Warhammer 40k

[NerdShamer]

And the problem with that is that was bullshit; it goes to show the Emperor, or whoever wrote his character, lacks a fundamental understanding of modern history.

He also didn't understand the mindset of most of his children, nearly all of which could easily pass for being some degree of autistic.

But shit like this is kind of hilarious, in a way.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

He also didn't understand the mindset of most of his children, nearly all of which could easily pass for being some degree of autistic.

But shit like this is kind of hilarious, in a way.

The point to me is that the Emperor was always a genocidal asshole, and the Imperial Cult is his ironic punishment.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He also didn't understand the mindset of most of his children, nearly all of which could easily pass for being some degree of autistic.

But shit like this is kind of hilarious, in a way.

Well, this is what happens when you find your kids after they got raised by someone else and you hand them an army.

Seriously, those Primarchs, barring a few like Rowboat, who's actually good with logistics, should've just been stuck in some kind of Justice League-style outfit where it's just them taking down powerful foes. Like say, they find an Ork that's really, really strong like the Beast. Sick Magnus the Red, Leman Russ, and Angron at them. They find a daemon-like entity using religion to poison the masses, and they send in Lorgar to preach the good word of the Emperor while crushing said Daemon's skull. They need someone to defend an important city-world against a powerful hostile invader? Send in Rogal Dorn. Leave the management and leadership of Space Marines and regular soldiers to guys like Malcador and the Custodes, guys you can trust.

The point to me is that the Emperor was always a genocidal asshole, and the Imperial Cult is his ironic punishment. I like to think that he is cognizant of this irony.

I like to think of it that way, but given the anti-traditional leanings of the OG 40K writers, I think more than a few of them were working their anger towards religion into how the Emperor saw religion. And the funny thing is, I can already guess that their views on things like the real-world Crusaders and Inquisition are probably shaped by plebian-level modernist crap instead of looking at the reality of why the Crusaders and the Inquisition came to be and why people tolerated/worked with them/idolized them for so long.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Well, this is what happens when you find your kids after they got raised by someone else and you hand them an army.

Seriously, those Primarchs, barring a few like Rowboat, who's actually good with logistics, should've just been stuck in some kind of Justice League-style outfit where it's just them taking down powerful foes. Like say, they find an Ork that's really, really strong like the Beast. Sick Magnus the Red, Leman Russ, and Angron at them. They find a daemon-like entity using religion to poison the masses, and they send in Lorgar to preach the good word of the Emperor while crushing said Daemon's skull. They need someone to defend an important city-world against a powerful hostile invader? Send in Rogal Dorn. Leave the management and leadership of Space Marines and regular soldiers to guys like Malcador and the Custodes, guys you can trust.

That's an interesting alt-40K concept, but for it to be canon there'd then be no great tragedy like the Horus Heresy.

And the problem with that is that was bullshit; it goes to show the Emperor, or whoever wrote his character, lacks a fundamental understanding of modern history. If the Emperor just read about any atheist regime on 20th-century Earth, it wound up being a disaster; from the Communist nations that committed atrocities left and right to modern secularist nations in Europe that are in cultural and economic decline.

The idea you posited of creating noble-bright Chaos Gods has already been tried and whenever they emerge the big four kill them or imprison them, such as what Tzeentch did to the minor warp God of Discipline. That also warrants questioning why there's not a Chaos God of the Abrahamic faiths? The nascent Tau empire already have their own minor Chaos God of the Greater Good, and that's just from their auxiliary members influencing the Warp to create one, meanwhile humanity worshipped the Abrahamic God for 30,000 some-odd years and have no Warp equivalent to call their own, and the Emperor already has Chaos Angels fighting for him and is manifesting himself as a half-god in the Warp, and he's only been on the Golden Throne for 10,000 years, and I figure the only reason his power has swelled as much as it has is because the Chaos Gods can't kill/imprison him the same way because he's still got a foot in the materium. This also doesn't go into other religions like the Norse, Hindu, Greek, Aztec, Mayan & Egyptian pantheons.

By the way, does anyone know why the Emperor is a corpse on the Golden Throne despite being a perpetual?

