Warhammer 40k

[LORD IMPERATOR]

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There is no fixing the Imperium though. Guilliman can at best get some better bureaucrats and leaders, but even that is incredibly limited. He doesn't have the time to world to world, or even sector to sector and make sure able people are in charge. The Imperium's issues is layers upon layers of bureaucracy, heavy taxes and fracturing lines of communication and technology. Two people, great as they are, can do very little to it.

Guilliman is immortal, and with the full power of the bureaucracy at his fingertips, as well as the support of elite groups like the Custodes, most of the Space Marine chapters, and the full backing of the Adeptus Mechanicus, he can make quite the change, and he has all the time in the world. The Mechanicus is the supplier for most of the Imperium's weapons manufacturing and tech support. The Custodes are the best warriors in the Imperium sans the primarchs. The Space Marine chapters each have their own private armies that when combined, can take on the might of the Imperium. Even if it takes a thousand years, Guilliman should logically be able to get the system back on track. And with the Lion back, he'd likely also back reforms and help Guilliman fix the Imperium. The two of them have more than enough men and guns on their side that they can practically do anything.

And from a storytelling perspective, the dystopian torture porn only sells so much. Whenever the status quo becomes so set in stone, people stop getting invested because so little changes. So they'll have to change things up, lest they alienate the audience by boring them with similar stories.

The joke was funny, but it's pretty retarded. The imperium can very well join multiple forces of Astartes to one big mission. It can't afford another Huron Blackheart to fuck everything up, and its main backbones are human troops with the Astartes either delaying issues of nipping them in the bud, amassing them in siege warfare like the Iron Warriors did is a huge waste.

With how long it takes for messages to pass from one end of the Imperium to another, by the time you hear of a massive enemy force capable of smashing through the Space Marine chapters, it'd be too late, and by the time you organize enough chapters to counter-attack, the damage is done. Chapters would make sense in peacetime when you're downsizing your army because there's no massive threat, but the Imperium is always facing down massive threats; at this point, realistically, each chapter would be allowed to recruit as many men as possible so they can turn the tide against massive enemy units like Ork WAAAAAAGHs or Tyranid Hive Fleets.

The new books are more optimistic from what I heard, but in the end the improvement will also be tiny and completely dependent on either Primarchs still living.

Then that won't really draw readers in that much. The idea of "status quo is god" is why comic books lost to manga and anime. The status quo got so boring that the audience packed up and left.

 

[Mikoyan]

and he has all the time in the world

He might. The Imperium doesn't. The change he can effect is limited by the circumstances.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He might. The Imperium doesn't. The change he can effect is limited by the circumstances.

Realistically, the Imperium does. All its enemies are killing each other just as much as they're killing the humans, and there's no way GW would let their most popular faction fall.

 

[Snekposter]

All its enemies are killing each other just as much as they're killing the humans

The biggest irony of 40K: Everyone is so busy fighting everyone else nobody can spare a moment to launch a killing blow. Its why the Tau aren't that implausible aside from the magic warp storm that saved them but coincidentally didn't make them psykers: nobody fucking noticed them until they had a foothold, and now that they have one they're just too much trouble to wipe out.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Guilliman is immortal, and with the full power of the bureaucracy at his fingertips, as well as the support of elite groups like the Custodes, most of the Space Marine chapters, and the full backing of the Adeptus Mechanicus, he can make quite the change, and he has all the time in the world. The Mechanicus is the supplier for most of the Imperium's weapons manufacturing and tech support. The Custodes are the best warriors in the Imperium sans the primarchs. The Space Marine chapters each have their own private armies that when combined, can take on the might of the Imperium. Even if it takes a thousand years, Guilliman should logically be able to get the system back on track. And with the Lion back, he'd likely also back reforms and help Guilliman fix the Imperium. The two of them have more than enough men and guns on their side that they can practically do anything.

And from a storytelling perspective, the dystopian torture porn only sells so much. Whenever the status quo becomes so set in stone, people stop getting invested because so little changes. So they'll have to change things up, lest they alienate the audience by boring them with similar stories.

If he had a 1000 years of peace maybe, so far it's 200 years of nonstop aggression and the Imperium literally torn in half. Plus the Custodes and SM can't really help with managing shit, while the Mechanicum is not under Guilliman's control (though it is far more meritocratic than the rest of the Imperium, so it's in a better state, but filled with autistic fighting instead of Game of Thrones politicking). It's like organizing a library that is currently being set on fire and extinguished in the same time.

