Warhammer 40k

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Catachan is right there for that. But I think some generation sooner than we think will go back to hangbanging and power ballads. Music has been prozic, audio ambian. They'll find the concept of solos as seductive as Slannesh's song. And we'll get the fun noise marines again. Have faith, brother. The Zoomer mind might not comprehend a Meatloaf song at first, but they will.

Maybe. But I think muscle-man movies from the 80s have a better chance of reaching them. Especially dejected men who are tired of feminism. Then it's a straight shot from there to Space Marine love.

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Everything you said is why I picked these guys after I sold my old army, they are so vile and GW hates them so throughly that my faction is gonna be left alone.

“Their army is on the horizon” it’ll be a paltry, token offering then like the WE/TS it’ll calm down because the trim and detail will scare off newfags. DG are easy to paint so they remain the most popular Chaos faction

Also I like their style and I wanted to use the helms from the Ultramarine Victrix guards.

I suppose there is safety in obscurity. They aren't 40K's main sellers, so they're safe for now.

Key word: for now. I've got a feeling that some folks who are into LGBTQ and sex-positive queerness might decide that the Emperor's Children are a fine faction to roll with. Once they're done playing with the Imperium factions, I'm sure they'll go for the more minor factions next. Mark my words.

 

[Humble Architect]

Maybe. But I think muscle-man movies from the 80s have a better chance of reaching them. Especially dejected men who are tired of feminism. Then it's a straight shot from there to Space Marine love.


I suppose there is safety in obscurity. They aren't 40K's main sellers, so they're safe for now.

Key word: for now. I've got a feeling that some folks who are into LGBTQ and sex-positive queerness might decide that the Emperor's Children are a fine faction to roll with. Once they're done playing with the Imperium factions, I'm sure they'll go for the more minor factions next. Mark my words.

No doubt, they can do what they like, chaos factions are more fractured than the Imperium and what applies to one doesn’t apply to the whole. More importantly, I don’t care about what GW does, their control over the hobby slips away ever more as printing/3p models become more common and with every price hike more people look to these alternatives. I’m not saying they’re gonna magically crumble…… but that vice they have isn’t as tight as it once was.

/mydudes/, the Emperor’s Children 57th Company are mine, Malum K’vell, Varr Tremic, Verasius Tylan, Jastus Colu, Antrok Krameri and Vull Kathak are in no one else’s army and /yoududes/ is the best way to not get burned by GW’s inane faggotry.

GW’s retcons and rewrites simply don’t apply.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

No doubt, they can do what they like, chaos factions are more fractured than the Imperium and what applies to one doesn’t apply to the whole. More importantly, I don’t care about what GW does, their control over the hobby slips away ever more as printing/3p models become more common and with every price hike more people look to these alternatives. I’m not saying they’re gonna magically crumble…… but that vice they have isn’t as tight as it once was.

/mydudes/, the Emperor’s Children 57th Company are mine, Malum K’vell, Varr Tremic, Verasius Tylan, Jastus Colu, Antrok Krameri and Vull Kathak are in no one else’s army and /yoududes/ is the best way to not get burned by GW’s inane faggotry.

GW’s retcons and rewrites simply don’t apply.

I'm pretty sure their grip is still strong so long as they still have their army of paypigs, they keep banning people from official games with custom models, and people still stick to the Warhammer IP like barnacles on a whale. I mean, at this point, they're still getting free press, and people can and still will buy their crap so long as there's interest in 40K.

All this talk of boycotts and 3D-printing are pointless. Most of these boycotters haven't bought the 40K minis in a long-ass while. So them boycotting the actual product won't be much of a hassle for GW. What else will they boycott, the books? The books are a tiny part of GW's profit margin. The lore videos and wikis? GW doesn't make money off those, so it's pointless.

The fact that the majority of the people raising the boycott flag aren't buyers of the product means any calls of standing up to them won't work at all, and they'll keep pushing on through.

 

[The tired cat]

'm pretty sure their grip is still strong so long as they still have their army of paypigs, they keep banning people from official games with custom models, and people still stick to the Warhammer IP like barnacles on a whale. I mean, at this point, they're still getting free press, and people can and still will buy their crap so long as there's interest in 40K.