I like to think of it that way, but given the anti-traditional leanings of the OG 40K writers, I think more than a few of them were working their anger towards religion into how the Emperor saw religion. And the funny thing is, I can already guess that their views on things like the real-world Crusaders and Inquisition are probably shaped by plebian-level modernist crap instead of looking at the reality of why the Crusaders and the Inquisition came to be and why people tolerated/worked with them/idolized them for so long.

I've always found it very telling and irksome that they criticized Christianity in particular but never a genuinely violent cult like Islam, if you want an example of a religion only ever being shitty, Islam has a way more impressive wrap sheet than Christianity, but I'm guessing GW writers like their buildings not getting Charlie Hebdo'd.

 

[NerdShamer]

Found something that you guys might enjoy.

By the way, does anyone know why the Emperor is a corpse on the Golden Throne despite being a perpetual?

Nobody really knew that he's an perpetual

 

[Pedophobe]

Just to add to that info is that the newer shade formulas, including Nuln Oil and Agrax are much less stainier and just as "pooly", they fixed the issue of how they would just coat the model in such a way you would have to repaint everything that didn't need the filter.
Not that it matters, you should not be paying premium money on Citadel in Current Year and its deluge of better alternatives.

Any recommendations for a mud wash other than Citadel? I'm using Army Painter dark tone and strong tone and they're okay I guess but nothing special. I snagged some Cote d'arms black ink but it's too dark for general washing, I just use it for metals.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Nobody really knew that he's an perpetual

I don't mean "why does no one in the narrative know he's a perpetual," I mean "why hasn't the Emperor auto-healed of his wounds despite being a perpetual?"

 

[NerdShamer]

I don't mean "why does no one in the narrative know he's a perpetual," I mean "why hasn't the Emperor auto-healed of his wounds despite being a perpetual?"

Because this would end the forever war that the franchise is famous for

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

That's an interesting alt-40K concept, but for it to be canon there'd then be no great tragedy like the Horus Heresy.

The Horus Heresy only happens because the Emperor is a fucking moron. Logistics-wise, religion-wise, politics-wise, every ruler from Louis XIV to Otto Von Bismarck would be screaming in the Emperor's face because of how stupid he was. Putting kids he didn't raise in charge of armies that had thousands of super-soldiers and millions of regular soldiers. Denying obvious religious truths that can easily be discovered by anyone with a brain cell. Placing it all in the hands of someone whose mind may not even be in the right place. The man did everything wrong and yet hordes of morons both in-universe and IRL still think he's a great ruler, when really, he's just every straw atheist written by some angry nerd who's butthurt that the religious people he hated are back in power.

The idea you posited of creating noble-bright Chaos Gods has already been tried and whenever they emerge the big four kill them or imprison them, such as what Tzeentch did to the minor warp God of Discipline. That also warrants questioning why there's not a Chaos God of the Abrahamic faiths? The nascent Tau empire already have their own minor Chaos God of the Greater Good, and that's just from their auxiliary members influencing the Warp to create one, meanwhile humanity worshipped the Abrahamic God for 30,000 some-odd years and have no Warp equivalent to call their own, and the Emperor already has Chaos Angels fighting for him and is manifesting himself as a half-god in the Warp, and he's only been on the Golden Throne for 10,000 years, and I figure the only reason his power has swelled as much as it has is because the Chaos Gods can't kill/imprison him the same way because he's still got a foot in the materium. This also doesn't go into other religions like the Norse, Hindu, Greek, Aztec, Mayan & Egyptian pantheons.

That's because the OG 40K writers don't believe in God and don't want Him butting in, even though by all rights, He should have a presence in the Warp because people worshiped him A LOT. That, and the newer crop of 40K authors don't really have a stable canon and just go with the four Chaos gods because that's the status quo that they know how to work with.

By the way, does anyone know why the Emperor is a corpse on the Golden Throne despite being a perpetual?

Because 40K writers aren't consistent. Perpetuals are supposed to heal over time, 10K years should've been enough for the Emperor to heal and get back to work. Shit, he should've just taken one year to heal and get back to work, at maximum. This is why 40K has no set canon, according to GW. Because if they're actually forced to play with an actual set rule of canon and be consistent with their works, they cannot identify the Emperor as a Perpetual without having to invent a mechanism to nullify a Perpetual's healing ability, the way you can neutralize Superman's strength with Kryptonite.

