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Honestly the Imperium is already the good guys. In 40k, not comitting human sacrifice for the lulz is a qualifier for goodguy status.

The Imperium may commit cruel acts, but usually does so for a reason and as a necessity.
 
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Another boycott "movement" is starting. This time for Space Marine 2 and Rouge Trader. The developer company is from Russia!
And you know what that means.
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I thought it was already know the devs of Rogue Trader were from Russia, same guys who did both Pathfinder games.
 
Honestly the Imperium is already the good guys. In 40k, not comitting human sacrifice for the lulz is a qualifier for goodguy status.

The Imperium may commit cruel acts, but usually does so for a reason and as a necessity.
Basically, yes. But GW still insists the Imperium are bad guys, which makes no sense when the other choices are demons who want to eat your soul and aliens who want to eat you for dinner.
 
Basically, yes. But GW still insists the Imperium are bad guys, which makes no sense when the other choices are demons who want to eat your soul and aliens who want to eat you for dinner.
Or aliens that want to fuck you then turn you into furniture or, worse of all, aliens that want you to convert to communism.
 
Honestly the Imperium is already the good guys. In 40k, not comitting human sacrifice for the lulz is a qualifier for goodguy status.

The Imperium may commit cruel acts, but usually does so for a reason and as a necessity.
Like one reason is keeping a decaying corpse alive, by constantly feeding it souls of psykers or how if you dont suck the Big E's dick and agree hes a Gawd, enjoy getting turned into a brainless servitor or skull fucked by the Inqusition.
 
Or aliens that want to fuck you then turn you into furniture or, worse of all, aliens that want you to convert to communism.
Exactly. They've practically created a world where the authoritarian regime is correct; you need to take drastic steps in order to stem the tide of chaos and rapacious evil that is massing against mankind. And yet they still want to pretend like there's an alternative.

Like one reason is keeping a decaying corpse alive, by constantly feeding it souls of psykers or how if you dont suck the Big E's dick and agree hes a Gawd, enjoy getting turned into a brainless servitor or skull fucked by the Inqusition.
And the only alternative to that is to be Tyranid food, target practice for Orks or Necrons, or become a slave to Chaos. The Tau ain't big enough to save all of mankind; they're more akin to an island of peace that would easily get devoured by any of the bigger factions if GW were realistic about the story.
 
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Well, in an old 5 or 6th ed rulebook it says that if the Emprah dies, Chaos subsumes the material universe into the warp. So you feed him a thousand wizards or the universe literally becomes like the Eye of Terror. Make the Abaddon Great Again!

And if you don't worship the Emperor, there is a very high chance of Chaos coming in. Its not 100% but its enough to be a bad alternative. Its not totally assured, but if you get even half of them as demon words its not worth it.
 
The issue of chaos is that it's never ever an actual alternative for the humans. The absolute worse things humanity does is comparatively a tuesday on a Daemon world. "Oh you work practical slavery? What about being used as livestock for skin harvest?".

The writers who try to shill for chaos basically fall over backwards in whatsaboutism without answering why it's better. Chaos itself is all about the strongest making the rules, which means that the lower classes are fucked anyways in both regimes, at best the bureaucrats are less powerful compared to people who are physically strong.

A thing I really dislike in Chaos is how unchaotic it is when presented in lore. Like the Imperium is the only faction that needs supply lines and faces corruption, while Chaos basically has every cog doing its thing and no issue of supplies.
 
Sorry if it was posted earlier itt, but rejoyce!
Another boycott "movement" is starting. This time for Space Marine 2 and Rouge Trader. The developer company is from Russia!
And you know what that means.
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The dev teams for both Rogue Trader and Space Marine 2 have several trannies. I don't know how woke SM2 will be but I know that whilst GW are holding a tight leash on Owlcat things are going to get slipped in. All this is going to do is penalize the beautiful people of gender.