I mean, kinda depends. I know GW stores ban 3rd party models, but kinda seems more local tourneys are fine with em, long as the models resembles what it should be a proxy for.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I mean, kinda depends. I know GW stores ban 3rd party models, but kinda seems more local tourneys are fine with em, long as the models resembles what it should be a proxy for.

I suppose. But the paypigs still keep GW stocked and happy, and their IP still gets free press from all this controversy.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

DG are easy to paint so they remain the most popular Chaos faction

As much as they supposedly admit some sloppiness (and having painted my share of Thousand Sons, there's definitely a point to be made about trim), I'm still convinced that the reason for DG's popularity comes down mostly to the Dark Imperium box being staggeringly successful - 8e marked a major step-change in the game's popularity and right from the start, DG were easily and (by GW standards) cheaply available right when the swarm of new players were settling on factions.
Perhaps I'm wrong, though - Indomitus and Leviathan were also very well-selling and you haven't seen nearly as big an effect for 'Crons or 'Nids (both also easy to paint).
Edit: To equivocate further, the Goonhammer poll from 2022 - post-Indomitus and pre-Leviathan - did have Necrons as the most popular xenos by a decent margin, so it's not as if the effect was absent. DG were lumped into CSM so we can't do a direct comparison.

 

[Male Idiot]

I'm pretty sure the Emperor was a fedora-tipping atheist for quite some time. At least he was 14 years ago, when I first got into the lore. Was that a new idea then? What I do know is that the original story was a satire of religion, since GW's authors talked about that on length

Yeah you were late to the party by half a decade, and it was a pretty new idea.

Although the Emperor not being a character until HH explains why an atheist Emperor of an atheist Empire has Cathedral-shaped ships. It never made sense to me why people who preach the atheistic Imperial Truth designed their ships after Medieval Cathedrals or had chaplains. My guess is that their original religion was some sham version of Catholicism before they decided to make the Emperor an atheist to "own" the religious crowd

The ships are a holdover from pre HH series. It makes no sense, it is from a time before the atheism was added.

The whole atheism thing was a retcon that started with the HH book series completely out of left field. It was the beginning of the end.

The Emperor's religion was always a cult of personality that stole the crusader aesthetic and used it for something metal and badass, not cucked and pozzed like christianity. Like something most dictators used, but him being actually god powered it worked.

Kinda like how those internet funnies have a white Jesus with roided muscles and uzis.

The Imperial warships of the Crusade and Heresy 30k era are depicted as having a more conventional exterior appearance, basically like the 40k era Chaos fleets, where the superstructure looks like a 20th century battleship's and is not completely encrusted with statuary and Gothic cathedral elements, and the prow is not so elaborately decorated either.

Ackshually the Chaos fleet's designs are a mix of M36 and homebrews and some old 30k ones.

So I suppose there was a honeymoon period from October 1998 to April 2009 when the Emperor was NOT a fedora-tipping idiot, but the legit god of a dark fantasy Imperium

Yeah, W40k started out with the RAD 90s crowd.

Than came Dawn of War 1 in 2004, and W40k was suddenly a hit with many hardcore gamers. The edgy teens to be later chuds. Many an angry NIGGER was typed in pvp.

GWs faggotry was at first constrained to the pozzed 30k, but bled out slowly and surely to pure "honeymoon" 40k. You also overestimate how fast the books spread. GW began shitting out novels SW EU speeds and shitty quality at that time. Most people couldn't read all as they were shat out.

30k wasn't a core part of the lore nor the tabletop for some time. It was prequels, and had many Jar Jars.

Also lol, Dawkins got the Last Church. I always thought it was supposed to be a big brain tragedy full of irony rather than the Emperor owning the priest, but I even hadn't realised how low IQ gw writers are. Truly they are Filoni's Fellows.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Emperor's religion was always a cult of personality that stole the crusader aesthetic and used it for something metal and badass, not cucked and pozzed like christianity. Like something most dictators used, but him being actually god powered it worked.