With how long it takes for messages to pass from one end of the Imperium to another, by the time you hear of a massive enemy force capable of smashing through the Space Marine chapters, it'd be too late, and by the time you organize enough chapters to counter-attack, the damage is done. Chapters would make sense in peacetime when you're downsizing your army because there's no massive threat, but the Imperium is always facing down massive threats; at this point, realistically, each chapter would be allowed to recruit as many men as possible so they can turn the tide against massive enemy units like Ork WAAAAAAGHs or Tyranid Hive Fleets.

There isn't a lot of difference between some big invasion and chapters around the area forming up to counter it, and doing the same with a patrolling legion forces. The advantage of a legion is being able to amass against some ridiculous fighting force, which was all well and good for the great crusade, but afterwards was an overkill for anything besides the tyranids (which are better dealt from orbit than wasting Astartes). With the Orks you have an example with Armaggedon where like 10 chapters formed under Dante (who is probably the most respected non primarch marine). Anyways a legion under someone who is not a primarch is asking for trouble.

Then that won't really draw readers in that much. The idea of "status quo is god" is why comic books lost to manga and anime. The status quo got so boring that the audience packed up and left.

In the end it's the issue of all long running media, people will eventually give up since nothing is happening. The question is when GW would see that things can't continue anymore and do End Times for 40k, which would at least be funny.

 

[Male Idiot]

Palpatine isn't related to the Emperor.

I mean Creamy Sheev got laid with women and spawned Rey.

The Emperor has his no cooties fort he made out of mud bricks in Turkey.

As to Guilliman fixing it, perhaps it should be left as it is. As we saw with Disney, change is not always better.

 

[get_ur_gamon]

Printing the short howitzer / medusa from the Maker's Cult overnight. Will post results tomorrow. It came pre supported so I have high hopes. Plus a cute little mortar battery will look great methinks. For only $10, it looks pretty good, plus it comes with a load of ammo crates too. Anyone else printed any great STLs?

 

[East_Clintwood]

Anyone else printed any great STLs?

For various reasons I was never really able to get into 3D printing back when I regularly played tabletop. I did however buy one STL online, and give a dude from my local GW a nice bottle of scotch to print me a couple:


As a GK player I loved the idea of Dreadknights existing as a counter to Greater Daemons, but the actual model was so fucking cringe I refused to buy them.

 

[Fungible penis]

This screenshot from the upcoming Rogue Trader game is doing the rounds and brothers, I couldn't be happier.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@wtfNeedSignUp

If he had a 1000 years of peace maybe, so far it's 200 years of nonstop aggression and the Imperium literally torn in half. Plus the Custodes and SM can't really help with managing shit, while the Mechanicum is not under Guilliman's control (though it is far more meritocratic than the rest of the Imperium, so it's in a better state, but filled with autistic fighting instead of Game of Thrones politicking). It's like organizing a library that is currently being set on fire and extinguished in the same time.

Most of the wars they fight are more akin to summer wars, since none of the enemy factions can summon all their strength for a full-on strike without weakening their own borders against the other races. A more organized Imperium can easily put those fires out. The Custodes and the SMs can threaten anyone who doesn't get with Guilliman's program, which ensures more compliance from the bureaucracy, and most bureaucrats would rather not pick a fight with someone who's literally the son of their god. Especially when he can send said god's elite guard to collect your head if you conspire against him. That's like what if Greeks picked a fight against Zeus' son Hercules. And isn't Belisarius Cawl a high-ranking Magos, since he's known as the Dominatus Dominus? (AKA Master of Masters)

There isn't a lot of difference between some big invasion and chapters around the area forming up to counter it, and doing the same with a patrolling legion forces. The advantage of a legion is being able to amass against some ridiculous fighting force, which was all well and good for the great crusade, but afterwards was an overkill for anything besides the tyranids (which are better dealt from orbit than wasting Astartes). With the Orks you have an example with Armaggedon where like 10 chapters formed under Dante (who is probably the most respected non primarch marine). Anyways a legion under someone who is not a primarch is asking for trouble.

I'd say there is. You wouldn't have to organize chapters for a counter-attack, which takes time. If a single Legion has its turf invaded by a large enemy force, it would just muster its strength to fight off the invader. All Guilliman needs to do is put someone trustworthy in charge; unlike the Emperor, who put Horus in command even though the man clearly had his own daddy issues.

In the end it's the issue of all long running media, people will eventually give up since nothing is happening. The question is when GW would see that things can't continue anymore and do End Times for 40k, which would at least be funny.