I've always found it very telling and irksome that they criticized Christianity in particular but never a genuinely violent cult like Islam, if you want an example of a religion only ever being shitty, Islam has a way more impressive wrap sheet than Christianity, but I'm guessing GW writers like their buildings not getting Charlie Hebdo'd.

If anything, Khorne should've been Allah's bitch considering how violent Islam's history is. Jihading against Christians, pagans, Jews, and each other, that ought to be enough to bring into the warp a god that would wear the pants on the relationship with Khorne.

But the short answer is that even back then in the 1980s when Islam was barely a blip on the radar, 40K's OG authors were butthurt that the Christian conservatives like Thatcher and Reagan ruled them, instead of being ruled by some glorious Communist leader like Mao Zedong. So of course they'd pick Christianity to fuck with, since they hated the religious authorities of their time, and they were ass-mad that the religious right were getting back in power after the decades of revolutionary love which comprised the 1960s and 70s.

Because this would end the forever war that the franchise is famous for

In other words, status quo is God for these writers. Even though it doesn't make sense. They needed the grimdark more than they need a stable canon that would've naturally made a perpetual like the Emperor heal in a year after the Horus Heresy and get back to the task of ruling the galaxy.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Any recommendations for a mud wash other than Citadel? I'm using Army Painter dark tone and strong tone and they're okay I guess but nothing special. I snagged some Cote d'arms black ink but it's too dark for general washing, I just use it for metals.

Try Vallejo. I find their washes takes more shakes to mix anything that settles to the bottom of the pot and that I usually need two coats to get the same level of shading as a Citadel wash, but they're good substitutes. Otherwise, can always go the Privateer Press route and just mix more water in with a paint to bring it down to a wash consistency.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

That's because the OG 40K writers don't believe in God and don't want Him butting in, even though by all rights, He should have a presence in the Warp because people worshiped him A LOT. That, and the newer crop of 40K authors don't really have a stable canon and just go with the four Chaos gods because that's the status quo that they know how to work with.

If I were a Black Library writer, I would have it to where the Abrahamic God started manifesting in the Warp but the Ruinous Powers killed him before he could awaken, and that would be the casus belli for the Emperor to go on the Great Crusade, because the strategy of replacing the Chaos Gods with new ones is never allowed to work. In fact, you could even retcon the Emperor to be the foremost theistic proponent of the world at first, failing, and then falling back on atheism when spreading religion doesn't pan out. That would solve the narrative discrepancy. It was said by Eldrad Ulthran that Humanity's faith was its greatest asset.

Because 40K writers aren't consistent. Perpetuals are supposed to heal over time, 10K years should've been enough for the Emperor to heal and get back to work. Shit, he should've just taken one year to heal and get back to work, at maximum. This is why 40K has no set canon, according to GW. Because if they're actually forced to play with an actual set rule of canon and be consistent with their works, they cannot identify the Emperor as a Perpetual without having to invent a mechanism to nullify a Perpetual's healing ability, the way you can neutralize Superman's strength with Kryptonite.

I know, I was just wondering if they ever bothered to give an explanation yet.

If anything, Khorne should've been Allah's bitch considering how violent Islam's history is. Jihading against Christians, pagans, Jews, and each other, that ought to be enough to create a Chaos god that would wear the pants on the relationship with Khorne.

Only if Khorne were specifically a product of Earth and not the Galaxy as a whole. Also Allah is shared with two other religions.

But the short answer is that even back then in the 1980s when Islam was barely a blip on the radar, 40K's OG authors were butthurt that the Christian conservatives like Thatcher and Reagan ruled them, instead of being ruled by some glorious Communist leader like Mao Zedong. So of course they'd pick Christianity to fuck with, since they hated the religious authorities of their time, and they were ass-mad that the religious right were getting back in power after the decades of revolutionary love which comprised the 1960s and 70s.

Like I said, 40K's origins are gay but berthed an ironically based setting that right wingers enjoy earnestly and take fully seriously.