''Metal and badass'' usually translates into ''edgy tryhard bullshit written by a teenager who doesn't know what religion or true hardship in life really is.'' Christianity, ironically enough, is far less cucked than it. If you've met a real monk or priest who lives that life and gives up worldly pleasure for something higher, you wouldn't call it cucked or pozzed.

Kinda like how those internet funnies have a white Jesus with roided muscles and uzis.

The fact that they have that shows they're compensating for something. God has no need for muscles or uzis. He just says something, and it happens.

Yeah, W40k started out with the RAD 90s crowd.

No, it obviously started with the 80s crowd. The 90s crowd just came in a decade and a half later. But I suppose the period of 1998-2009 was Warhammer 40K at its best, and that is what you meant to say. On that, we can agree.

Imagine if the Emperor was actually a god, like say, the last of the ''good'' chaos gods while the others fell into evil or died. That should've been the direction they took.

Than came Dawn of War 1 in 2004, and W40k was suddenly a hit with many hardcore gamers. The edgy teens to be later chuds. Many an angry NIGGER was typed in pvp.

That same crowd made Halo and Call of Duty a big hit, and made Xbox a brand that could stand up to Sony and Nintendo. I wonder why game companies are so quick to abandon them. They are a profitable demographic.

GWs faggotry was at first constrained to the pozzed 30k, but bled out slowly and surely to pure "honeymoon" 40k. You also overestimate how fast the books spread. GW began shitting out novels SW EU speeds and shitty quality at that time. Most people couldn't read all as they were shat out.

I suppose, but the lorefans could read the wikis which had small snippets of data from the books, or short summaries of the books. And it's quite obvious that the lorefans and the fans of the tabletop were two different species of fans, otherwise, the Primaris would've been the death knell for 40K's profitability since it broke the lore. Instead, it boosted their stock value.

30k wasn't a core part of the lore nor the tabletop for some time. It was prequels, and had many Jar Jars.

Now I'm imagining the Daemon Primarchs as a gaggle of Darth Jar-Jars wearing the Chaos Primarchs' armor. A truly terrifying sight.

Also lol, Dawkins got the Last Church. I always thought it was supposed to be a big brain tragedy full of irony rather than the Emperor owning the priest, but I even hadn't realised how low IQ gw writers are. Truly they are Filoni's Fellows.

Shit, I'd rate them even below Filoni. Filoni at least writes for kids; that has always been his audience. GW writers try to pretend this shit is mature and for adults, yet the education level for their works is so sub-par they make college dropouts look smart. Literally, since Carl Benjamin/Sargon of Akkad and Kraut and Tea are people on the same level as them, if not higher.

 

[Male Idiot]

Eh, old timey monks were fun. Like old timey 40k. 40ks charm was that it took the best aspects of European or Asiatic cultures. Monks, knights, romans, egyptians etc.

I don't think Filoni writes for kids. He writes for Disney Adults. He may have started writing for kids when the Clone Wars happened, but now he is writing for his own grown up fans and his spank bank and wolf ego.

Sargon of Akkad is likely smarter than 90% of the human race. The average normie is depressingly, extremely dumb and takes every politician at their word. This is not a Sargon W but a Humanity L. Though it is a Kiwifarms massive W, since this forums is for laughing at retards.

 

[The tired cat]

Sargon of Akkad is likely smarter than 90% of the human race. The average normie is depressingly, extremely dumb and takes every politician at their word. This is not a Sargon W but a Humanity L. Though it is a Kiwifarms massive W, since this forums is for laughing at retards.

Saying Sargon is smart is like trying to claim MovieBob has an IQ above 75.

 

[Male Idiot]

For the intellectually challenged. I said smarter than average.

Thanks for proving my point. I did not say he is smart, just that most are even dumber than him.

Putting CWC in charge of non verbal downies doesn't mean he is a genious.

 

[NerdShamer]

Thanks for proving my point. I did not say he is smart, just that most are even dumber than him

Just ignore the guy, he spends an lot of time sniffing his paints while he does his figurines.

 

[The tired cat]

Just ignore the guy, he spends an lot of time sniffing his paints while he does his figurines.

Oh please, glue is cheaper to sniff than paints. An hey, least I can have a hobby an enjoy myself, than complaining like a broken record.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

than complaining like a broken record.