They should've done something like the End Times, then leave the final ending up to the player. Like say, all the Loyalist Primarchs come back, they successfully revive the Emperor, but the Chaos gods manifest in the material world fully, Mehrunes Dagon-style, rallying their Daemon Primarchs and their followers. The Orks find a new master similar to the Beast, the Tyranids finally arrive in full, the Necrons all awaken galaxy-wide, the Eldar gods come back, and the player can decide which faction finally won the game. That way, it'd truly be a setting placed 5 minutes before the apocalypse.

 

[NerdShamer]

And with the Lion back, he'd likely also back reforms and help Guilliman fix the Imperium. The two of them have more than enough men and guns on their side that they can practically do anything.

Calling it now, the Lion well just tell him to "fuck off" so he can focus on rebuilding his legion into something that's capable of fighting off an new unholy horror or something.

This screenshot from the upcoming Rogue Trader game is doing the rounds and brothers, I couldn't be happier.
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So where's the backlash? There has to be some kind of rage from the usual cadre of Twitter users.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Calling it now, the Lion well just tell him to "fuck off" so he can focus on rebuilding his legion into something that's capable of fighting off an new unholy horror or something.

That's possible. If they want to make things spicy, they should make the two into rivals.

So where's the backlash? There has to be some kind of rage from the usual cadre of Twitter users.

They've been raging about wanting female Space Marines for some time, now.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

Isnt the reason the Legions where split into chapters not to safeguard the imperium from external threats but from internal corruption?

i mean when the codex is written the only threat the imperium faces from xenos is the orks, who have just been broken at ullanor, the necrons are still asleep, the tyranids still have 10k years of deep space to cross and the eldar are more of an annoyance whos real power is using other forces to fight their wars for them

so the changes were to stop another galaxy wide civil war happening in the event a chapter master goes rogue.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

They've been raging about wanting female Space Marines for some time, now.

Because they are retards who apparently don't know who the Sisters of Battle despite even the retards at WOTC realizing that Celestine the Living Saint exists.

 

[East_Clintwood]

Isnt the reason the Legions where split into chapters not to safeguard the imperium from external threats but from internal corruption?

Pretty much, also why the Navy and Guard are split, and why even Guard regiment types are as well:

 

[Happy Little War Painter]

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Printing the short howitzer / medusa from the Maker's Cult overnight. Will post results tomorrow. It came pre supported so I have high hopes. Plus a cute little mortar battery will look great methinks. For only $10, it looks pretty good, plus it comes with a load of ammo crates too. Anyone else printed any great STLs?

I print a lot of my armies from Makers Cult and StationForge, both are wonderful creators and their presupported files always print for me. I just got done printing this huge Space Marine transport from StationForge, it is currently held together by model clay and a dream:

I used to post a lot of my prints and paints over on the kiwifedi when it was up, I might continue on this thread if it wouldn't be considered spam

 

[Snekposter]

That's possible. If they want to make things spicy, they should make the two into rivals.

That's easy. The Lion and G-Man already had a spat over the Imperium Secundus during the Horus Heresy. No reason to think they'd not have a second now that G-Man is Lord Commander.
"Hey bro, nice Imperium. And its daddy's Imperium you're in charge of too, like you've always wanted. No need to go set up your own in the Eastern Fringe when you can just claim his instead, am I right?"
"Lion..."
"Na bro, its cool. If we're tossing out all the rules you yourself set up imma go get my Legion together and go Crusading just like the good old days when were generals who served, not administrators who ruled. Does loyalty mean nothing to you?"

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Because they are retards who apparently don't know who the Sisters of Battle despite even the retards at WOTC realizing that Celestine the Living Saint exists.

And yet whenever you bring them up to the fucking paste eaters, they'll deflect about there being men in the army with Preachers, Penitent Engines (one of poor saps stuck to it is a male figure), Crusaders and Flagellants. Easy rebuttal to that is that two of them are Inquisition units, one is a torture device with legs, and the Preacher is a support unit, but then they'll just deflect to some other form of autistic screeching.

 

[ZMOT]

in further news, OPR 3.1 is out: https://www.onepagerules.com/news/3rd-edition-update-v3-1-0-released

also a thought occurred to me earlier: is solomon kane the warhammer fantasy movie we never got, same way event horizon is a 40k movie?

This screenshot from the upcoming Rogue Trader game is doing the rounds and brothers, I couldn't be happier.
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they'll label it non-canon, they don't need facts and other problematic opinions to sperg out.

 

[get_ur_gamon]

Pretty happy with the results. Only one of the little empty shell casing failed to print. Will probably try the earthshaker next. Printing the next layer of my pile of shame. I don't even know what I'll use these as. Field ordinance batteries?