The Horus Heresy only happens because the Emperor is a fucking moron. Logistics-wise, religion-wise, politics-wise, every ruler from Louis XIV to Otto Von Bismarck would be screaming in the Emperor's face because of how stupid he was. Putting kids he didn't raise in charge of armies that had thousands of super-soldiers and millions of regular soldiers. Denying obvious religious truths that can easily be discovered by anyone with a brain cell. Placing it all in the hands of someone whose mind may not even be in the right place. The man did everything wrong and yet hordes of morons both in-universe and IRL still think he's a great ruler, when really, he's just every straw atheist written by some angry nerd who's butthurt that the religious people he hated are back in power.

Yes I know, the big criticism of Big E is that he went too far in humiliating Lorgar and did too little to persuade him to the Imperial Truth, among the other ways he humiliated or neglected the other traitor Primarchs.

Also, just because 40K's origins of being a leftist mouth piece is gay, I'm not totally opposed to Big E's atheism if it's contextualized correctly in the narrative. I understand the writers from the 80s had ulterior motives in that decision, but I don't deem the concept itself unsalvageable.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

If I were a Black Library writer, I would have it to where the Abrahamic God started manifesting in the Warp but the Ruinous Powers killed him before he could awaken, and that would be the precedent for the Emperor to go on the Great Crusade, because the strategy of replacing the Chaos Gods with new ones is never allowed to work. In fact, you could even retcon the Emperor to be the foremost theistic proponent of the world at first, failing, and then falling back on atheism when spreading religion doesn't pan out. That would solve the narrative discrepancy. It was said by Eldrad Ulthran that Humanity's faith was its greatest asset.

Shit, I'd just can the atheist Emperor shit and just have it so that it was just Roman paganism all along; make him a reincarnation of a previous Roman Emperor who came from Asia Minor and he ruled like an old Middle-Eastern god-king, which would explain the Imperial Creed. The dude sees himself as a god and is OK with being worshiped as one. Lorgar and his Word Bearers, instead of being Chaos heretics, would lay the foundations for what would become the Imperium Ecclesiarchy in 40K, with the Word Bearers as the Ecclesiarchy's primary men-at-arms, with the Sisters being the female equivalent since women can't be Space Marines.

As for God, I'd just have Him be outside of the Warp, but He'd be present if you call Him. Good enough to satisfy most religious folks who'd chime in.

I know, I was just wondering if they ever bothered to give an explanation yet.

They didn't. They're just going with the whole ''it's all just myths and fables'' explanation.

Only if Khorne were specifically a product of Earth and not the Galaxy as a whole. Also Allah is shared with two other religions.

I was exaggerating, of course. But still, other religions and their Chaos gods should be present as well.

Like I said, 40K's origins are gay but berthed an ironically based setting that right wingers enjoy earnestly and take fully seriously.

Just like Watchmen and Fallout. They were made by men whining about how bad Cold War America was, while ignoring the pure fucking evil going on behind the Iron Curtain. Then they got pissed when Rorschach/the Enclave/the Space Marines got praise instead of scorn, because not everyone believes in leftist deconstruction bullshit, but anyone can be inspired by men with principles, patriotism, and faith.

Yes I know, the big criticism of Big E is that he went too far in humiliating Lorgar and did too little to persuade him to the Imperial Truth, among the other ways he humiliated or neglected the other traitor Primarchs.

The fact that the Imperial Truth is technically false, as well as the fact that Emperor-worship probably plays a major part in keeping the guy alive, means that Big E owes Lorgar an apology.

Also, just because 40K's origins of being a leftist mouth piece is gay, I'm not totally opposed to Big E's atheism if it's contextualized correctly in the narrative. I understand the writers from the 80s had ulterior motives in that decision, but I don't deem the concept itself unsalvageable.

I am. The Emperor being an atheist makes no goddamn sense; it's a relic left behind from butthurt nerds who were angry at Thatcher's folk being Christian, and it makes no sense given how the 40K universe works.

The Emperor builds his ships to look like cathedrals, he calls his great war a crusade, he lives in a magnificent palace high in the mountains like fucking Zeus from Greek myth, he dresses up like a typical Roman's idea of a god-emperor, and he lives in a universe where the gods are an undeniable reality and affect the world around them. It's one thing to preach atheism when God is forgiving and doesn't butt in on human affairs, so you have a fair chance at denying He even exists; it's another thing to preach atheism when there are literal gods running around getting involved with the lives of mortals. That's as stupid as denying the existence of God while Jesus Christ is running down the street healing the sick and raising the dead.

