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Having played 10th I gotta say, wow it's bad. Maybe on a beginner level it's more friendly, but for more experienced players it's pretty baffling.

They hid that they were removing wargear costs and essentially moving to power level, which noone likes. Squad sizes are fixed now also so if you finish a list with 30pts to spare you can just eat a dick I guess.

Keywords are missing at random and basic things they messed up last edition (eg: minimum damage of 1) they managed to fuck up again.

Fly keyword is pretty much useless on most terrain.

Eldar lol, lmao. Knights lol, lmao. Death Guard xddd

Just feels like they're so far off getting the game back to a decent state now, which really sucks because they pretty much had 9th nailed down just as it ended.
 
Haven't checked on FB nor 40K in years.
1. Is FB dead with the planet broken into many small pieces?
2. Is Gay Workshop removing all the offensive elements of the game to not get called fascist by progs?
3. Did they introduce black/jewish/latino/female Space Marines or furries to capitalise on diversity and deviants?
 
Troon Destroyer said:
Haven't checked on FB nor 40K in years.
1. Is FB dead with the planet broken into many small pieces?
2. Is Gay Workshop removing all the offensive elements of the game to not get called fascist by progs?
3. Did they introduce black/jewish/latino/female Space Marines or furries to capitalise on diversity and deviants?
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1. Replaced by Age of Sigmar
2 and 3. Despite the many vocal trannies screeching about it, GW hasn't folded and 40k remains largely untainted by that kind of shit.
 
ShitLurker said:
You are missing a "yet" in there. But for now it has held surprisingly well at allowing really pozzed shit like whamarines or tranny sororitas.
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tbf GW isn't some videogame or social media soyshop, you still need some merit to get in there. all the other shit happened because they infested certain areas and let the rot slowly encroach upwards, while the company itself was sucking on the ESG/blackrock tit.

say what you want but GW being the overpriced plastic crack dealers that they are also means if you can't bring the dosh or mess with it you won't make it - unless they too jump on the ESG wagon and/or get fucked by the uk government's incompetence like the rest of britain.
 
vern said:
I believe I made one of the most braindead decisions I've made in years, I've decided to try and get through all 54 main novels in the Horus Heresy or completely burn out trying.
I've gotten through the first 10 books so far and probably will take a few months break before the next 10 and TLDR, 1 of the batch I thought was awful , 2 where meh but had moments, rest where alright to good.
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Good luck with that. I started on the same journey two or three years ago and currently at book 37. Just listening to the audiobooks while I do chores and other simple tasks, though I also get the ebooks for reference, primarily the dramatis personae and inside artwork that the books get later on. At first I was just going to skip the disliked ones, but then decided to just go through everything when I realized how often the short stories in the anthologies are directly connected to particular novels, along with the frequency of crossover characters and storylines. Overall, though, it is largely simple pulp action and masculine melodrama that I probably would've been exhausted with long ago had I been reading the books proper rather than listening to audiobooks. Many actions scenes in particular can easily be glossed over.

As I make my way through the stories, I like referring to this Horus Heresy story graph as well as the synopses on 1d4chan's Horus Hersey page.

I'm not yet sure how I'm going to address The Primarchs spinoff series.
 
vern said:
actually thought Kelbor-Hal was the strongest character in the book and his reasoning to side with the traitors was believable.
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The biggest issue in the book is that the Mechanicus had 100% reason to believe the Emperor is going to dispose of them after the crusade but it's ignored. Sadly, HH has schizophrenic pacing making it go full force at the start and then insanely slow afterwards, with plenty of filler and retarded plot points. There are still some good books left, but it's a decline.
 
Alter Ego said:
Good luck with that. I started on the same journey two or three years ago and currently at book 37. Just listening to the audiobooks while I do chores and other simple tasks, though I also get the ebooks for reference, primarily the dramatis personae and inside artwork that the books get later on. At first I was just going to skip the disliked ones, but then decided to just go through everything when I realized how often the short stories in the anthologies are directly connected to particular novels, along with the frequency of crossover characters and storylines. Overall, though, it is largely simple pulp action and masculine melodrama that I probably would've been exhausted with long ago had I been reading the books proper rather than listening to audiobooks. Many actions scenes in particular can easily be glossed over.

As I make my way through the stories, I like referring to this Horus Heresy story graph as well as the synopses on 1d4chan's Horus Hersey page.

I'm not yet sure how I'm going to address The Primarchs spinoff series.
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It was actually this chart that made me say fuck it I'll read it in order or die trying since I want to say this is one of the biggest cluster fuck of a timeline I've seen seen (and Siege has a bunch of fucking connections to past books I really couldn't get invested in it)
Also makes me wonder what the actual word count for the series because I see this shared from time to time and I feel like the HH is north of 4 million maybe even 5 million.
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Also keeping track of of the writers for each book, Graham McNeill is so far the
Love Machine said:
As someone who did this, its not worth it.
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I'm pretty sure I will agree with soon or later question is when