I just want to play a fucking game. Why does my hobby have to validate mentally ill people? I should be looking forward to a true 40k CRPG based on a version of my favorite 40k TTRPG rules. But I'm not for the same reason you shouldn't look forward to seeing your Dad knowing he has late stage Alzheimers. You know his mind isn't all there and he's not the person you remember. And you just wish he wasn't mentally ill. That's how I feel about Owlcat's Rogue Trader.
 
The issue of chaos is that it's never ever an actual alternative for the humans. The absolute worse things humanity does is comparatively a tuesday on a Daemon world. "Oh you work practical slavery? What about being used as livestock for skin harvest?".

The writers who try to shill for chaos basically fall over backwards in whatsaboutism without answering why it's better. Chaos itself is all about the strongest making the rules, which means that the lower classes are fucked anyways in both regimes, at best the bureaucrats are less powerful compared to people who are physically strong.

A thing I really dislike in Chaos is how unchaotic it is when presented in lore. Like the Imperium is the only faction that needs supply lines and faces corruption, while Chaos basically has every cog doing its thing and no issue of supplies.

Chaos isn't an alternative. Chaos is an inevitable doom. I agree the ADBs who shill for Chaos are retards. Chaos doesn't really has supply lines. Its down to each Warband of Chaos Marines to work out a deal with the Dark Mechanicum or just produce their own shit, and the humans are just slaves and fodder without much agency on their own. Chaos isn't a political faction, it is an eldritch abomination twisting its way into reality. Demons can also ... bend supply lines and may not even need physical raw materials to begin with to make something. Chaos likes to cheat.

The dev teams for both Rogue Trader and Space Marine 2 have several trannies. I don't know how woke SM2 will be but I know that whilst GW are holding a tight leash on Owlcat things are going to get slipped in. All this is going to do is penalize the beautiful people of gender.

I just want to play a fucking game. Why does my hobby have to validate mentally ill people? I should be looking forward to a true 40k CRPG based on a version of my favorite 40k TTRPG rules. But I'm not for the same reason you shouldn't look forward to seeing your Dad knowing he has late stage Alzheimers. You know his mind isn't all there and he's not the person you remember. And you just wish he wasn't mentally ill. That's how I feel about Owlcat's Rogue Trader.

Did you play the beta and find things? The only thing I found was maybe the psyker having a thing with the cybernetic radio officer, and the literal criminal squadmate being able to be romanced by another woman. And being able to ask the Space Wolf if a female can be a space marine, which gets you laughed at. Did you find something in the beta I missed? GW is holding a tight leash since DoW1. Rogue Trader had to change one of the rewards (a changed banner) because GW objected. The banner had the number 1st on it. That's it.

I'm also not sure how they can add much woke to Space Marine 2. Its story doesn't feature much characters unless it is radically changed from the first game. Its literally "Go there, kill x" .
Guardsmen with rainbow coloured hair? In the first one they didn't even bother to add a single Techpriest and it was set on a fucking Forge World.
 
Chaos isn't an alternative. Chaos is an inevitable doom. I agree the ADBs who shill for Chaos are retards. Chaos doesn't really has supply lines. Its down to each Warband of Chaos Marines to work out a deal with the Dark Mechanicum or just produce their own shit, and the humans are just slaves and fodder without much agency on their own. Chaos isn't a political faction, it is an eldritch abomination twisting its way into reality. Demons can also ... bend supply lines and may not even need physical raw materials to begin with to make something. Chaos likes to cheat.
The inevitability of Chaos is a meme. Like yeah, heat death will happen in a trillion years, but it's more likely that some race will replace humanity than Chaos ruling. Even in the Horus Heresy a potential win of Horus would end with humanity genociding itself after he realizes what he unleashed.
 
A thing I really dislike in Chaos is how unchaotic it is when presented in lore. Like the Imperium is the only faction that needs supply lines and faces corruption, while Chaos basically has every cog doing its thing and no issue of supplies.
The best version of Chaos (or Khaos) is once again Pat Mills from 2000AD writing about Nemesis the Warlock and/or the ABC Warriors Vs Termight.

