hobby will do it anyway. Any money they think they will lose would be more than made for by the increased number of people playing the game, buying DLC, microtransactions, etc.

 

[iceteayo]

GW is being retarded as per usual. The majority who buy models barely play the table top game, the models are basically just statues. I don't think there's much over lap between the two markets because the people who enjoy that part of the hobby will do it anyway. Any money they think they will lose would be more than made for by the increased number of people playing the game, buying DLC, microtransactions, etc.

Or the fact most Warhammer fans watch anything Warhammer but don’t paint or play or hobby in general and you have channels complaining about that where they don’t like Warhammer but are shocked as view counts over 2 videos.

 

[augment]

I would actually care about the space marine game if it was about anyone other than the boring ultramarines.
This steadfast dedication into pushing the blue boys as well as the even lamer imperial fists when just about every other successor chapter is more interesting or in possession of a character-defining quirk.

 

[Agarathium1066]

>"we are the angels of death"
>ultrasmurfs

dropped

Not much of a surprise you play a smurf in the first one. The main character and one of the secondaries were perhaps the most reasonably not-up-their-own-ass Ultra that existed in the universe. Naturally one of the plot beats was another Ultra getting pissant because you didn't follow the Codex close enough.

I was expecting the next game to have you playing in a Deathwatch squad since the story ends with the MC being in the custody of an Inquisitor. Though it may be a significant time skip and now you're out to give the bugs a squashing.