Combine that with the Emperor's logistical and political failings, and I'd probably rate Big E as one of the stupidest rulers in fiction. A ruler who's gunning for the Darwin Award faster than Palpatine trying to kill Luke Skywalker while the latter's dad is right behind the old man.

 

[NerdShamer]

Putting kids he didn't raise in charge of armies that had thousands of super-soldiers and millions of regular soldiers.

In all fairness, an little bit under half of them were actually capable for the job. But the final tally for the loyalists essentially boils down to Girlyman and 5 or 6 other primarchs who were exceptionally good at killing shit. 7 if you count how Sanguinious rehomed the Blood Angels before shit hit the fan.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Shit, I'd just can the atheist Emperor shit and just have it so that it was just Roman paganism all along; make him a reincarnation of a previous Roman Emperor who came from Asia Minor and he ruled like an old Middle-Eastern god-king, which would explain the Imperial Creed. The dude sees himself as a god and is OK with being worshiped as one. Lorgar and his Word Bearers, instead of being Chaos heretics, would lay the foundations for what would become the Imperium Ecclesiarchy in 40K, with the Word Bearers as the Ecclesiarchy's primary men-at-arms, with the Sisters being the female equivalent since women can't be Space Marines.

But that ruins his coalescent Shaman soul origin and is significantly more bland, even if it is more competent. Also, 40K is all about irony and not about being that straight forward. Also, that makes him seem less self aware and also even more shitty than atheist Emperor because atheist Emperor prizes and values humanity over anything described as a god and he doesn't pose as a god. He is first and foremost an advocate for and the embodiment of humanity and its potential, and having him purport himself to be a god ruins all nobility of his character and would make the Great Crusade more an act of self-aggrandizement than furthering the human race. That's what sets him apart from all other gods in the 40K universe, where the other gods treat their followers as slaves or subjects, he holds humanity as itself being sacred, or at least that's how he should be written.

As for God, I'd just have Him be outside of the Warp, but He'd be present if you call Him. Good enough to satisfy most religious folks who'd chime in.

Why outside the Warp? Is he a physical entity or an ethereal one? Does this also apply to the other theistic pantheon gods of humanity's various religions or just the Abrahamic God? I know the C'tan were physical entities, but what were the Aeldari pantheon, warp entities or physical entities?

They didn't. They're just going with the whole ''it's all just myths and fables'' explanation.

That's pretty lame. I hope they fix it and give a real answer at the end of the Horus Heresy.

Just like Watchmen and Fallout. They were made by men whining about how bad Cold War America was, while ignoring the pure fucking evil going on behind the Iron Curtain. Then they got pissed when Rorschach/the Enclave/the Space Marines got praise instead of scorn, because not everyone believes in leftist deconstruction bullshit, but anyone can be inspired by men with principles, patriotism, and faith.

Yes, and that's why everyone likes the Primarchs so much, especially the loyalists.

The fact that the Imperial Truth is technically false, as well as the fact that Emperor-worship probably plays a major part in keeping the guy alive, means that Big E owes Lorgar an apology.

Yes and that's what I mean by 40K being ironic, the Emperor would be mad that he's been elevated to Godhood but it's working more as a boon to the Imperium than other strategies have.

It's one thing to preach atheism when God is forgiving and doesn't butt in on human affairs, so you have a fair chance at denying He even exists; it's another thing to preach atheism when there are literal gods running around getting involved with the lives of mortals. That's as stupid as denying the existence of God while Jesus Christ is running down the street healing the sick and raising the dead.

What's funny is the Jews did just that while claiming Jesus to be a necromancer and a heretic.

Besides that example, the whole point of the Imperial Truth isn't to impart actual truth but was itself a strategic measure to starve the Chaos Gods and purge the Realm of Souls of deities. Humanity in 40K has no gods of their own save for the Big E, which is after the fact but I digress, so short of being a Chaos worshipper, humanity has no evidence for the existence of real gods, and the ones who know of and worship the Ruinous Powers need to be purged because they're a detriment to humanity as a whole.