The parallels between Termight and the Imperium are pretty obvious and like all UK nerds of that era the high lords of 40k were obviously 2000AD readers and fans.
 
The issue of chaos is that it's never ever an actual alternative for the humans. The absolute worse things humanity does is comparatively a tuesday on a Daemon world. "Oh you work practical slavery? What about being used as livestock for skin harvest?".
Chaos is not an alternative for humanity as a whole but it is an alternative for humans on an individual level.

Your average menial servant is never told the truth about Chaos. They are told that through doing a certain ritual or being part of a cult, they will gain power. Power to better their lives. To be stronger, to be healthier, to be smarter, to be beautiful.

Soon, power becomes the only thing that you care about. Morality is discarded as a chain that holds people back. The weak deserve to be enslaved. The Gods enjoy the screams of those fools and reward their followers with more power for it.

The truth is that everyone in Chaos is a slave to darkness but they delude everyone into thinking that they can all become a god.
 
The best version of Chaos (or Khaos) is once again Pat Mills from 2000AD writing about Nemesis the Warlock and/or the ABC Warriors Vs Termight.

The parallels between Termight and the Imperium are pretty obvious and like all UK nerds of that era the high lords of 40k were obviously 2000AD readers and fans.
I liked Daemon World by Ben Counter. As the name says, it's a story of a daemon world with multiple factions fucking one another until the end.
Chaos is not an alternative for humanity as a whole but it is an alternative for humans on an individual level.

Your average menial servant is never told the truth about Chaos. They are told that through doing a certain ritual or being part of a cult, they will gain power. Power to better their lives. To be stronger, to be healthier, to be smarter, to be beautiful.

Soon, power becomes the only thing that you care about. Morality is discarded as a chain that holds people back. The weak deserve to be enslaved. The Gods enjoy the screams of those fools and reward their followers with more power for it.

The truth is that everyone in Chaos is a slave to darkness but they delude everyone into thinking that they can all become a god.
Issue in it is that it's pretty easy and quick to understand that there is a ruthless totem pole and failing it would get your soul used as a sex/stress relief/science experiment toy for eternity. Of course usually by the time you realize your with Chaos you are already going to hell anyways.
 
The inevitability of Chaos is a meme. Like yeah, heat death will happen in a trillion years, but it's more likely that some race will replace humanity than Chaos ruling. Even in the Horus Heresy a potential win of Horus would end with humanity genociding itself after he realizes what he unleashed.

Only if they retcon the bit about Chaos taking over and destroying the galaxy if the Emprah or his throne croaks. Otherwise.... it would be a very short victory celebration.


If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 5th Edition rulebook, pg.101

If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consuming Daemons will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be subsumed by the stuff of Warp space – a realm of nightmares and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos. -7th edition.

It is somewhat unclear if it means just the galaxy, or "reality" as it is implies the whole universe. Still bad news for anyone wanting to overthrow Empy-kun.
 
If the Golden Throne fails, the webway gate opens and daemonic forces will sweep through, eventually leading to a new Eye of Terror that would expand until joining up with the old...or at least that's been the concept for several editions.

Whether it would go the same way as the Eldar, create a new God, maybe only consume the Solar System or one side of the rift, only find out if they carry on with the failing of the Throne plot line as per Vaults of Terra series.
 
The inevitability of Chaos is a meme. Like yeah, heat death will happen in a trillion years, but it's more likely that some race will replace humanity than Chaos ruling. Even in the Horus Heresy a potential win of Horus would end with humanity genociding itself after he realizes what he unleashed.
I remember subscribing to the idea for awhile that the chaos gods whole plan was to screw over Horus in the last second so that anathema is stuck where he can't die and be reborn and can do almost nothing trapped on the throne, leaving the imperium in tact enough to be the perfect game board for their great game with a reliable resource of human souls for thousands of years and only a tiny chance of being a threat at best to each of the 4 main gods. But there have been events in the end and the death as well as recent m41 lore that has thrown a wrench in that idea.
 