Actually complaining is the real 40k hobby

 

[Logoden]

than complaining like a broken record.

Pot calling the kettle black, eh ?

Than came Dawn of War 1 in 2004, and W40k was suddenly a hit with many hardcore gamers. The edgy teens to be later chuds. Many an angry NIGGER was typed in pvp.

Speaking of DoW 1, if anyone want to replay those with mods, be sure to use a steam version or pirated steam version, preferably with windows xp compatibility mod. I replayed Dark Crusade with Titanium Wars the last few weeks and the GOG version was still bugged both in vanilla and modded, and I was not the sole player having those problems with the GOH version while Steam was fine 95% of the time.

Apart from rare crashes, TW was a blast with titans, previously missing units, new combos and so so many corpses. If anyone want to test it, beware the strongholds, they are much stronger and the AI is much more aggresive.

I do not know if the Soulstorm version is better though, I might try to test TW on it or Apocalyps. Any advice is welcome if anyone had tested any of them on Soulstorm.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't think Filoni writes for kids. He writes for Disney Adults. He may have started writing for kids when the Clone Wars happened, but now he is writing for his own grown up fans and his spank bank and wolf ego.

They're basically children at heart. PM me about this, we can continue there.

Eh, old timey monks were fun. Like old timey 40k. 40ks charm was that it took the best aspects of European or Asiatic cultures. Monks, knights, romans, egyptians etc.

And did very little with them outside of fight an endless war that went nowhere. But I suppose that was the charm.

Sargon of Akkad is likely smarter than 90% of the human race. The average normie is depressingly, extremely dumb and takes every politician at their word. This is not a Sargon W but a Humanity L. Though it is a Kiwifarms massive W, since this forums is for laughing at retards.

Eh, no. The average dodo-brain is smarter than Carl Benjamin. Dude ran for politics after mouthing off so many juicy quotes that could be used against him. I'm sure at least a good 70% of humanity knows not to do that.

Most of what Carl ''knows'', he ripped off from other, better writers like John Locke. To the point where he quoted Locke like a religious authority, for which he was mocked by Richard Spencer.

However, Games Workshop putting him in a 40K book as a bad guy pretty much fills in some reverse schadenfreude for him; he now feels big because he knows that he got to be a pain in the ass for GW, and he revels in it.

Actually complaining is the real 40k hobby

It's been like that for decades thanks to the continuous price hikes.

 

[Male Idiot]

They're basically children at heart. PM me about this, we can continue there.


And did very little with them outside of fight an endless war that went nowhere. But I suppose that was the charm.


Eh, no. The average dodo-brain is smarter than Carl Benjamin. Dude ran for politics after mouthing off so many juicy quotes that could be used against him. I'm sure at least a good 70% of humanity knows not to do that.


It's been like that for decades thanks to the continuous price hikes.

Or we can shit on Furloni in the SW thread.

Was part of the charm, yeah.

I would say you need to touch grass and interact more with the common idiot, but I don't want to inflict needless suffering on you. Trust me on this normies are decidedly unsmart. Biden got at least of the third of the vote legitimately.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Or we can shit on Furloni in the SW thread.

I was just doing that several hours ago. But yeah.

Was part of the charm, yeah.

I suppose so. The story moving forward in 8th edition pissed off a lot of people, I seem to recall.

I would say you need to touch grass and interact more with the common idiot, but I don't want to inflict needless suffering on you. Trust me on this normies are decidedly unsmart. Biden got at least of the third of the vote legitimately.

No, most of the normies I know at least have enough social awareness not to put themselves into the public limelight after saying pearls of wisdom like ''I wouldn't even rape you'' or ''it depends on the child''. Seriously, watch the Dame Pesos and Mr. Metokur videos on Carl, they are a barrel of laughs.