wtfNeedSignUp said:
The biggest issue in the book is that the Mechanicus had 100% reason to believe the Emperor is going to dispose of them after the crusade but it's ignored. Sadly, HH has schizophrenic pacing making it go full force at the start and then insanely slow afterwards, with plenty of filler and retarded plot points. There are still some good books left, but it's a decline.
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Surprising I came away with the feeling the Mechanicus could of maybe been salvaged although it is slight since Zeth and a few other minor adepts weren't exactly keen on the precepts. Although it might of been another case of the Sigilities where if there's one left they weren't completely disposed of.
Also I'm not sure if this is every explained but are the Tech Priests somehow keeping the Void Dragon in check? I know that the guardian in the book claimed that Emps orchestrated the Mechanicus into the way their are because of the Dragon but depending on when he buried it to mars (I highly doubt it was in the 11th century) It could of equally been him being a impatient asshole not wanting to wait for technology to get back to the level good enough for the Great Crusade.
 
ZMOT said:
tbf GW isn't some videogame or social media soyshop, you still need some merit to get in there. all the other shit happened because they infested certain areas and let the rot slowly encroach upwards, while the company itself was sucking on the ESG/blackrock tit.

say what you want but GW being the overpriced plastic crack dealers that they are also means if you can't bring the dosh or mess with it you won't make it - unless they too jump on the ESG wagon and/or get fucked by the uk government's incompetence like the rest of britain.
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Which is why I think you should enjoy the hobby while it remains relatively un-pozzed, rather than worrying about potential future pozzing.

Though now that 10e has dropped, and its intent was to streamline the game and reduce barriers to entry, I wonder if that timetable has moved up.

I said it back when 10e was announced: as a noob, I appreciate that they're trying to make the game less complicated. But I also understand the value of gatekeeping your hobbies.

I like the new app they released. The Battle Forge tool helped me make sense of army building and points and all that. My simpleton brain couldn't decipher what the rulebook was talking about.
 
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Male Idiot said:
I'm not sure that the rules are the real gatekeeping mechanism.

Many nerds learn rules, however 40k requires an autistic obsession to actually paint, assemble and deploy something so expensive. Most lefties would break down and spend their cash on a funko pop instead halfway through the painting.
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The game being an overcomplicated mess ceetainly gatekeeps it fine and the hobby aspect requires too much dedication from people unable to take care of a cat. But warhammer is also a multimedia franchise which is where the wokevirus would come in and seep backwards. Thankfully Cavil is the one helming the first big push (I can see how he would constantly say "no, women cannot be space marines") and the writters haven't reach super hero comic ineptitude to forget the setting is an oppresive hellhole where if you step out of line, you are done.

Age of Sigmar on the other hand seems like it would potentially be pozz fiesta, but I give 0 shits about that and as long as it stays there, they can have all their genderqueer sigmarines that nobody reads about.
 
A printing group I'm in had a contest yesterday and this was my entry. You had 12 hours to print, base, and paint any model you wanted. I went with a plasmancer. I recently got a bunch of Army Painter's metallic series and have been looking for an excuse to use the zephyr pink.
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Edit- just finished my first 10th ed game with necrons and holy shit they are durable. Played against Orks and lost by two points but by the end of round 5, I had only lost a reanimator and 1 warrior.
 
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ShitLurker said:
The game being an overcomplicated mess ceetainly gatekeeps it fine and the hobby aspect requires too much dedication from people unable to take care of a cat. But warhammer is also a multimedia franchise which is where the wokevirus would come in and seep backwards. Thankfully Cavil is the one helming the first big push (I can see how he would constantly say "no, women cannot be space marines") and the writters haven't reach super hero comic ineptitude to forget the setting is an oppresive hellhole where if you step out of line, you are done.

Age of Sigmar on the other hand seems like it would potentially be pozz fiesta, but I give 0 shits about that and as long as it stays there, they can have all their genderqueer sigmarines that nobody reads about.
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Sigmarxism containment game lol.
 
Meat Target said:
Which is why I think you should enjoy the hobby while it remains relatively un-pozzed, rather than worrying about potential future pozzing.

Though now that 10e has dropped, and its intent was to streamline the game and reduce barriers to entry, I wonder if that timetable has moved up.

I said it back when 10e was announced: as a noob, I appreciate that they're trying to make the game less complicated. But I also understand the value of gatekeeping your hobbies.

I like the new app they released. The Battle Forge tool helped me make sense of army building and points and all that. My simpleton brain couldn't decipher what the rulebook was talking about.
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companies always walk a fine line between what people already like and "accessibility" to rope in more suckers. more people = more purchases = more money, that's just normal business.
it's usually also a good idea to figure out what you like about it, be it the "lore", the models, or the rules, or tabletop in general. even if it's only part of it (tbh I hardly ever met anyone who played warhammer for the rules) there's nothing stopping you from going outside the GW bubble. or to put it like this: imagine you like ttrpgs and you stick to dnd 5e because it's the biggest... but seriously, grab the complete rules for OPR and plug in whatever models you like, warhammer or whatever, than move on to 10e or whatever
 
10e so far seems like a fucking disaster that'll ony be fixed by codex releases sorting shit out. Until then every other day we're gonna get a bunch of retarded "somehow you do 30+ mortals" combination and it's all caused by easily avoidable garbage.
 
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