Wouldn't Chaos or Tyranids taking over the galaxy just mean that Necrons ultimately win? The factions capable to mitigating Necron expansion are all susceptible to being wiped out by factions the Necrons are more or less immune to. The 13th Black Crusade was almost stopped and Cadia saved by the efforts of 1 Necron. If the war fleet of the Nihilakh dynasty showed up, the eye of terror would be closed and Abaddon would be dead. Cadia would still exist, though probably purged of all Imperium presence.

That's why I'm kind of hoping/expecting Guilliman interacts with Szarekh going forward which leads to some kind of treaty to destroy Chaos/Tyranids. Necrons have a universal interest in keeping humans alive, as Trazyn and Orikan believe the existence of man is the only means to reverse the bio-transference process.
 
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Depends if the galaxy/universe turns into a warp rift. If it does... even the crons would be overwhelmed, and the nids would go into Nurgle's soup. Remember it would mean unlimited demons. Only the Emp's sword can kill a demon.
 
Depends if the galaxy/universe turns into a warp rift. If it does... even the crons would be overwhelmed, and the nids would go into Nurgle's soup. Remember it would mean unlimited demons. Only the Emp's sword can kill a demon.
Valid, but the extent of the Necrontyr pylons scattered throughout the galaxy is currently unknown, but implied that it's very expansive. The Necrons biggest weakness is that the vast majority of them are still asleep, so the likelyhood that they could activate all the pylons on their own in a short period of time is probably unrealistic. Some kind of alliance between Guilliman and Szarekh could facilitate that though. The Mechanicus already has a knack for awakening tomb worlds, so what if they did it on purpose instead of on accident? It's also canon that the Mechanicus is technologically capable of operating the pylons when instructed by an overlord.

Additionally, the Necrons control a number of superweapons that they don't even allow themselves to use because they're so destructive. If all is lost and the universe is getting consumed, what is stopping the Necrons from walking into the orirary and wiping out 90% of the universe? It would be a massive setback for reversing biotransference, but still a better option than losing the universe to Chaos. An empty universe is better than a lost universe, because Necrons are capable of waiting the billions of years needed for new planetary bodies to form and suitable lifeforms to evolve. You can't forget that Necrons are a species that write and perform plays that last for tens of thousands of years, just because pseudo-immortality can get really fucking boring. I guess it beats getting so bored that you fuck a new Chaos god into existence.

Either way, it feels like the Imperium and the Necrons are being put in a position where an alliance makes sense. Some important Necrons don't want humans eradicated, and the return of Szarekh implies that the dynasties are about to be unified under his rule. If he doesn't want humans eradicated, the random rogue dynasties will stop attacking the Imperium thanks to command protocols. The imperium is getting bent over backwards by Tyranids, and Necrons are the ultimate counter play. The secondary threat is the impending death of the emperor, and if he dies, Chaos takes over. Chaos isn't afraid of Necrons in the same way Tyranids are, but they are immune to influences of the warp, and they have technology capable of manipulating or outright controlling the warp from the material plane.

Other possibilities in favor of the Necrons is that Orikan could master transference and become an unshattered C'Tan. That would potentially put his power level on par with the emperor and Chaos gods. They also have access to the webway, so if shit goes South so fast that they can't react to it, they always have the option to run. They don't need to kill anything when they have the ability to prevent anything from leaving the warp. If they were successful in doing so, it seems like the powers of the Chaos gods would be massively diminished due to their inability to corrupt.

I'm hardly a lore expert, but I have read most of the Necron books and they're probably closer to the role of anti-hero than anyone else in the galaxy, and they have shown a willingness to help the emperor when their goals overlap. The only thing really stopping them from working together is the Imperium's zealotry. Higher ups like primarch and inquisitors have the information and the guts to interact with them on an individual basis, but if the average human knew there was an alliance, it would cripple the ideological principles the ecclesiarchy uses to keep the imperium under control.
 
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