 

[The tired cat]

Always gotta love when you get one bible humpibg-right wing faggot crying how 40k writers hated "Muh Jesus and muh Christianity, cause they be commies!!" Also Raegen was a retarded faggot and loser.

 

[SilentDuck]

That looks cool, does it fire live rounds?

Absolutely. You may have trouble with Hellfire rounds, but only if your faith and resolve wavers.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Always gotta love when you get one bible humpibg-right wing faggot crying how 40k writers hated "Muh Jesus and muh Christianity, cause they be commies!!" Also Raegen was a retarded faggot and loser.

Wow. Didn't think we'd get one of these here.

Why don't you crawl back to whatever hippie hole you came out of? I'm sure Red China could use another willing stooge.

In all fairness, an little bit under half of them were actually capable for the job. But the final tally for the loyalists essentially boils down to Girlyman and 5 or 6 other primarchs who were exceptionally good at killing shit. 7 if you count how Sanguinious rehomed the Blood Angels before shit hit the fan.

That was all thanks to their personalities, not anything the Emperor did. He lucked out because they grew up somewhat stable, unlike the others who went nuts.

@MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

But that ruins his coalescent Shaman soul origin and is significantly more bland, even if it is more competent. Also, 40K is all about irony and not about being that straight forward. Also, that makes him seem less self aware and also even more shitty than atheist Emperor because atheist Emperor prizes and values humanity over anything described as a god and he doesn't pose as a god. He is first and foremost an advocate for and the embodiment of humanity and its potential, and having him purport himself to be a god ruins all nobility of his character and would make the Great Crusade more an act of self-aggrandizement than furthering the human race. That's what sets him apart from all other gods in the 40K universe, where the other gods treat their followers as slaves or subjects, he holds humanity as itself being sacred, or at least that's how he should be written.

Shamans tend to actually be religious rather than atheist. Having a bunch of shamans merge into one super-being would have that person be religious; either they'd be doing this for the sake of some God, or they're doing it to achieve apotheosis and become a god. This whole idea of advocating humanity without a god reeks of secular humanism, an ideology that was formed by western scholars far from the influence of shamans, the kind of people who would see shamans as superstitious kooks who should be sent straight to the gulag. It makes no sense that a bunch of shamans, who would probably be religious, all fuse into a being who suddenly goes full atheist edgelord.

That, and atheist or not, the Great Crusade was always an act of self-aggrandizing bullshit; the man saw himself as the only hope for mankind, damn everyone else. The human civilizations far from the Emperor's reach were doing just fine, warring, trading, and checking each other without the Emperor. The Emperor forced them all into his Imperium, and the way he ran his Imperium reeked of hubris; for a guy who held humanity sacred, he placed his post-human general kids in charge instead of letting the humans run the block themselves. All the while treating his post-human kids like an aloof father, so even the human component of the Primarchs were left wanting; they needed a father, and all they got was an aloof ruler. As a ruler, a father, and a human being, the Emperor is a colossal failure.

Big E's love for mankind has always been a theoretical love, not a literal one. It's like how a Communist says he loves the workers, even as he sends half of them to the gulag. Otherwise Big E would be reluctant to spill the blood of fellow humans, and he'd care deeply about the personal welfare and economic prosperity of his subjects. You'd see the man working just as much on welfare and caring for the average citizen as he is on conquest or empire-building.

Why outside the Warp? Is he a physical entity or an ethereal one? Does this also apply to the other theistic pantheon gods of humanity's various religions or just the Abrahamic God? I know the C'tan were physical entities, but what were the Aeldari pantheon, warp entities or physical entities?

Because the Warp isn't everything. At most, it seems to be limited to one galaxy. If it wasn't, you'd get chaos gods created in other galaxies or other universes popping up.

That's pretty lame. I hope they fix it and give a real answer at the end of the Horus Heresy.

I agree, but if it were me, either I'd make it so that the Emperor was NOT a Perpetual, or Horus used some weapon blessed by the Chaos gods that nullified the Emperor's healing permanently. The Loyalist Primachs inter him in the Golden Throne, expecting him to heal within the year, but when they see this isn't the case, they begin sacrificing psykers to him to keep him alive.