But like I said, 40K officially making Carl Benjamin a character gave him an ego boost like no other. Now he knows he's gotten to GW's BL authors, and he loves it. Now that's the kind of attention he can profit off from, instead of the attention he once had where he had more than two police investigations going after him because of his big, fat mouth getting him in trouble.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Cmon lets be honest 40k stuff online is like 60 to 40 to actual table top and lore autists at this point. I didnt want to be *that* faggot but did you not see the amount of guys who came into this thread when female custodes dropped? Where are they now? Gone to the next drama leaving us with the axe wound. I blame youtube, lore used to be a gate keeping tool "oh its to much to read" and here comes the loretubers to summarize everything for people. Its why I hate people like Arch he brags about gatekeeping but he was the one who unlocked them.

Here is a Cataphracti White Scar I made a couple months

My favorite part of the hobby is building and painting. My second favorite is gaming.

Spoiler: My rant on loretubers

The reason I’m not keen on a lot of the loretubers is because they’re symptomatic of GW moving away from custom armies that were prevalent in my favorite editions of 40K (3rd - 5th). Essentially I feel that with 7th - 10th GW has heavily discouraged custom chapters, war bands, etc. You still can see some unique armies out there but they’re a lot less common. To be fair it’s largely the fault of copyright law and the chapterhouse failsuit.

What annoys me about them is that they essentially were pushing for GW to make Warhammer more like a historical war game instead of a sandbox. GW has steadily been making models monopose and have been giving them less options and often would use lore adherence as a justification. Previously there were cool rules for customizing your own chapter, warband, and codices had “armories” in which you could heavily customize your leaders.

As GW removed a lot of the customization with armies it felt like they were trying to appeal to lore fans first and foremost by enforcing people to play one of the main chapters and actively punishing successor chapters in the rules as well as reducing customization. In terms of gaming GW has been getting rid of choice and in 10th essentially killed off points by baking war gear into the price of a unit. They’ve also been canning entire armies, units, and characters from both major games. You barely hear a peep from many of these YouTube activists unless it’s something that can be associated with social justice.

I’ve been thinking about it… and the other reason that I’m not a fan of arch and similar YouTubers is they helped bring about the culture wars because they want content to farm. They would not only discuss lore but arch in particular can’t help but mix it with politics. He tried to separate the two but couldn’t. They brought stigma online that the hobby was a Nazi club. A lot of them would dunk on Star Wars and Star Trek as cuck settings unlike le based Warhammer. Which wasn’t fully true.

Essentially they painted a target on the hobby. Arch I think is just autistic but the quartering and others like him were actively trying to will warhammergate into existence for views, likes, and clicks for years. A lot of youtubers like the quartering are the worse because they don’t even know much about the lore and get things completely wrong. Not just with pronunciation but basic facts.

Arch isn’t guiltless of trying to stir the pot. He tried whining about the black ultramarine but it was a nothingburger and for most felt like he was grasping at straws.

I also feel they created a bubble and false sense of security about it being a conservative safe space. I started with 3rd edition and at the time my game group was probably split right down the middle on politics. About half were very conservative and the other half were very progressive. The gaming side I’d say leaned conservative but the art side certainly skewed left. But if you believed what people said online it was dominated purely by conservatives. In every store I’ve been in there’s always been a split even in highly progressive and highly conservative regions. Which is why I think it’s stupid for GW to get involved in the culture wars. The only winning move is to not get involved. It’s an easy content farm for cultural warriors but it comes at the expense of the hobby.

Also there’s a decent number of gamers who don’t care about the lore. They’ll often switch to whatever the meta list is and some of these guys are very ignorant of the lore. One of the funniest interactions I saw was between a lore fan who rarely played and this guy who just bought Iron Hands because it was the cheesy meta at the time. The lore guy was basically lecturing the gamer who just didn’t give a fuck. You could just see his eyes glazing over as the lore enthusiast was ranting about Fulgrims relationship with Ferrus.

So, while you guys pontificate about "Ze goom is comin guyz" moments, anyone got any suggestions what I can do with some remaining Imperial Guard weapons, specially since I also have lots of Ork stuff on me.

Make them into the orkperium. It might require some green stuff

 

[ChampFantana]

Is there anything left that's even worth supporting? All Western media franchises suck dick. Literally.

Just about anything written by Larry Correia is not only excellent, but refreshingly free of any retarded Current Year faggotry.

In fact, many of the writers published by Baen have similar quality of output.