Yes, and that's why everyone likes the Primarchs so much, especially the loyalists.

Mostly the Space Marines, too. Even though they're standing for a system that's fundamentally broken beyond repair, they still show faith and fidelity to it, because it keeps people safe. Just as how Rorschach was supposed to be despised, but he was loved instead, because his strong commitment to pure justice means he's the only one who refuses to budge when everyone accepts Ozymandias killing innocents to create a false peace.

Yes and that's what I mean by 40K being ironic, the Emperor would be mad that he's been elevated to Godhood but it's working more as a boon to the Imperium than other strategies have.

Which again, shows that his atheism in-universe made little sense. If he was truly the wise, far-seeing leader that people say he is, he'd have picked up on this and either created a religion that worshiped a God who is diametrically opposed to the Chaos gods, or made himself that god and embraced Lorgar's philosophy.

Besides that example, the whole point of the Imperial Truth isn't to impart actual truth but was itself a strategic measure to starve the Chaos Gods and purge the Realm of Souls of deities. Humanity in 40K has no gods of their own save for the Big E, which is after the fact but I digress, so short of being a Chaos worshipper, humanity has no evidence for the existence of real gods, and the ones who know of and worship the Ruinous Powers need to be purged because they're a detriment to humanity as a whole.

But the problem is, the moment one of his kids bumps into these gods of Chaos, or any effect of their power, they figure out that their daddy lied to them and they turn against everything he says. This even got worse when he prevented Lorgar and his fan club from worshiping him or anyone, and so the emissaries of Chaos approached them and told them that there were gods who would welcome their worship.

Say what you will about the Jedi Order's short-sighted hatred towards the Dark Side, at least they warned their kids that it exists, what are its signs, and why it should be avoided, and they combat it with the Light Side. What the Emperor did would be the 40K equivalent of what if some new galactic leader in Star Wars denied the Force's existence in a vain attempt to remove the Dark Side, only for their followers to discover the power of the Dark Side and turn against them.

 

[The tired cat]

Wow. Didn't think we'd get one of these here.

Why don't you crawl back to whatever hippie hole you came out of? I'm sure Red China could use another willing stooge.

Yeah, yeah. Go fuck the bible some more and rage about "DEM DIRTY COMMIES!!" like a good Raegen-loving faggot, pretty sure /pol/ has a spot for ya.

Anyway, right-wing retards aside. Does anyone here recommend any good 3rd party Ork Models?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, yeah. Go fuck the bible some more and rage about "DEM DIRTY COMMIES!!" like a good Raegen-loving faggot, pretty sure /pol/ has a spot for ya.

I'm pretty sure this is the spot for such talk. I mean, I got a lot of thumbs-up for talking about how based it is to love Space Marines when the OG hippie 40K writers want you to hate them because they're caricatures of right-wing fascist thugs.

Also, where did I ever talk about how great Reagan was? All I mentioned was how the OG 40K writers were butthurt that he and Thatcher were right-leaning religious people in charge of the Anglosphere during the 80s. I never acted like they were the greatest things since sliced bread; they just pissed the shit out of some nerds in the 80s to the point where they created things like Warhammer 40K to whine about how shit their religious, right-leaning leaders were.

Their whining eventually came to serve the very same right-wingers they despised, as the right-leaning folks unironically began to love things like Space Marines and Sisters of Battle, depicting them as selfless heroes who fight for mankind, instead of painting them as religious kooks who need to be thrown in the nuthouse, the way the left-leaning OG 40K writers would have people do.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

By the way, does anyone know why the Emperor is a corpse on the Golden Throne despite being a perpetual?

Best theory I've seen on that is that the Throne itself is stopping him from regenerating because of the sheer amount of power it takes for him to be simultaneously fighting the Chaos gods, powering the Astronomican, holding the Webway gate shut, and whatever else he's up to at any given moment, like resurrecting Guilliman in that one fight with Mortarion. The Throne's power dusted Malcador, himself also a perpetual, and the Emperor is so beat up from his last fight with Horus that he needs to be fed a thousand psychics a day just to keep functioning, so I could see it.